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Megalithic Measures and Rhythms submitted by astro3 : At Shianbank in Perthshire, two equal-sized circles lie some distance apart, and the line through their centres points to where the midsummer sun sets. Their tangents intersect at 45° (or, nearer to 46°): does that imply an octagonal pattern, and did the larger circles as shown in her diagram in any sense exist? AM asks, ‘Would it be possible to examine the position of the unmarked outer rings... (Vote or comment on this photo)
Dr Nick Kollerstrom reviews the new book Megalithic Measures and Rhythms by Anne Macaulay from Floris Books. This is a book to be welcomed as carrying on the work of Alexander Thom. Anne Macaulay (AM) died in 1998 and the two editors, Vivian Linacre (a Perth surveyor) and Richard Batchelor (a geologist at St Andrews’ University), have put her notes into a suitable form for publication, and the book is illustrated with excellent photographs by Gordon Strachan.

Excerpts of her correspondence with maths professor Jay Kappraff, twelve letters in all, are appended. One could wish her bibliography had included John Ivimy’s The Sphinx and the Megaliths, surely one of the more important works in tune with her endeavours.

It is good to hear a woman’s view on this topic, one whose work is marvellously infused with geometrical and musical considerations. The pages have John Martineau-type diagrams of regular geometrical figures imposed upon the megalithic structure-plans. Gerald Hawkins would have been the person to review this work, but alas that quiet-voiced elder has now departed. One would like to see an annual Anne Macaulay lecture set up, in which speakers grapple with these intractable and yet deeply important issues; and maybe combat in some degree the tides of Rugglesian scepticism now washing over academe.

Has she indeed discovered that the Megalithic Rod ( = 2.5 Megalithic Yards) ‘is identical to the ancient Greek fathom, which measures exactly seven Greek feet’ as the opening page of her text proclaims? Well, change ‘Greek’ to ‘Roman’ and it’s not a bad tie-up! As she writes, the MR = 6.80 Imperial feet = 2.072 metres while ‘The Greek foot is 0.296 metres.’ The great 19th-century metrologist Flinders Petrie found that the Stonehenge sarsens showed evidence for a foot in their construction, that was:

‘.. closely accordant with the Roman foot, which, though 11.64” in Rome, had a mean value of 11.68” ±0.01 in Greece, Africa & England. Not that this shows Stonehenge to be post-Roman, as the unit was the great Etrurian and Cyclopaen unit, originally derived from Egypt, and it may have been introduced at any date into Britain.’ [Ref 1]

Let’s here follow Petrie’s example, and also the advice which John Michell gives on this theme, of expressing the units in terms of English feet. If we use metres everyone will soon end up bored, baffled and bewildered. Taking Thom’s definition of the MY as 2.722 feet (and he reckoned he could obtain that four-digit accuracy) then one-seventh of a MR will be 11.66” i.e. a Roman foot.[Ref 2]

At this point, one wishes that AM had alluded to the precision measurement made by John Greaves back in 1639, of a ‘Roman foot’ kept in the Vatican garden in Rome. Greaves, an Oxford astronomy professor, found this Roman foot to be 11.66 inches [Ref 3]. This demonstates a powerful, four-figure tie-up for her fathom-MR argument, with the sole adjustment that it is the Roman not Greek foot that is involved. Let’s hope that some future megalithic-metrology conference will debate this matter. I like the fathom.

The Greek foot was between 12.16 and 12.17 inches, that being the ‘Olympic’ Greek foot: one hundred of these Greek feet comprised the width of the Acropolis and six hundred of them comprised a ‘stade’ equalling the length of the stadium (racetrack) in ancient Athens [Ref 4]. If we keep these measures in inches we may hope to avoid the dire error which reverberates through this book, of muddling up the Greek and Roman feet. One is less than the English foot, the other more, the two being forever interlocked in a 24:25 ratio.

