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Neolithic and Bronze AgeSite Name: Barbrook Cupmarked Stone
Country: England County: Derbyshire Type: Standing Stone (Menhir)

Map Ref: SK27647560
Latitude: 53.276666N  Longitude: 1.586958W
Condition:
5Perfect
4Almost Perfect
3Reasonable but with some damage
2Ruined but still recognisable as an ancient site
1Pretty much destroyed, possibly visible as crop marks
0No data.
-1Completely destroyed
 5 Ambience:
5Superb
4Good
3Ordinary
2Not Good
1Awful
0No data.
 5 Access:
5Can be driven to, probably with disabled access
4Short walk on a footpath
3Requiring a bit more of a walk
2A long walk
1In the middle of nowhere, a nightmare to find
0No data.
 3 Accuracy:
5co-ordinates taken by GPS or official recorded co-ordinates
4co-ordinates scaled from a detailed map
3co-ordinates scaled from a bad map
2co-ordinates of the nearest village
1co-ordinates of the nearest town
0no data
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Barbrook Cupmarked Stone
Barbrook Cupmarked Stone submitted by charlton : Barbrook and what appears to be a Cupmarked standing stone. This is close to the Barbrook and Barbrook 1 Stone circle and cairn. (Vote or comment on this photo)
What appears to be a Cupmarked Stone on a downslope in front of the Barbrook.

Rich32 says: They're almost certainly bullet impacts rather than prehistoric cup marks. All the markings seem to have secondary irregular fracturing (spalling) around a deeper depression. I've surveyed rock art for EH/HE on MOD firing ranges and these markings are typical of the type caused by projectiles.
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Barbrook Cupmarked Stone
Barbrook Cupmarked Stone submitted by Mireille : Bullet scarred stones very near Swine Sty and 100 yards from the Barbrook "cup marked" stone. Both show a similar pattern. (Vote or comment on this photo)

Barbrook Cupmarked Stone
Barbrook Cupmarked Stone submitted by charlton : Barbrook Cupmarked standing stone from a slightly different angle. (5 comments - Vote or comment on this photo)

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SK2775 : View from track above Bar Brook by Andrew Hill
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SK2775 : Barbrook Moor Stone Circle by Mark Kelly
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Re: Barbrook Cupmarked Stone by Mireille on Thursday, 09 July 2020
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Stewart Ainsworth (RCHME) and John Barnatt (PDNPA), on pages 66 and 67, in their paper “AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL SURVEY OF THE LANDSCAPE ON BIG MOOR AND RAMSLEY MOOR, BASLOW AND HOLMESFIELD, DERBYSHIRE (Scheduled Ancient Monument 136), 1998.” state “It is known locally that the Eastern Moors, including Big Moor, Rarnsley Moor, Gardom's Edge (RCHME and PPJPB 1993) and Gibbet Moor (RCHME 1990), were used by the US Airborne Division for training in World War II. This is said locally to have occurred on two separate occasions, one of which was just before their action at Arnhem” and “evidence for military activity is scarring on rocks where they have been hit by bullets and mortars. Usually the scars comprise irregular and somewhat angular 'cup-marks’: usually 5-10cm across, which pepper upstanding rocks. It is likely these have normally been created by bullets, although shrapnel from mortars may well have caused some of the scarring”.

Looking at this stone carefully myself, and comparing the marks on it with those on nearby rocks including an 18thC packhorse trail marker post, I am convinced that this is not prehistoric rock art, but a prominent stone used as target practice in 1944.
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Re: Barbrook Cupmarked Stone by Catrinm on Saturday, 17 November 2018
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I think they may be genuine. On One of the other definite bullet damaged stones in the area the damage looks very different to this. It’s also not in a very obvious position to practice on being on a steep slope. Just my opinion.
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Re: Barbrook Cupmarked Stone by vagabond67 on Wednesday, 22 August 2018
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After much speed reading of books. I think these markings are from artillery shells and rifle bullets. From the book The Peak District Landscapes Through Time by John Barnatt and Ken Smith. 2004. On page 9 is a map showing 1939-45 artillery platforms on Gardom's Edge. On page 130 is a picture of a rock outcrop near Swine Sty indicating Motar fragmentation damage. These outcrops and standing stones was used by the American Airborne Division and the Home Guard for practice.
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    Re: Barbrook Cupmarked Stone by Martin_L on Thursday, 23 August 2018
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    Thank you very much for providing the detailed information. The photos already suggested, that the markings on this outcrop are no genuine prehistoric cupmarks.
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