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Submitted by aluta on Wednesday, 09 November 2005  Page Views: 23718

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Secret Mountain submitted by partlow : Stone 1 Sunset during February The Secret Mountain Site in the southeastern U.S., where Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee join, is a megalithic site of several acres on the side of a mountain that is still under study. The Stones show signs of weathering from possible glacier melt which could only have occured after erection. More details are forthcoming. (Vote or comment on this photo)
"Ice Age Columbus" was recently shown on public service television in the US and has been screened also in Britain. Evidence was advanced to suggest that North America was populated from Europe at a date earlier than the Bering land bridge. I don't know how widely accepted this is in archaeological circles, but some academics were shown arguing for the conclusion. Computer models showed an ice sheet across the north Atlantic for the duration of one of the ice ages, and one of those corny re-enactments showed people being forced by the elements to cross from France to the New World. The Haploid X connection with the Ojibway was discussed, and the conclusion was that by the time of the real Columbus, the people of the Americas were a racially mixed bag.

My favorite statement came near the end. The scientist said that traffic may not have gone only one way. People could have been going back and forth for a thousand years, he said.

Funny, that's close to what one of the Lenape descendants said to me years ago, the day I met him: "Why do they think the boats only went one way? Maybe people went both ways . . . "

Slow-moving as it was, the show offered a new look that challenged the orthodox Clovis First viewpoint that seemed so immovable for so long.

At the same time, I found this summation of a talk to be given at an archaeology conference this coming weekend:

>>Curtiss Hoffman, Organizer (Bridgewater State College)

Session: Stone Piles, Sacred Places, and Stuck Paradigms: A Reevaluation of the Evidence

The subject of stone piles and other stone constructions has been fraught with controversy throughout the history of New England archaeology. Early investigators tended to offer fanciful explanations for these constructions, often involving diffusion of pre-Columbian European explorers, and they sometimes liberally reconstructed sites to match their theories. These investigators were often untrained in academic archaeology, conducted unsystematic excavations, and tended to adopt and perpetuate theories of the racial superiority of Europeans which were antiquated even in their day. For these reasons, most of the small community of professional archaeologists in the region during the mid-20th century adopted a determinedly negative attitude towards not only the amateur researchers, but also the objects of their research. Stone walls, stone piles, stone chambers, and the like were simply not considered appropriate subjects of research – they were all assumed without question to be of post-Contact Euro-American origin. Since these professionals also were responsible for the training of the next two generations of archaeologists, these negative attitudes endure in some quarters of the regional academically trained archaeological community to the present. Many professional archaeologists are convinced that stone construction was the exclusive province of Euro-American farmers – whether for field clearance, wall construction, or farm beautification. This became the prevailing attitude at state historic preservation offices, often with negative consequences for site preservation, as development has continued to encroach into the upland areas of the region.

However, in recent years there has been a spate of discoveries of large, spectacular stone pile sites throughout the Northeast which do not appear to satisfy expectations for the three hypotheses above. Alternative explanations have tended to focus on archaeoastronomical alignments, again frequently meeting the scorn of professional archaeologists. And there the debate might have remained, had not the Native American community taken an active interest in preserving these sites, some of which they consider sacred places. More than any other factor, this has forced archaeologists to begin to reevaluate these sites and to discover creative new ways to study them, and to preserve them. This panel represents a joint effort undertaken in the town of Carlisle by its presenters, representing, respectively, local preservation planning, the Native community, and. professional archaeology. This cooperation is unique in the region for the study of these sites, and we hope that it provides a model for future endeavors of this sort.

It's been a long slog for people who have embraced certain points of view, but maybe their hour is coming round at last. I applaud those of the archaeological community for being able to look at and consider things beyond their old paradigms. The next decade should be interesting.

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Re: Ice Age Columbus by Anonymous on Thursday, 02 February 2012
What about the cave that had the pottery that was from France? Can anybody show me where to find that documentary? I saw it on cable a few years ago but haven't seen it since.
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Re: Ice Age Columbus by Anonymous on Tuesday, 09 September 2008
Hello , Hello , anyone there? on CyberEarth?

Am researching a large megalithic semicircle that may have been destroyed in the 1950's or 60's .. located near Healey's Cove in Newfoundland Canada , near Conception Bay ...
Any thoughts, suggestions for further resaerch , or interest- most welcomed by
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Re: Ice Age Columbus by Anonymous on Wednesday, 31 January 2007
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No evidence? Would you consider the Wind Over people evidence? They not only had bog skelton mummies but also preserved brain content and were able to get DNA samples. In the context that all American Indians came over the Bering Land Straight they were not open to any other answers to their origins.