Here’s a helpful comment by John Neal, the metrology expert: ‘It is glaringly obvious that the measures that were used in Britain were not introduced by any invader, or have any known source within recorded history. The Roman foot was in use in Britain in the Neolithic and the Bronze age … The Roman foot of .96 ft is known to have been in use from at least the third millenium BC, on the best of evidence.’ [Ref 5]

The diagrams are the meat of this work. That for the little-known ‘Milton of Clava’ at Inverness has a hexagon and pentagram define its circle radii. (p.43) [Ref 6]. AM explains, ‘The Milton of Clava pentagram [View Figure] is made using Fibonacci numbers and the central circle is formed by the junction of the arms of the pentagram.’ The two mean diameters given by Thom are in the ratio 57.8’/22.0’ = 2.627. That is the square of the golden ratio (to within 0.3%).

The presence of this pentagram-generated ratio in a Scottish stone-circle design is, I’d say, something more precious than gold or diamonds. I remain unconvinced, however, that this indicates a knowledge either of the Fibonacci series or of the golden ratio, as is here averred, on behalf of the megalith-builders. All it shows, is that the construction of a pentagram defined the ratio between the radii. How they constructed the pentagram, may not be known to us.

Only one stone remains of the alleged outer circle. AM’s construction thus directs further research, as to whether further remains can be detected, and will these give a radius estimate concordant with her regular-hexagon pattern? One could just say that this ratio is the square root of three - 100'/57.8' = 1.732 = √3 within 0.1%, but it might be better not to! The diameter of the main circle, measured by Thom at 57.8 feet, is meant to be 8.5 MR: at 8.494 MR that’s within 0.1%. [Ref 7] Marvellously, these precise geometric ratios lay unnoticed for millennia in a Scottish field, until Anne Macaulay came along. These megalithic mathematical constructs could well end up in math-history textbooks … in the first chapter!

This ‘Milton of Clava’ structure could be earlier than Stonehenge, or the pyramids. The British megaliths contain a first-beginning of human mathematics, and sceptics are going to have to harden themselves to face this disturbing fact. It is a theme of this book (as also of Ivimy’s Sphinx and the Megaliths) that the knowledge of the British megalith-builders (‘Hyperboreans’ [Ref 8]) infused into what became the Pythagorean tradition in ancient Greece.

At Shianbank in Perthshire [View Figure], two equal-sized circles lie some distance apart, and the line through their centres points to where the midsummer sun sets. Their tangents intersect at 45° (or, nearer to 46°): does that imply an octagonal pattern, and did the larger circles as shown in her diagram in any sense exist?

AM asks, ‘Would it be possible to examine the position of the unmarked outer rings with technologically advanced instruments, in order to search for possible wooden post holes … Neither Thom nor Burl had any idea of the size of the final geometry of these pairs.’ (p114) . Can traces be found to indicate that the two outer circles she has constructed, were an integral part of the design? She quotes Aubrey Burl, that ‘Paired rings such as these are not uncommon in central Scotland.’ The possible octagonal design here constructed has a wider interest, not least because of the presence of such at the core of the Stonehenge architecture, viz. its ‘station stone rectangle,’ linking the Aubrey circle of holes to that of the Sarsen ring of stones: did an octagon-design controll the size of its mighty ring of Sarsens?

AM quotes Thom as finding 104 MY as the diameter of Stonehenge’s Aubrey circle (its outer ring of holes), and taking a unit of 8 MY this will give the much-discussed 13-12-5 Pythagorean triangle in the ‘Station Stone rectangle,’ which stands on the Aubrey circle (p.52). Science historian John North found ‘No doubt’ [Ref 9] that the design of this rectangle embodied the MY units. The mean diameter of this circle is 104.2 MY [Ref 10] and so the measure of the 5-12-13 triangle may not ‘fit’ into it very exactly.

AM alluded to how ‘Keith Critchlow, the well-known authority on sacred architecture, recognised the presence of both an octagram and a heptagon on the Stonehenge plan, reinforced by the pattern of Aubrey holes: 7 x 8 = 56.’ [Ref 11] It is of interest to compare these constructions with the master-diagram of Stonehenge given by geometer John Martineau [Ref 12] [View Figure]. This shows, as its author tells us, how ‘the obvious eightfold geometry has been related to the astronomical siting of the site.’ This diagram links together the 5-12-13 rectangle, aligned to the Sun and Moon, and holding the Sarsen ring within it, with what is outside, the eight cardinal directions to which the monument is responsive. AM’s work surely deepens our ability to appreciate these things.

