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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Tuesday, 26 June 2007 | My partner and I agree. We were in the outer ring of stones, having got there at 8:30pm - and we were tripped over, propositioned, and generally devastated to see the way this sacred site was being treated. ...and that trumpeter playing "Away in a Manger"....and the theme to "Rocky"....PLEASE NO MORE !!! Have respect for people's faith. Ban the party animals and have a ticket-only event for those who are genuine Pagan. ESPECIALLY in the inner and outer circle of stones.....and LIMIT the numbers allowed into the stones themselves to the ticketed few.
We am heartily sorry you and your daughter were treated in this way. Believe me, not all us Britons are the same. I apologise on behalf of the whole of this ancient land, my forefathers and those to come. |
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Tuesday, 26 June 2007 | Hahaha you sound like a christian ! save stonehenge solstice for the ticketed pagan few ! ? ! yeh right !
perhaps you shouldn't have bothered attending the celebration if the sight of people enjoying themselves is such a problem for you |
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Wednesday, 27 June 2007 | How dare you insult me.
I am Pagan, not christian. Litha is sacred to me. So are the Stones of Stonehenge. Thankfully for you I can rise above comments like these. Frankly I don't think you can care about anything or anyone but your selfish little ego. I hope one day you see the errors of your ways and start to care more for the sanctity of spirit than you do now and start to respect the faith of others even if you do not share our views.
Note - the people who built this amazing temple (yes, it IS a temple and therefore holy space to many people) had more spirit and reverence than you. (and more B lls too). |
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Wednesday, 27 June 2007 | hehehe - no change in your tone then ! what an authority complex ! seems i have the pagan faithful spitting feathers at the mere suggestion that everyone has exactly the same right as everyone else to celebrate the solstice at this ancient site.
Project what you like onto the place. Why you have decided to attack me personally is beyond me. From where i'm standing, stonehenge has nothing to do with faith or religeon.
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Wednesday, 27 June 2007 | Actually, I believe that everyone should join in the celebration. The turning of the wheel of the year affects everyone and so everyone should feel free to celebrate the shortest night of the year.
The problems come when that celebration becomes a disgusting free-for-all. That's when certain sections of those in attendance prove they can't be trusted, and that is when people start looking for ways to prevent the untrustworthy sections from causing more harm.
Nobody should have to tolerate the desecration of part of our nation's heritage - even if you can't see the religious significance, you must be able to see that the site is part of Britain's history. It has been nominated as one of the new 7 Wonders of the World, for goodness sake!
I know, let's go to the Kabba and throw up all over it. Or how about a little graffiti in the Pyramids? Let's go smoke a little pot in St Paul's Cathedral, or maybe go pee in the Ganges? If you don't want to travel too far, just go to your...
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Wednesday, 27 June 2007 | From my point of view, the stonehenge solstice is a wonderful celebration, from yours it is a disgusting free for all.
I don't see any harm being offered to the site itself, for goodness sake, these rocks have been standing there for thousands of years, what difference is a bit of wee or vomit going to make ?
(although in my opinion both these bodily offerings can be highly spiritual in nature..) |
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Wednesday, 27 June 2007 | Maybe you weren't actually crammed into the stone circle, or being asked for/offered drugs, being fallen over or groped. Maybe you weren't being insulted by someone you'd never met about your physical appearance or personal beliefs. If so, you were one of the lucky ones, and I wish my night had been similar.
If you were one of the lovely, peaceful people I saw sitting around on a blanket, sharing a pair of headphones with a friend or two and passing a bag of crisps around while having a giggle and a quiet slurp of wine out of a plastic bottle, then I have no beef with you. If you were one of the people surrounding me as I wiggled in to the centre to join in with their dancing, then wasn't it fun, and didn't those drummers keep going for a long time? Hey, join the party next year!
In case you didn't read the leaflet you were given with your plastic trash bag, the stones were not supposed to be stood on. Two of the stones have actually fallen over in the past from hordes of...
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Wednesday, 27 June 2007 | There are always going to be displayed what you describe as 'anti-social' attitudes at any such large gathering while social anonymity remains.
you get the same behaviour on any high street of any UK town on a weekend. alchohol is usually the catalyst.
Your original post was, although containing some elements of fact, in my opinion, sensationalist drivel.
Suggest you get on and enjoy the managed access for all.
not just you and your mates. |
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Wednesday, 27 June 2007 | I am not actually the "original-original" poster, just someone who can sympathise with this woman and her daughter's bad experience.
You're entirely right, alcohol is the catalyst for so many people's stupid, selfish and immature behaviour everywhere. Yob culture is becoming too hard to fight, and it is very depressing for anyone with even a shred of decency left.
I reckon they're mostly kids, about 18-21, still learning their limits with alcohol and drugs and trying to find their feet. Don't worry, it happens to everyone, and I do realise that these kids celebrating their university graduation at Stonehenge will grow out of it.