The DNA of the Wind Over People came out to be Eropean. I'm sorry I should mention the Wind Over People are dated to 12,000 years ago in Florida. The DNA tested Eropean. The scientists shrugged it off that that simply would not be possible and the DNA must have been contaminated. No retesting or further testing has been done.

There have been other cases of finds and the American Indians usually will not allow their dead to be examined. I am part American Indian and I do realize that there are extreme differences in facial patterns within the American Inidian Nations. To me the Cherokee look more Eropean then American Indian Sterotype.
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    Re: Ice Age Columbus by Anonymous on Thursday, 04 March 2010
    Gotta be picky about these things, otherwise we just spread misinformation - The Windover bog people date from around 7,000 years ago, not 12,000.

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    Rupert Soskin
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Re: Ice Age Columbus by Anonymous on Thursday, 28 September 2006
The article is an intresting debate. It is very possible that this could have taken place because we yet don't know truly about early europeans and if there were traces they could have been destoryed by ice. Not only is much not known about prehistoric languges either before latin was entered in to the mix. not to mention the time frame.
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Re: Ice Age Columbus by Anonymous on Tuesday, 02 May 2006
There's some problems with 'Ice Age Columbus'. The evidence doesn't support 'Europeans' in the Continental U.S. until historical times; although the stone structures in the Northeast are very interesting and are probably very old, they are most likely Indian in origin.

* American Indians (Adena, Hopewell and various other prehistoric peoples) were known to create piles of stone, walls, walkways, burial vaults, etc, etc in stone. Some of the oldest of these were created by the Maritime Archaic cultures of Newfoundland some are 7,000 years old or more. Some standing stones were used for navigation are were found as far away as Florida.

* There's a Asian variant of Haploid X, including the European one. American Indians posess the Asian variant.

* No skeletal evidence has ever been found of Europeans, nor any traces to the languages found in the Americas.

* As for peoples moving from France to the New World, very doubtful. These weren't sheets of ice, but giant glaciers for...

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    Re: Ice Age Columbus by Thorgrim on Tuesday, 02 May 2006
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    Kennewick Man could be just the proof needed. See here and here

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    Re: Ice Age Columbus by Anonymous on Monday, 15 May 2006
    In my opinion, and it is only opinion, it is likely that the people we call Indians are a mix of many backgrounds. I am not saying that the Indians did not build the sites, and anyone who reads my articles would know that. I always make a point of asserting the indigenous origins of the sites.

    What I am saying here is that the Indians are not an unmixed population all of whose ancestors came over the Bering land bridge--that European, Polynesian and perhaps African blood, the last especially in South America--may have mingled in the New World. Kennewick man, for example, may be among the ancestors of some native people. This does not make them not Indian--it redefines what we mean by Indian.

    It is a fact that early written descriptions of people met by Europeans on the east coast of North America differ from descriptions of people met further inland. It would not surprise me to learn that northern people around the world share some genetics, as it seems there are common factors...

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      Re: Ice Age Columbus by Anonymous on Monday, 15 May 2006
      That last anonymous was me, aluta. Didn't realize I wasn't signed in.
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      Re: Ice Age Columbus by Thorgrim on Monday, 15 May 2006
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      Very well put, Aluta. I entirely agree. The mixed races/origins idea is surely the most likely. It would also explain, for example, the negroid features on those huge Olmec carvings in Mexico.
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    Re: Ice Age Columbus by Anonymous on Saturday, 03 July 2010
    "No skeletal evidence has ever been found of Europeans, nor any traces to the languages" I would suggest That the writer reviews "Prehistoric West Virginia" and the work of Robert Pyle, who paid for DNA research out his own pocket, on skeletal remains which were found to be of pre-Columbian European origin. Also the site work he conducted proving the use of Ogham in a West Virginia cave. Of course, he will have detractors, ignoring the fact that he has been consulted by various law enforcement agencies for his forensic skills. in any case the proof is there, detractors or not.
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Re: Ice Age Columbus by Partlow on Thursday, 10 November 2005
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Couldn't have said it better than the article.
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Re: Ice Age Columbus by TheCaptain on Wednesday, 09 November 2005
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interesting article. Thanks Aluta.
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Re: Ice Age Columbus by Thorgrim on Wednesday, 09 November 2005
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More on this fascinating issue here with a summary of the programme
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