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Circle in Germany Oldest Observatory, Linked to Nebra Disc Saxony

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Nebra skydisk submitted by Andy B : As of March 2002 The State Museum for Prehistory (Landesmuseum für Vorgeschichte) in Halle, Germany, has been in possession of a bronze disc, which may prove to be one of the most significant finds in early European history. It has a diameter of 32 cm and a weight of 2 kg. The disc has an official name:"Himmelsscheibe von Nebra" and was found here. (Vote or comment on this photo)
Archaeologists have Uneartherathed what they eblieve to be a German Stonehenge. German experts on Thursday hailed Europe's oldest astronomical observatory, discovered in Saxony-Anhalt last year, a milestone in archaeological research after the details of the sensational find were made public. The sleepy town of Goseck, nestled in the district of Weissenfels in the eastern German state of Saxony-Anhalt shimmers under the brutal summer heat, as residents seek respite in the shade.

Nothing in this slumbering locale indicates that one of the most significant archaeological discoveries of all times was made here. But this is indeed exactly where archaeologists digging in the region last September stumbled upon what they believe is Europe's oldest astronomical observatory ever unearthed.

On Thursday, German experts toasted the discovery as a "milestone in archaeological research" as details of the find were made public. State archaeologist Harald Meller said the site, which is believed to be a monument of ancient cult worship, provided the first insights into the spiritual and religious world of Europe's earliest farmers. Francois Bertemes of the university of Halle-Wittenberg estimated the site to be around 7,000 years old. He described its significance as "one of the oldest holy sites" discovered in Central Europe.

Through carbon dating of two arrow heads and animal bones found within the site's circular compounds, archaeologists have been able to determine the date of the site's origins. They say that with all likelihood it can be traced back to the period between 5000 and 4800 B.C. If that is the case, it would make the Goseck site the oldest-dated astronomical observatory in Europe.

Observatory had scientific and religious value

But it's not just its age that makes the Goseck location so unusual. Compared to the approximately 200 other similar prehistoric mound sites strewn throughout Europe, the Goseck site has striking deviations. Instead of the usual four gates leading into the circular compounds, the Goseck monument has just three. The walled-compound also consists of an unusual formation of concentric rings of man-high wooden palisades. The rings and the gates into the inner circles become narrower as one progresses to the center, indicating perhaps that only a few people could enter the inner-most ring.

Wolfhard Schlosser of the Ruhr University Bochum believes the site's unique construction indicates that it is indeed one of the earliest examples of an astrological observatory.

Schlosser, a specialist in astro-archeology, says the southern gates marked the sunrise and sunset of the winter and summer solstice and enabled the early Europeans to determine with accuracy the course of the sun as it moved across the heavens. Schlosser is convinced the site was constructed for the observation of astronomical phenomena such as the movements of the sun, moon and stars, and for keeping track of time. These celestial cycles would have been important for the sowing and harvesting of crops in the early civilization.

But, Goseck isn't merely a "calendar construction," Schlosser explains, "but rather is clearly a sacred building." Archeologists have found plenty of evidence to prove that Goseck was a place of prehistoric cult worship. The arrangement of human bones, for instance, is atypical of burial sites, and telltale cut marks on them indicate that human sacrifice was practiced at the site.

Bertemes says it is not uncommon for such astronomical observatories to function as places of worship and centers of religious and social life.

The Goseck site, erected by the earliest farming communities between the Stone and Bronze Age, came 3,000 years before the last construction phase of the megaliths of Stonehenge in Great Britain.

Links between Nebra disc and observatory

Experts are also drawing parallels between the Goseck mounds and another equally spectacular discovery made in the region. "The formation of the site, its orientation and the marking of the winter and summer solstice shows similarities to the world-famous Nebra disc, though the disc was created 2,400 years later," Schlosser says.

The 3,600-year-old bronze Nebra disc was discovered just 25 kilometers away from Goseck in the wooded region of Nebra and is considered to be the oldest concrete representation of the cosmos. The 32-centimeter disc is decorated with gold leaf symbols that clearly represent the sun, moon and starts. A cluster of seven dots has been interpreted as the Pleiades constellation as it appeared 3,600 years ago. Schlosser believes the formations on the disc were based on previous astrological observations, which could possibly have been made at Goseck.

Archeologists are certain the observatory with its function of tracking time played a crucial role in a society dominated by the changing seasons. They theorize that both the Goseck observatory and the Nebra disc indicate that astronomical knowledge was tied to a mythological-cosmological world view right from the beginning.