The notion of a star-heptagon construction within Stonehenge has seemed far-fetched [Ref 13], but if AM’s researches show that regular star-polygons are part of the design of British stone circles, then we need to reconsider it. A circle passing through the sarsen ring, through the centres of the stones, has a diameter AM found of 37.00 MY [Ref 14], a value remarkably close to that defined by the star-heptagon geometry, in fact within 0.3%. Using the above-given value for the Aubrey circle, a star-heptagon having its corners on every 8th hole in this circle intersects at a radius of 101.2’ or just over 37 MY diameter. In a sense this accord is too close, because the centres of the two circles, Aubrey and Sarsen, are two feet apart…

As Robin Heath suggested, we live today surrounded by mathematically-derived forms and dream about wild animals, whereas our early ancestors, surrounded by wild beasts, were attempting to dream about mathematics. AM’s book is about patterns in space not rhythms time, and barely alludes to astronomical rhythms. The symmetrical figures discerned by AM in the stones were a beginning of geo-metry, (earth-measure), and her work enables us to appreciate the scientia which did once exist, in prehistoric Britain.

Note on Mid Clyth: The most direct evidence for use of a unit of measure in prehistoric Britain appears to derive from ‘Mid Clyth’ in Caithness. Many rows of parallel stones there provide evidence for …what?. Heggie found that no-other UK site gave such strong evidence for an early unit of measure, adding ‘Thom found overwhelming support for a unit of 7.743 feet … It is a pity that this is not the megalithic yard, although it happens to be close to 20/7 MY.’ [Ref 15] AM proposed that this measure was equal to eight feet; these would then have to be, of 11.61 inches. This tends to endorse her seven-foot fathom, as equal to the MR, and shows the foot-unit used in megalithic-era Britain (p.39): ‘Roman,’ not Greek.

Megalithic Measures and Rhythms by Anne Macaulay is published by Floris Books and available from Amazon.co.uk.

At the time of writing, Dr Nick Kollerstrom was an Honorary Research Fellow at University College London in the Science and Technology Studies Department, read more of his writing on the Portal.

References

1. F.Petrie, Stonehenge: Plans, Descriptions and Theories, 1880, p.23.

2. The 0.296 metres which AM cites, equals 11.65 inches.

3. J.Greaves, A Discourse of the Roman Foot, 1647, p.33.

4. www.ucl.ac.uk/sts/nk/stade.pdf

5. John Neil, All Done with Mirrors, 2000 p.105. See Note at end.

6. For a diagram of this formation see Thom and Thom, Megalithic Rings, Oxford, 1980 (collated by Aubrey Burl), p.248.

7. For frequency of occurrences of 1/2 MY, see Douglas Heggie, Megalithic Science 1981, p.49.

8. Or, 'happy Hyperboreans' as Gerald Hawkins called them, on account of their custom of dancing the night away to the sounds of the cithara, upon certain lunar periods, according to the Sicilian historian Diodorus: Hawkins, Stonehenge Decoded 1965 p.128.AM, p.178-182 discusses this ever-fascinating section of Diodorus' History: 'And there is also on the island both a magnificent sacred precinct of Apollo and a notable temple which is adorned with many votive offerings and is spherical in shape. Furthermore a city is there which is sacred to this god, and the majority of its inhabitants are players on the cithara.' That city, AM suggests, was Glastonbury, a mere forty miles from Stonehenge (p.179). On this view, its music-festival tradition is truly ancient! She interprets 'spherical' as alluding to astronomy, surely quite rightly; but alas does not comment on the way this text alludes to two different temples.

