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<< Feature Articles >> Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm Parts 2 and 3

Submitted by Andy B on Monday, 18 July 2011  Page Views: 6212

Iron Age and Later PrehistoryCountry: Wales County: Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy) Type: Hillfort

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Gray Hill summit cairn
Gray Hill summit cairn submitted by TheCaptain : Grey Hill or Gray Hill, Monmouthshire. Cairn atop hill at ST434936 Right on the top of the hill, with spectacular views all around is the remains of an ancient, but well worn cairn. I could have been imagining it, but did this cairn once have a kerbed ring around it, and some internal structures ? (Vote or comment on this photo)
Parts 2 and 3 of Harry Sivertsen's article.
Part 2 - Additional connections to the Pleiades layout in South Gwent, and
Part 3 - Normans:-Castles and Churches.
The theme in this article is connection and continuity. We have seen the use of the Pleiades and standing stones in conjunction with the hills Twmbarlwm and Gray Hill in part 1 which we have dated to circa 2500BC. Here we extend the associations.

Gray Hill

The line of vision of Pleiades rise from Twmbarlwm passes beyond the western end of Gray Hill where, at the top of the steep slope to the reservoir, a cairn or at least a large mound was erected, almost certainly in conjunction with this Pleiades set up whether used for burial or not. Further along this line is found the precisely placed top stone of a solar arrangement. The lowest stone here is adjacent to what is marked on the OS maps as a stone circle but which appears to be the remnants of a kerbed cairn with its internal diameter being 11 of Alexander Thom’s megalithic yards and its external diameter 12 of the same units. Kerb thickness is therefore seen as approximately 1.36 feet.

Dating here is problematic; however, the relevant top stone of the alignment is exactly on the line to Twmbarlwm, the Pleiades line of 2500 BC. This is very unlikely to be coincidence. Again, the Pleiades alignment from Twmbarlwm gives the elevation of the stone on the hill side but this stone is not dependent upon the Pleiades line for its lateral position along the hill. It is nonetheless intriguing that the lower stone of this alignment is due east of the southern edge of the cairn or mound at the top of the western end of the hill and this may have denoted the position of the alignment when seen in conjunction with the top stone and the Pleiades line. This may also have given the position of the small cairn or circle adjacent to the lower stone of this alignment.

This lower stone is square and set to the cardinal points. Along the alignment and 72 feet from the lowest stone lies what was probably a mid stone, now prone on the ground and directly alongside he relevant line. Overall length of the alignment is circa 72 megalithic yards. If the measure is significant here then a combination of Pleiades alignment, a due east position from the southern edge of the large cairn and the measure would effectively give the locations here quite accurately.

From the above information it seems possible that the large cairn on the western end of the hill may have been set up not as a burial chamber but as an astronomical marker, primarily for the Pleiades and the positions of the solar alignment and smaller cairn may have been denoted by this, the Pleiades line and measure.

The methodology of the top stone of this alignment complies with the methodology of the stones of Trellech, the Harold Stones. The Trellech stones have been very loosely dated to 1400-1500 BC by archaeologists but this is no more than speculation, no archaeological investigation has been conducted to search for datable material and hence the date is, in fact, meaningless, it is no more than a guess. This date was applied earlier by the author to the Gray Hill stones as the similarity in style was apparent but the interjection of the Pleiades at Gray Hill casts doubt upon this idea and it now seems more likely that the 2500BC date would apply to both sites. What can be stated firmly is that the top stone of the solar alignment aligns via the Pleiades alignment of 2500BC to the western end of Gray Hill and ultimately to the top of Twmbarlwm.

To continue reading the article, download the PDFs, Part 2 and Part 3

Harry Sivertsen is the author of the books Measurements of the Gods and Deluge:From Genesis to Atlantis, which contain more of his research. These are available via the links to Completelynovel.com. The ebook versions are just £5.99 each and have rated 4/5 stars from readers there.

Part 1 is introduced here and the PDF link is here: Part 1.

Note: Read Parts 2 and 3 of the article by Harry Sivertsen

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Re: Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm Parts 2 and 3 by Anonymous on Monday, 25 July 2011
Shwmae, I am part of the Ancient Cwmbran Gwent project and we think we may have found a Cist, we are not sure yet, but I wonder if it too is on the Pleiades alignment..?
Talk to Jan Bailey she knows Roger Bussell I think his last name best and would be able to tell you more?
But my question in part is I know Gray hill and all the stone circles well the smaller one on the side of the Hafren(Seven), and the larger one on the front of the mountain toward Steepholm, but there is a third that is in a crescent shape in rows it can only be seen in Winter, and I wonder what alignment it is on.?
A landscape Archaeologist Stuart Fry believes that we could be able to see GlasDyn Twr, Glastonbury in English from Twmbalwm and from Blaen Bran at the top of the valley on the same facing direction and same mountain as Twmbalwm?
Well it ended up a 3 part question in the end but it would be very interesting to find out. Diolch
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    Re: Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm Parts 2 and 3 by Sivertsen on Monday, 25 July 2011
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    Hello there

    I am sorry but I cannot assist with that one. The only circle that I identify with on Gray Hill is that adjacent to the solar alignment and here it appears to me to be the remnants of a kerbed cairn and not a circle as such. The stones that used to be upright within the circle and now prone on the ground indicate that this was most probably the case, that it was a small chambered construction.

    What I can say as you mention the island Steep Holme is that if you take a line from the northernmost of the three cairns at Twmbarlwm, and extend that line to the middle of Flat Holme, that line will slide alongside the remaining two cairns of Twmbarlwm and accurately locate the stone at Druidstone.

    Here we have two precise points and a variable, the variable being Flat Holme as there is no definitive location there of which I am aware that could be stated to be the target for such a line. However to have this meet precisely at Druidstone certainly begs the question of intention and I feel it is worth further examination.

    Regarding location of the proposed cist, simply plot the lines on the map and see what emerges. In fact I have sent Richard material not so long ago that included drawings and he may well have something there that is use, I do not remember what I sent to be honest.

    I wonder if Stuart has plotted a line from Twmbarlwm to Glastonbury. The two locations are 37.5 miles apart and it is doubtful if there is a visual link at that distance as Glastonbury is considerably less in stature than Twmbarlwm. Of course the same applies from Blaen Bran at the northern end of Mynydd Maen.

    In fact there is nothing on either line to attract any interest whatever, I have just run this up to check. So lines from Twmbarlwm or from the north of Mynydd Maen at Mynydd Twyn- glas that extend to Glastonbury appear to be of no intrinsic value and without further check it is extremely doubtful if Glastonbury could have been viewed from the local hilltop here in Gwent due to the distance involved and Earth curvature. Even if it could be seen what would be the importance? There are other hills between that have been used equally as well in the pre Christian era.

    Harry

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    Re: Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm Parts 2 and 3 by tiompan on Monday, 25 July 2011
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    Frys hill in the western Mendips is on the horizon blocking the view between Twmbarlwm and Glastonbury tor .

    George
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Re: Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm Parts 2 and 3 by Andy B on Monday, 18 July 2011
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The summit of Gray Hill is here
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=28724 and the surrounding stone circle and row are in the nearby sites list for that page.

Many thanks to Harry for serializing his article for us. The first part has provoked lively discussion in our forum and you are welcome to join in:
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=4654&forum=4&start=80
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