A Mecca for archeologists

Archaeologists first took note of the location of the Goseck site after aerial images taken in 1991 showed geometrically arranged earth mounds. But it wasn't until last year that excavation actually got underway. Because the site is being used as learning material for students at the University of Halle-Wittenberg, it is only open for excavation for a limited number of weeks in the year. Next year a group of students from the University of California at Berkley will have a chance to dig in the site.

Rüdiger Erben, district administrator of Weissenfels, believes the discovery of the Goseck observatory will probably result in some rather unscientific possibilities. He says he could imagine the site turning into a "Mecca for hobby archaeologists and astronomers."

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Re: German palisaded enclosure could be oldest observatory by Izozo on Friday, 03 January 2025
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“The Sky Disc was discovered in 1999 on the Mittelberg hill near Nebra, Germany, by treasure hunters Henry Westphal and Mario Renner. Found alongside bronze swords, axes, a chisel, and spiral armbands, the artifact was sold to private dealers before being recovered in 2002 through a police sting operation. “

In other words there is no proof of the place where the disc was found. Would a treasure hunter tell his secret place of fortune????

There is no proof that the disk was found alongside the above mentioned objects that would serve the proof of the age of the disc. And because of it, nobody knows and nobody can determine its age.

If its age and place is unclear, why anybody would give importance to the position of the Pleiades in eastern Germany in March and October of 1600 BC???? Because of the 7 stars next to moon in the disc?! And what about the other 25 stars?? Altogether 32 stars. Guess what? 32 days must elapse from the new light of the month preceding the spring month until the moon stands next to the Pleiades. Exactly 32 stars are shown on the disk…. (If you change the numbers: 23: The number 23 film with Jim Carrey is nothing to this scientific calculation).

The center of the disc is just below the crossing point of the lines connecting the opposite ends of the two horizon arks. The upper angle is 5-6 degrees less than the lower angle. This discrepancy represents the difference that people had observed between sunrise and sunset. As simple as prehistoric Europe.

But: the ship on the horizon is the only element in the depiction of the heavens on the disc that the astronomers could not plausibly interpret. We can not explain this gold sheet as any celestial phenomenon. By its shape and decoration we can interpret it as a ship, as a mythical sky-boat. A mythical Nebra Sky Boat. Yes, we can. And here is the solution: one of the depictions of a ship in the grave of Sennefer, mayor of Thebes in Egypt. Its banana shape and plank construction recall the sky-ship on the Nebra disc. 15th century BC. So:
-Sennefer visited Nebra
-somebody from Nebra visited Sennefer
-they have met half way (if they did not travel with sky-ship). Ship ship hurray!

If you don’t like the ship story, go to Nebra Sky Museum’s planetarium. Here they will explain that the two curves on the disc are nothing else than the movement of the sun )(. If we position them correctly on the disk, they crossing point is Magdeburg (if I remember well the name of the city).

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nebra disc by Anonymous on Monday, 25 February 2008
The notion of a sky disc being attached to something is not new. At around the same time the Ancient Egyptians also had sky discs with holes round the endge so that they could be attached to the torso of the
praactitioner in the belief that the warmth of the body transmitted to the disc and therefore enabled the disc wearer to penetrate darkness without light. This was a common practice in the most secret parts of the temple.
tsotan.
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Re: German palisaded enclosure could be oldest observatory by Anonymous on Saturday, 01 January 2005
the disk looks more like the moon with the craters, slightly, but i'm sure that over time, the moon has changed a bit, so the disk doesn't look exactly how the moon looks today.
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German palisaded enclosure could be oldest observatory by Andy B on Wednesday, 17 December 2003
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German "Stonehenge" marks oldest observatory. A vast, shadowy circle sits in a flat wheat field near Goseck, Germany. No, it is not a pattern made by tipsy graduate students. The circle represents the remains of the world's oldest observatory, dating back 7,000 years.

Coupled with an etched disk recovered last year, the observatory suggests that Neolithic and Bronze Age people measured the heavens far earlier and more accurately than scientists had imagined.

Archaeologists reported the Goseck circle's identity and age this past August. First spotted by airplane, the circle is 75 meters wide. Originally, it consisted of four concentric circles--a mound, a ditch and two wooden palisades about the height of a person--in which stood three sets of gates facing southeast, southwest and north, respectively. On the winter solstice, someone at the center of the circles would see the sun rise and set through the southern gates.

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