9. John North, Stonehenge, Neolithic Man and the Cosmos, 1996, p.329, p.478-480.

10. Euan Mackie, Science and Society in Prehistoric Britain, 1977, p.114: from, 283.6 feet.

11. Did he? He didn't do it in Time stands Still (1979), the only Critchlow opus here alluded to.

12. J.Martineau, A Book of Coincidence, 1995, p.107.

13. It was first proposed by C.A.Newham,.
14. John Michell (Ancient Metrology 1981, p.36) estimated the mean diameter of the sarsen ring as 100.83 feet, equivalent to 37.04 MY - agreeing to 0.1%.

15. Heggie (ref. 7), p.48.

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Re: Megalithic Measures and Rhythms by Anonymous on Friday, 28 August 2020


[27,216(sidereal month)/0,525] *7=362.88(days)
[27.22222222222222(sidereal month)/0,525]*7=362,96296296296 (days)

362,96296296296296 (days)/1,008*1,62/1,6=364.5833333333333 days

364.5833333333333*3,2(Egyptian pi)=11666.666666667

[364.5833333333333*3,2(Egyptian pi)] / 0.972222222222222=12000

3,2(Egyptian pi)]/6=0.53333333333333
3,24(Egyptian pi)]/6=0,54

3,2(Egyptian pi)/0.000370370370371)*3600=31104000
3,24(Egyptian pi)/0.000370370370371)*3600=31492800

31492800/86400=364,5 days
31104000/86400=360 days

360 days*1,008=362,88 days


31492800+7200=31500000
(31492800+7200)*1,008=31752000

(31752000/6585,6)*7/3600*30/270*24=25


(31104000+648000)*0.000370370370371

(3.266666666666666/0.000370370370371)*3600=31752000

(31752000*0.000370370370371)/12000*360=352,8



[27,2(sidereal month ;A Thom)/0,525]*7=362.6666666666666(days)

362.6666666666666(days)/0,528*0,11*5/0.222222222222222=1700

378/0.222222222222222=1701
[1700(A.Thom)*2]/100=34
34/35*70=68(A.Thom)

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(362.88(days)*362.96296296296(days)/1000=131.712
131.712*4*10/9/1,6*18(eclipse)=6585,6

6585.6/18.66666666666666=352,8(dragon year)

6585.6/18.75/0.972222222222222/0.995555555555555=362,88 (days ;)

6585.6/18.9/0.972222222222222/0.995555555555555=360 (days)

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The Lunar Month (Synodic) =29.53125 days 
The Anomalistic Month =27.5625 days 
The Eclipse Year = 347.2222222222222 days 

750-(27*27,5625)*100/1,6/0,28125=1291.6666666667
1291.6666666667/91.66666666666666=14.090909090909

14.090909090909*0,99*26.66666666666666=372

372 day/1.333333333333333=280-1
373.33333333333/1.333333333333333=280


373.33333333333/0.99555555555555=375

373.33333333333/0.99555555555555*1,008=378

378/384*30*12/0,972=364.5833333333333

384000*27(sidereal month)/31104000=0.33333333333333

[(384000*13,5)/31104000]*86400/24=600



540/600=0,9

540/1,5=360(ancient principle day:day , year, degree)

576/1,6=360(ancient principle day:day , year, degree)

540/576=0,9375

0,9375*30=28,125


28,125*12.345679012346=347.2222222222222
28,125*12.44444444444444=350
28,125*12,6=354.375
28,127,008=357.21
28,125*12,8=360
28,125*12,96=364.5
28,125*13,122=369.05625
28,125*13,125=369.140625

369.140625/1,0125=364.58333333333
28,125*13,2=371.25
28,125*13.33333333333333=375
28,125*13.33333333333333*1,008=378

(28,125*13,5)/0,6875*0,11*6=364,5 days(ancient principle ; day,year,degree)

28,125*13.88888888888888/1.111111111111111=351.5625

28,125*14*100=39375(ancient measurement of the earth)
28,35*14*100=39690(ancient measurement of the earth)


39375(ancient measurement of the earth)/3,6/1000=0.0109375

(1/0.0109375)*3,969=362,88 days(perihelion; )

