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<< Feature Articles >> Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm and South Gwent

Submitted by Sivertsen on Thursday, 07 July 2011  Page Views: 6987

Iron Age and Later PrehistoryCountry: Wales County: Monmouthshire (Sir Fynwy) Type: Hillfort

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Twm Barlwm
Twm Barlwm submitted by TimPrevett : At the east end of Twmbarlwm is this large mound; I thought it looked like a more recent beacon site, though I have read in places there may be a cairn at this location. (Vote or comment on this photo)
The first of a series of original articles by Harry Sivertsen. Here he describes the hill of Twm Barlwm and possible alignments with various sites including Llanfihangel Rogiet and Druidstone House Standing Stones.

Twmbarlwm is highly visible. It is not the loftiest of the hills in this region but does have a prominence that others fail to display, a bulge. In fact the bulge should be regarded as Twmbarlwm as the hill is some 5 miles long with the far northern region [actually north, north east] being known as Mynydd Llwyd. The highest point Mynydd Twyn-glas is at 1550 feet and the more general central region - Mynydd Maen. Twmbarlwm, while better known due probably to its ‘pimple’ or Norman motte is effectively merely the southern peak at 1370 feet.

The upland region of Twmbarlwm is a flat area that has been surrounded by a ditch. It has therefore been classified as a hill fort, however I do not believe the shallow single ditch was ever deep enough nor wide enough to form any sort of realistic defence against an enemy. Even later Norman enhancements did not turn this into an effective barrier.

This ditch would originally have been the operative part of an animal enclosure meant to keep cattle within its boundaries. Bovine species are very poor at climbing out of ditches and hence a simple ditch is frequently sufficient to keep them in place. This is not dissimilar to the ‘ha ha’ ditch used to keep deer and other animals from grazing lawns around large country houses. The ditch was seemingly deepened a little by the Normans but even then it would not have been a very practical defensive measure.

The Norman motte is at the northern end of this flat area and intruded over the original ditch; and a new ditch section was dug at that end and around the motte as is normal practice. This ditch was deeper and wider than the original around the upland grazing area and was a typical Norman defence construction which the enclosure ditch of course was not.

Use has been made of this bulge on the hilltop, in effect the hilltop itself, since the early Bronze Age. Given findings of flint implements on the hills they were in use even before this era, although perhaps we should allow that flint was still used widely in the Bronze Age as not everyone had access to tools made from this new material.

I hope to show that this hill was used for astronomical sights and stones were erected in the lowlands below to facilitate this purpose. The hilltop was utilised to view the sunset 20 days after the vernal or spring equinox and 20 days before the autumn equinox. This was part of some highly accurate landscape setting out that was complete circa 2500BC with the date derived from the positions of the observed elements of the heavens, in this case the Pleiades.

This hilltop nonetheless has further connections to Bronze Age structures. Here the reference is to Gray Hill to the east of Newport and likewise Gray Hill has some additional apparent connections to Trellech some eight miles to the North.

Long before mining took place on the hillsides of Mynydd Maen, the bulge of the end of the range, Twmbarlwm, was utilised to fix times of year. It has very distinct and far reaching calendrical associations. The sighting effects here are over quite a distance, nearly 13 miles. What is seen is an association with the Pleiades in 2500BC., and with Gray Hill north of Magor in Wentwood, the steep hill overlooking the eastern side of Wentwood reservoir. While the Pleiades were observed by
numerous cultures in the northern hemisphere, what we see on the ground here in South Gwent appears to be unique.

During the Roman period over 2600 years later the then meaningless alignment to Twmbarlwm was again utilised by the Roman engineers who set out Venta Silurum, the Civitas built for the Silures, the local tribe of the area. We call this small town Caerwent.

Once more, between 600-700 years after the Romans left these shores, the Normans utilised the mound at the end of the hill range. In the intervening period between Bronze Age and that of the Normans, a small bank and ditch had been added to the raised area of Twmbarlwm. It seems that the Norman nobility took advantage of this and utilised it as the contained area of a bailey that was a part of the motte and bailey castle atop the hill - the motte being the ‘Twmp’ or ‘Pimple’. There was now a further sighting spot on the hill, the pimple - and this motte was indeed utilised in this manner - a visible assistant in the setting out of further mottes.

