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Northern Earth 112 Midwinter 2008 edition out now

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Re: Northern Earth 112 Midwinter 2008 edition out now by Anonymous on Monday, 11 February 2019
Website says West African gold but that's interesting because it's at least specific - not like a hoax. Carthage traded gold from Africa in pre Roman times and as far away as Britain.
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Mouselow Sky Disc update 1 by Blingo_von_Trumpenstein on Friday, 29 November 2013
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Buxton Museum know nothing about the disc. I am not yet convinced it ever existed. It is so similar to the Nebra disc that it would be a very important find and I cannot imagine that it has not gone into a museum. It also contains gold so should have been reported as treasure trove (pre Portable Antiquities Scheme?). I'll move on to my next contacts to see what else I can find out...does anyone know anything?
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Re: Northern Earth 112 Midwinter 2008 edition out now by Blingo_von_Trumpenstein on Thursday, 28 November 2013
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Here's some info:

http://www.cyberia.org.uk/

Who knows?
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Re: Northern Earth 112 Midwinter 2008 edition out now by Anonymous on Tuesday, 11 December 2007
Is this real? Being from Derbyshire I have always thought we were at the forefront of human intelligence. I have seen images on web but I am not convinced this is not a hoax. Can anyone tell me where it is? Also is it related in any way to the celtic stone heads from around this area (anyone got data).

Heading to Salisbury plain next week to build up to the solstice - see you at Stonehenge in the mist on the 22nd!!

Guybongo
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    Re: Northern Earth 112 Midwinter 2008 edition out now by Anonymous on Thursday, 28 November 2013
    The copper/gold disc used to be in a display cabinet at Glossop Heritage Center,but this is now closed.Display ojects were either returned to lenders or put in storage,
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      Re: Northern Earth 112 Midwinter 2008 edition out now by Blingo_von_Trumpenstein on Thursday, 28 November 2013
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      Wow what an exceptional coincidence. Yesterday I restarted my reading on the Nebra Sky Disc and today I get some info on this disc. I shall resume my quest to find the Derbyshire Disc starting with my friends at Buxton Museum. I am now determined...
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        Re: Northern Earth 112 Midwinter 2008 edition out now by Runemage on Friday, 29 November 2013
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        Please let us know what you find, I'm quite intrigued now. Because of all of the publicity and tests for verification given to the Nebra disc, if this one exists, why wasn't it tested alongside it? Looking forward to hearing what you discover.
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        Re: Northern Earth 112 Midwinter 2008 edition out now by Anonymous on Friday, 29 November 2013
        Greetings Guy,A copper disc with gold infilled indentations was unearthed in a cist at Bradwell it was mentioned that it was sent to Buxton Free Library in the distant past.Maybe it got sent to Glossop with the Mouselow stones when they were returned.



        I messaged yesterdayabout seeing the disc in Glossop Heritage Center.



        Spica from tHE BRH

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          Re: Northern Earth 112 Midwinter 2008 edition out now by Blingo_von_Trumpenstein on Saturday, 30 November 2013
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          Thanks Spica. Hope you are well. I've emailed them too.
          The Nebra disc was made public in 2002 and the cyberia.org.uk website was created in 2004. Manchester museum know nothing about the Mouselow disc but they did confirm their records for selling the Mouselow stones to Buxton Museum. They recently rediscovered a large Langdale axe in their Botany collection !
          Do you know anymore about the disc found at Bradwell?
          I hope we find an answer to this one...
          Post back if you manage to contact the Heritage Centre through email.
          Rock on
          Blingo
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            Re: Northern Earth 112 Midwinter 2008 edition out now by Anonymous on Saturday, 30 November 2013
            I talked to a man that used to help at the Heritage Centre,to try and find out where the copper disc was,

            Unless reclaimed by lenders,

            he said lots of items were taken to be stored in a warehouse owwned by a local buisnessman.

            He did not know of any inventory lists being kept.

            Spica
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            'Mouselow Sky DIsc by Blingo_von_Trumpenstein on Monday, 02 December 2013
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            Hello all.
            Just had an email from the Glossop Heritage Centre. The disc has never existed and is an internet hoax. They were categorical in their reply and seem to be getting a bit fed up with people asking them...now back to the real world - stopping any more quarrying on Stanton Moor...
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          "Bradwell disc" info by Blingo_von_Trumpenstein on Saturday, 30 November 2013
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          Found some info on the Bradwell find:

          Courtesy of: http://texts.wishful-thinking.org.uk/Evans1912/ChapterI.html

          "opposite the Newburgh Arms Inn, discovered a sepulchral cist of gritstone slabs containing male adult bones (supposed to be pre-Roman), leaden “spindle whorl”, iron spearhead, about seven inches long, copper button, and a Roman coin. The spearhead and whorl were placed in the Buxton Museum. A week or two later the workmen found a copper coin of 1738, and a three shilling bank token of the reign of George III., 1815. The spindle whorl was one inch diameter and about quarter of an inch thick, and its upper surface was decorated with five raised fillets, and the button consisted of a disc of copper about quarter of an inch in diameter with a small ring attached to the back. It was decorated with small hollows, inlaid with gold."

          So seems like a 6mm diameter possibly Iron age copper button with inlaid gold...perhaps not a Sky Disc...keep looking...
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      Re: Northern Earth 112 Midwinter 2008 edition out now by Blingo_von_Trumpenstein on Monday, 02 December 2013
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      To Anon - This is not true. It has never been anywhere - it does not exist. Why are you lying to us? The Glossop Heritage Centre state categorically that the Mouselow Disc has NEVER EXISTED. It is an internet hoax. Perhaps you started this hoax?
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        Re: Northern Earth 112 Midwinter 2008 edition out now by Anonymous on Friday, 07 October 2016
        RE the Mouselow plan. The large flat stone surrounded by river pebbles had a hole at the corner underneath was a void.

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          Re: Northern Earth 112 Midwinter 2008 edition out now by Anonymous on Friday, 08 February 2019
          Glossop Heritage Centre ran for many years and objects in the display come and go as do volunteers.

          The cyberia website claims the disc was assayed by Cookson a bullion company (which still exists in Birmingham) and found to contain Cornish gold and copper. This was supposedly in 1998 long before the Nebra disc was discovered. There was an excavation conducted over several years in the 1960s at Mouselow (Derbyshire Archaeological Journal archive). Glossop Heritage Centre had the excavation notes. M. Brown mentioned keeping 'a watching brief' on the site.

          Now for the spooky bit. If you draw a line between Mouselow Castle and Melandra Castle and extend it right over Torside Castle on the moors above Woodhead it's yards from where the USAF Flying Superfortress crashed due to 'navigational error'. Carry it east over the moors and it crosses Stocksbridge Bypass notorious for accidents and unexplained happenings.

          A bit more research needed? We've no idea what the sky discs are for, just that they've each got a 'sun ship' on them.
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            Re: Northern Earth 112 Midwinter 2008 edition out now by Anonymous on Saturday, 18 January 2020
            Actually it's not Cornish gold and copper. That's the Nebra disk.

            Gold from Ashanti mines in West Africa on an ancient disk, as Mouselow disk claims is impossible. On a modern replica, yes!
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