(1/0.0109375)*3,9375=360 days


180/7*12=308.571428571432

54000/308.57142857166=175

25.714285714286*11,52*12/0,96*7=25920
25920/72=360


31104000/12(months)/86400=30 days


12*100*25920=31104000
(1/300000*31104000)-104=0,32

103.68/0,32=324
103,68/0,324=320

103,68/31.60493827160494=3.2805

3,2805*100*10/9=583.2
583.2/1,6=364,5 (Berriman - see new metrology by David Kenworthy https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/newmetrology/index.php)

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Re: Megalithic Measures and Rhythms by astro3 on Wednesday, 24 September 2008
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Let's listen to Anne Macaulay, on the subject of the Arundel Stone: ‘The precise length of the Greek Fathom remained unknown until professor Fernie re-examined the Arundel stone' (p.38) – the reference here is to Eric Fernie, ‘The Greek Metrological Relief in Oxford,’ Antiquities Journal, 1981, pp. 255-62. What she here calls the Greek fathom is identical with Thom’s Megalithic Rod - that's the vital point. She explains, ‘The Greek fathom is defined from fingertip to fingertip of the male figure’s outstretched arms.’ As she points out, Prof. Fernie didn't like the notion of a fathom with seven feet – use of seven as a base for mensuration would be strange. Pythagoras was born on Samos, where this Arundel Stone came from.
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Re: Megalithic Measures and Rhythms by astro3 on Wednesday, 24 September 2008
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'The mean of the Roman foot = 11.67 inches' - Nicholson, 'Man and Measures', 1912, p.49.

We saw how both Petrie and Atkinson measured the same inner diameter of the Stonehenge Sarsen ring at 1168 inches, separated by eight decades in time, (the latter put it at 97 1/3 feet, and taking 4 inches to a foot gives us this value). So, if you accept 'Petrie's Hypothesis' of a decimal system in use, that gives one hundred 11.68 inches. That 'Roman foot' value is now the height of an A4 sheet of paper within a millimetre - so it preexisted the British foot, and has outlasted it!

We saw how the width of the Acropolis and the inner diameter of the sarsen ring at Stonehenge are in a precise 25:24 ratio, as 100 Greek and Roman feet, respectively.

In the Ashmoleum museum at Oxford, there is the 'Arundel' frieze of a man with outstretched arms, measuring 207 cm between his fingertips and a separate 'foot' imprint which is 29.6 cm - clearly, one-seventh of the total span. This came from the island of Samos in the 5th century BC, close to the time of the Acropolis' construction. One regrets that Alexander Thom never stood before this frieze and exclaimed, 'But of course! That is a megalithic rod - comprising seven Roman feet! Aha!'

Wikipedia gives the 'Roman foot' as 296.2mm, and that equals 11.66 inches. It says this is 'The value of the historical Roman foot scientifically obtained through modern statistical methods' - so there! We may have some trouble in believing in what would have to be a central miracle of metrology, that one unit could thus endure down through four millenia...

I think this is what Anne Macaulay was arguing - and why she called it a 'Greek' foot. Okay, one can call it a 'Samian' foot (and Euan Mackie does) because it first appeared there in Samos, but let's here call it 'Roman' and only use the term 'Greek foot' for the 'Olympian' Greek foot of 12.16 feet. We may bear in mind Nicholson's statement that 'There is no trace of the Olympic foot in North Europe' (ibid, p.49).

Thom expressed his MY as 32.64" which puts his MR (5/2 scale factor) as 81.6" or 207 cm - the Arundel frieze arm-length.
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Re: Megalithic Measures and Rhythms by Anonymous on Sunday, 10 February 2008

It seems clear to me and others have said it that the Megalithic Pole of 6MY is a variation on the English Pole. The counterpart of the Megalithic Yard is then 33 inches which is a Spanish Vara and also an Indian Akbar Yard. The English Pole belonged originally to the system which we know as Sumerian. It is equal to 10 Sumerian cubits. I believe that the system came originally from Asia Minor and spread into Europe with farming. The Indian system is descended from the measure of the Indus civilization which has similarity to Sumeria. There is a measure called the Jarib which is 60 Akbar yards which is 10 English poles.