As is seen from these very brief notes this hill has been more than a little influential over the millennia with the carbuncle for which it is famed, the 1000 year old ‘Pimple’ or ‘Twmp’, the Norman ‘motte’, visible from as far as Somerset, being but the most recent of sighting points and as we shall reveal, this once more has far reaching consequences.

Let us next, however, transport ourselves back to the era circa 2500BC and reveal what can be discovered by anyone...without digging into the ground. All that is required at this stage to prove the argument to oneself is an OS map 1:25000 scale [most suitable combination of coverage and scale] and an astronomy computer program. Computerised mapping is a wonderful advantage but not essential. In fact much can be accomplished with the free Google Earth although one cannot backdate astronomical events with this program and the OS grid system, not available on Google Earth, is more favourable for this type of work than Latitude and Longitude as positions so denoted are transferable to a CAD program. The investigations seen here have been conducted via CAD with OS positions from computerised maps [Anquet 1:25000 series] transferred to the drawings.

At this point, to keep reading this article, please download the PDF version (4Mb download) as this has all the required diagrams and tables included.

Harry Sivertsen is the author of the books Measurements of the Gods and Deluge:From Genesis to Atlantis, which contain more of his research. These are available via the links to Completelynovel.com. The ebook versions are just £5.99 each and have rated 4/5 stars from readers there.

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Re: Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm and South Gwent by astronomer on Monday, 18 July 2011
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Ca2500BC the spring equinox was in early April. Using Chris Marriott's SkyMap Pro11, like Siversten did, I found that ca2514BC (precision is not the same as accuracy, so 2000 or 2514 BC is largely irrelevant for astro-alignments so long ago unless obliquity of the ecliptic is taken into account and even that is less than 0.3 degrees) the Pleiades and the sun rose roughly at the same time in the morning sky. He suggests within about half an hour, much closer, perhaps within 20 minutes, as I calculate the rising. These astronomical objects were at about the same altitude in the sky seen from Twmbarlwm and so close, about 18 degrees horizontally, that the Pleiades could not have been visible in the dawn sky, swamped by sunlight, as they and the sun rose together.
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    Re: Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm and South Gwent by Runemage on Monday, 18 July 2011
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    Hi astronomer,
    We have a discussion ongoing on our forum if you'd like to join in. I've copied your post over there.
    http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=4654&forum=4&start=80



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    Re: Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm and South Gwent by Sivertsen on Tuesday, 19 July 2011
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    Quite right, the whole point here is that as the sun progressed through the year the vision changed from one of a rise in the morning to one of set in the evening and the sun position in relation to the Pleiades dictated when this would be.

    The book Measurements of the Gods has more detail regarding the observations where a number of explanatory illustrations from Skymap can be seen. These clarify the picture.

    Regarding small inaccuracies, yes they do occur but when the diameter of the observed object is the is the size of the sun, moon or Pleiades there is little doubt that the picture would be correct simply due to the sizes involved. Refraction would not obviate this as it would with a singular star close to the horizon. Again, it is easy to simply state, as some often do, that because pinpoint accuracy cannot be guaranteed that the theory is at fault.

    These stones among others were erected for what purpose? If they have associations with objects in the sky then it is unlikely in the extreme to be coincidence. Far too much has been labelled religious etc in archaeology simply because it has not been fully understood. That does not reflect upon the skies necessarily as while the lights were probably seen as gods they were also practical. The lights denoted times of year which indicated a change in weather or tide in coastal region and even a change of tide can imply a change of weather. The only reliable entity in the life of anyone in those far off days was the sky and the lights that daily travelled across its dome.

    The sky was observed very closely as numerous ancient texts from other regions of the same era tell us and as these texts give a good idea of what was observed then logically the same entities were seen and recorded here in Britain. All observed the same sky.