My younger brother came home recently from a night out with his tooth snapped in half - an adult tooth that is not salvageable. Up until that happened, he was also like that: convinced that the binge-drinking, drug-taking, "this is normal and if you say anything different, you're a sad act" culture was right and normal.
I don't worry too much...
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Tuesday, 26 June 2007 | If that's people's idea of enjoying themselves... well, I worry for my generation. I'm 20 and have more sense than some of my peers seem to have in their big toes.
Listen up, kids. The Solstice is a religious holiday, and there is no getting away from it. These people who see the access as a big frat party should go find a local nightclub and celebrate there. They can have all the alcohol and drugs they want and "enjoy" themselves until their livers give out!
Yes, I am being patronising and sarcastic for a reason. It's mostly childish behaviour, which I think might be on the same wavelength as the people who ruined my religious celebration.
Now, I'm going to switch off the computer and go read a nice book.
Bright Blessings,
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Tuesday, 26 June 2007 | Thank goodness I'm not the only one to vent my frustrations on the web! I think I'm hoping that if lots of us do it, someone might take notice. Wishful thinking, most likely.
I spent the whole night being tripped over by drunk people, overhearing the horrible comments you mentioned, putting up with some truly horrendous trumpet playing, idiots shouting and generally fearing for my safety. Being asked if I had any ketamine by a particularly dead-eyed teenage boy was, I think, the most memorable bit of the night after the fantastic opening ceremony (props to the team - excellent job at leading group ritual-phobic people like myself!).
Frankly, I gave up when the people who had slept in their cars overnight swarmed into the stone circle. They just kept on coming. I remember at one point muttering "Oh, gods, there's just more and more of them... surely the people in charge realise this is getting dangerous?" But no, there was no control over the flood of people trying to get in. I...
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Wednesday, 27 June 2007 | beakerspeaker writes:
This diatribe is a copy and manipulation of a letter posted in the
North Wiltshire and Kennet Gazette and Herald on the 22/6/07 apart
from the last line
This year was even worse..and I have photo's and video footage as
proof.
http://www.gazetteandherald.co.uk/display.var.1491339.0.0.php#comment
s_form
No doubt this person has already sent her comments to EH as she did
last year and no doubt every newspaper in wilts not forgetting the
daily mail and Gordon Brown. She has every right to express her
opinion along with other similar confectioned articles from very
radical right wing sounding pagans or even mildly conservative ones
but she and they represent a small and as we see here overtly over
represented vocal minority of the overall evaluation and enjoyment
of the attendees at the open access 2007.
I support the pagans who wish to enjoy the solstice and respect them
for their tolerance and good spirit despite the stupid and
i...
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Thursday, 28 June 2007 | I suppose the reason some of it was cut-and-pasted was because the writer felt the behaviour this year was as abysmal as last. I agree. I was there and witnessed most of the same disrespectful and personal abusive comments and behaviour. (Aimed at my friends and me too).
The fact this kind of behaviour happens in any town on a Friday and Saturday night does not make it acceptable - ESPECIALLY in another faith's temple. (It IS a temple to the pagan faithful and therefore should not be desecrated).
Let us respect our heritage, other people's faiths and each other.
btw please don't call the views of others you happen to disagree with "propoganda"(sic). Propaganda is written with a view to political ends. They were just expressing their opinions, to which they are very entitled in a free democratic world that allows you to discuss important subjects dear to peoples' hearts like this.
Love-and-Light
btw urine and vomit contain acid that DOES erode rock structures over...
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Thursday, 28 June 2007 | *shrugs lightly* I guess my naturally strong writing style is because I'm a professional writer/journalist! Hehe, a Pagan journalist, now there's something you don't see every day!
I actually have no political affiliation. At all. Which is also rare for a journalist, but there you go. To me, politics is just a load of rich men sitting around comparing nuke buttons. If anything, I am a paid-up member of the Let's Have Common Sense and Respect Each Other and the Environment party.
Well, technically I'm a soon-to-be journalism student, but I've done semi-pro in the past. I just took two years out of the education system... confused? You would be, if you were in my shoes!
I didn't know about the ghetto blaster thing, probably because I was stuffed up in about 1ft square of space inside the stones. Live music at the event would be great - they could put thick tents or something up around the area where the food thingies were. Lots of Celtic music and so forth. That might satisfy...
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Monday, 03 March 2008 | I am doing a reseach paper so I need eyewitness acounts good and bad for school 8th grade please reply
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| Re: Stonehenge Summer Solstice Spiral Meditation by Anonymous on Thursday, 15 May 2008 | I know exactly how you feel. This was my first solstice at stonehenge and i was so disapointed i felt like crying. So many people were there just to party and get wasted. I saw people rolling around on the floor with coke all over their faces and people doing coke openly infront of stewards. There was so much drugs and alcohol there it ruins the sacredness of the event.
Some drunk guy also tried to start a fight with me because i have a pentacle tattooed on my back. he said "why have u got that pentangle you probably don't even know what it means!"
I'm just shocked this is what our contry is coming to. Decmating sacred events! |
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