The Megalithic Yard multiplied by 10/7 gives a French Aune. The Vara to the Aune equals the English Pole to the French Pole which is the square root of 2. The reason for this relationship lies in units of area. Ten English poles make a jarib and a square jarib equals a biga of a 100 sq English poles. Ten French poles form the side of a square of area 100 sq French poles which is an Arpent. The side of the square is a also a jarib multiplied by the square root of 2 so an Arpent equals 2 biga. The Biga is also found in the west where it is superimposed on Roman measure and called a Jugerum. Two jugera made a Heredium equal to an arpent.
The Jugerum was equal to the aukward number of 12,800 sq cubits. I suspect that Bronze Age users of Roman measure had to incorporate already existing units of land area in to their system.

I believe that megalithic people modified the relationship with French so that the square root of 2 was substituted for 10/7. The Spanish Vara then became a megalithic yard and the English pole, a megalithic pole. They then related to the French Aune and Pole in multiples of 7. This allowed the use of the Pi ratio of 22/7 in the design of stone circles.

Roman and Greek measure is related to Near Easter measure. Like there, there is a cubit of 3/2 feet. Roman measure is closely related to Egyptian. The Statilian Roman foot is equal to 16 Roman/Egyptian digits. Both systems had a palm of 4 digits and the Egyptian Remen (foot) of 20 digits was a Roman palmipes. The Aune is equal to 4 Roman feet. I believe that this is a consequence of the relationship between Sumerian and Egyptian rather than something deliberately created. I have shown by means of my loop that the Aune works out as this. The Sumerian Cubit to the Egyptian Royal Cubit equals 24:25. This is the same relationship as between Roman and Greek and is 3:Pi in 25/8 format.

This will be my last statement.

T.Benesh.

PS My head is always above my heels !

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Re: Megalithic Measures and Rhythms by Anonymous on Sunday, 03 February 2008

I believe that this Roman model has validity for the early Bronze Age. If the right rules are applied to it then it provides an easy route to the derivation of a real version of Megalithic which links up with the 11.68 inch measure. The same rules also strengthen my Stone Age model.

I am very happy to be able to give it validity and provide a compromise where all ideas contribute to the wider picture of the whole megalithic period.

This is all I am prepared to say. I will not add any more notes unless I think it is very important.

Tony Benesh
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Re: Megalithic Measures and Rhythms by Anonymous on Tuesday, 29 January 2008
"At the other end, the Roman Foot has a relationship with Egyptian. If the two ends are tied together into a loop then" .........they both go head over heels?
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Re: Megalithic Measures and Rhythms by Anonymous on Tuesday, 29 January 2008
Proof of argument

I believe that Megalithic meaure is based on the French Aune of 10/7 MY. The Aune has a square root relationship with Sumerian. At the other end, the Roman Foot has a relationship with Egyptian. If the two ends are tied together into a loop then the Aune comes out as 4 Roman feet.

Egyptian Remen = 5/4 Roman feet

Egyptian Royal Cubit = Remen x SQR (2) ( Square root of 2)

Sumerian Cubit = 24/25 Royal cubits

10 royal cubits = English Pole

French Pole = English Pole x SQR (2)

Aune = French Pole/6

Therefore

Aune = Roman Foot x 5/4 x SQR(2) x 24/25 x 10 x SQR(2)/6
= 4 Roman feet

These relationships come from Historical Metrology by A.E.Berriman.

It seems likely that the Aune is the older measure of Western Europe. It was probably originally an ell of 45 German inches. In Roman measure it is 4 feet and equal to 48 inches. The two do not mesh.

At this point I should leave you to sort it out in your own time.
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Re: Megalithic Measures and Rhythms by Anonymous on Saturday, 26 January 2008
I apologize for my initial rather negative attitude. Although shamefully I have not read the book I am beginning to deduce that it is one of the better books. I doubt whether my article offer was appropriate but I wanted to elaborate. I withdraw it.

Although I doubt whether the Roman Foot is a true megalithic measure I have overlooked the fact that it can be used to describe valid megalithic relationships. This stems from the fact that a French Aune equals 4 Roman feet. Therefore a Roman Foot could have existed as a quarter of an aune, this is 15 nails on the assumption that the Aune is an ell of 60 nails. Although I could argue that the divisions are different I am beginning to split hairs on the basis that I am almost converging to the same thing.