    Harry
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    Re: Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm and South Gwent by Sivertsen on Tuesday, 19 July 2011
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    Hi Astronomer

    Yes the sun would indeed have blotted out the view of the Pleiades. This in essence, is what this whole thing is about, a change of view from a rise in the morning to the set in the evening and that change was denoted by the loss of vision due to association with the sun. Changes occurred in association with autumn and spring as implied in the writings of Hesiod where he inferred farming practice. He was an agricultural man after all. This really is that simple.

    As I noted a few days back, the book Measurements of the Gods [read free at completelynovel.com] has a series of illustrations from Skymap which show what was happening at the period in question.

    While I agree that some slight inaccuracies do occur in the astro archaeology sphere due to various factors when we seen something half a degree visual diameter i.e. sun, moon or Pleiades, then there is little doubt involved. Even refraction does not put something that size out of position and when stones or something else obviously placed for such a purpose are near enough to the sighting of such an object we can be pretty sure that the assessment is correct.

    On this matter in another section in the book I show the difference between latitudes taken from lat/long values and straight line of sight viewing. This for the equinox line that is involved in the assessment.

    The lights in the sky were the only reliable entities in the life of anyone in the olden days so there is no doubt that these were observed extremely closely as ancient texts from various areas but of the same period as that under discussion clearly indicate. Hence, as all observed the same skies what was seen elsewhere was seen here and as the Pleiades were important to others they equally would have been important to the people here.

    Harry
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Re: Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm and South Gwent by tiompan on Saturday, 09 July 2011
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Omitting the all important "better than carbon dating " from the quote does make quite a big difference to the meaning which was a perfectly reasonable criticism of the methodology which has nothing to do with local knowledge .
George
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    Re: Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm and South Gwent by Sivertsen on Saturday, 09 July 2011
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    I have been under the impression that carbon dating gives a window of 50 years or more. If this does apply then the traverse of the Pleiades across the western end of Gray hill with its window of less than 30 years is evidently a more accurate methodology in this specific case. If carbon is today refined to a greater accuracy than 30 years then I am wrong. In any case the comment was merely to emphasise the fact that dating can be quite accurately derived from the movements of the heavens. Regarding positioning, a fixed observation location and a fixed object with a light in the sky traversing the horizon in its rise and set positions over a period certainly gives date and time., or at least the computer simulating it gives me the date and time. This is because the observation location and fixed objects are just that-fixed. They are two hills in this case one observed from the other. My methodology is as reliable as the computer programs I use. Harry
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Re: Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm and South Gwent by Andy B on Saturday, 09 July 2011
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There is more comment about this in our forum

http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=4654&forum=4

Better to start a detailed discussion there I think. Harry you will need to log in with your ID of Sivertsen so you can post, let me know if you need your password to be reset.
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Re: Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm and South Gwent by davidmorgan on Friday, 08 July 2011
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I think you're on pretty dodgy ground here, claiming that imagined alignments are "better than carbon dating". Basically you could choose any astronomical feature and "align" it with any site at any time in the past. Saying that constellation x rose over feature y in year z is meaningless as far as dating is concerned.
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    Re: Pleiades alignments in Wales? Archaoastronomy at Twmbarlwm and South Gwent by Anonymous on Saturday, 09 July 2011
    Pretty dodgy ground? imagined alignments?

    Please do not criticise what you have not examined in as equal depth as that portrayed.
    Your comments are meaningless in that it is blatantly obvious that you have not accomplished the research necessary to either agree or disagree with the analysis.

    You are making a generalised and inaccurate statement and furthermore supply absolutely no backup to your assertions.

    If you are not in a position to personally accomplish the essential localised research but only have a negative, generalised opinion based upon hearsay picked up from the writings of others, then please have the decency to keep your comments to yourself until you have gained sufficient knowledge to arrive at an informed decision.

    Clearly you are a long way from being in that position.

    If I can be proved to be wrong then I can accept being wrong but note the word that applies...prove...I am not interested in uninformed opinionated comment, only in honest and...

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