I think I know where the author is coming from. 7 Roman feet multiplied by 4 equals 7 aunes which equals 10 MY. This almost stares at you in the relationships that I have given. It is also something which I have stated in my own...

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Re: Megalithic Measures and Rhythms by Anonymous on Wednesday, 23 January 2008
It was me who gave the alternative ideas about Megailthic measure. I have mixed feelings about my ideas being displayed. Those concerned with the book can read it and then please remove it. It serves the interests of neither side. You can display this.

The relationship with Roman is mathematically correct, however so are my ideas. All these systems interlock with each other and all the relationships are mathematically consistent. I believe that the 5/2 MY length is a measure and that it is a unit of area. A circle of radius 2MY will have an area of approximately 2sq units. However this use has nothing to do with the Roman connection.

It is my view that the Roman Foot came with Bronze Age peoples towards the end of the megalithic period. The two systems may then have been used in conjunction. However I believe that megalithic measure already existed.

Could I do an article with diagrams for your website on the relationship between Megalithic and these other systems. This can...

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Re: Megalithic Measures and Rhythms by Anonymous on Saturday, 19 January 2008
This is in addition to my response which I cannot see, it may be because I forgot to put a 7 in the box.

I concede that the 5/2 MY length may have been a measure but I still doubt whether it's Roman value has any significance. I have found a use for it which is unrelated to it's Roman connection. It makes sense as a linear version of a unit of area. A circle of radius 2MY will have an area of 2 sq units. This is based on Pi equals 25/8 and has an error of 0.5%.

I believe that the true systems around which Megalithic was designed to interlock are French and German. The Megalithic Yard multiplied by 10/7 equals a French Aune of 44 pounces or 45 German zollen (inches). The megalithic pole of 6MY multiplied by 10/7 equals a French Pole. I believe that Megalithic is a modification of an older system which I suspect came with farming from Asia Minor. This system is the same as Sumerian. The counterpart of the Megalithic Pole is the English Pole of 10 Sumerian cubits or 15 Sumerian...

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Re: Megalithic Measures and Rhythms by astro3 on Saturday, 16 September 2006
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Mr Benesh, what are you trying to say? “I agree that the relationship applies to the Roman foot and not the Greek foot. However neither the Greek or Roman Fathom equals 7 feet.” Please read what Anne Macaulay has proposed – we are talking about a ‘Megalithic’ fathom of seven feet, equal to Thom’s MY ‘Rod’.

If we choose to accept Thom’s MY of 2.722 feet and his ‘Rod’ of 2 ½ times that, then one-seventh of such a Rod, Anne Macaulay has proposed, must be 11.66” – that's simple arithmetic, isn’t it? That is the value which John Greaves measured in Rome and published in 1647 of the Roman foot, isn’t it?

Or, we could take Flinders Petrie’s claim (1880), that his precision measure of the inner circle of the Stonehenge sarsens were a hundred of these ‘feet,’ and that will give us a foot of 11.68".

Or, we could take the site of ‘Mid Clyth’ in Caithness, constructed, Thom found, using the basic interval of 7.743 feet (endorsed by Heggie, 1981): if Anne Macaulay is right, that was...

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Re: Megalithic Measures and Rhythms by Anonymous on Monday, 04 September 2006
I agree that the relationship applies to the Roman foot and not the Greek foot. However neither the Greek or Roman Fathom equals 7 feet.
I too have linked Megalithic to Roman however I do not believe that either of these systems have been designed with the other in mind. The measure of the world is part of a single intergrated network. Much of this was discovered by A.E.Berriman. It is possible to link anything to anything and here lies the danger. There is not necessarily any special significance in linking two systems together, there can be more valid connections.

I believe the Roman Foot did arrive in Britain in pre-Roman times and was here in the Bronze Age however this was at the end of the Megalithic period.

I have been studying ancient measure for nearly 9 years and am writing a book on the subject.

Tony Benesh
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