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Multi-periodSite Name: Carngoedog Alternative Name: Carn Goedog
Country: Wales County: Pembrokeshire Type: Ancient Mine, Quarry or other Industry
Nearest Town: Cardigan  Nearest Village: Crymych
Map Ref: SN1283133283
Latitude: 51.966428N  Longitude: 4.725941W
Condition:
5Perfect
4Almost Perfect
3Reasonable but with some damage
2Ruined but still recognisable as an ancient site
1Pretty much destroyed, possibly visible as crop marks
0No data.
-1Completely destroyed
 4 Ambience:
5Superb
4Good
3Ordinary
2Not Good
1Awful
0No data.
 3 Access:
5Can be driven to, probably with disabled access
4Short walk on a footpath
3Requiring a bit more of a walk
2A long walk
1In the middle of nowhere, a nightmare to find
0No data.
 3 Accuracy:
5co-ordinates taken by GPS or official recorded co-ordinates
4co-ordinates scaled from a detailed map
3co-ordinates scaled from a bad map
2co-ordinates of the nearest village
1co-ordinates of the nearest town
0no data
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Carngoedog submitted by mountainman : Site in Wales: Carngoedog, now identified as the main source for the spotted dolerite bluestones found at Stonehenge grid ref: SN 128332 (Vote or comment on this photo)
Spotted Dolerite Tor in Pembrokeshire. Carngoedog has been identified as the main source for the spotted dolerite bluestones used at Stonehenge.

Comment by mountainman - originally reported in 2008: It's now thought to have been the main outcrop from which the spotted dolerite bluestones at Stonehenge have come.

For mountainman's most recent thinking on this, please see his comment dated 11th October 2019 below, where, after extensive research, he revises this to: "The Carn Goedog spotted dolerite sill, which covers a vast area on the north slope of Mynydd Preseli, is now thought to be the most likely source for much of the spotted dolerite debitage at Stonehenge".

The comments section also includes further thoughts and discussions on this subject.

Note: New research has confirmed that many of the bluestones use to buld Stonehenge came from this hill over a mile away from Carn Meini - previously assumed to be their source
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Carngoedog submitted by Postman : Carn Goedog (2 comments - Vote or comment on this photo)

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Carngoedog submitted by PERKYPUFFIN : where it is now believed up to eleven of the Stonehenge bluestones originated. (1 comment - Vote or comment on this photo)

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Carngoedog submitted by Postman : About as far from madding crowd as it's possible to get (Vote or comment on this photo)

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Carngoedog submitted by Postman : The good thing about taking stone from up here is it's pretty much all down hill to where ever you go. (Vote or comment on this photo)

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Carngoedog submitted by Postman : Stonehenge bluestone quarry or not this is an awesome place.

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Carngoedog submitted by Horatio : On the Carn Goedog rock outcrop - part dressed (?) large bluestone. This was is a big stone about 14ft long ready to go. Be nice to think this being an abandoned stone for a circle. I can't foresee why someone would need such a massive stone otherwise, a bit big and heavy for a door lintel. It can be seen by its location amongst small rocks this has been moved in the past, just how far past? (1 comment)

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Carngoedog submitted by DeborahWales : Looking west from Foel Drygarn (1 comment)

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Carngoedog submitted by DeborahWales : Carn Goedog viewed from Foel Drygarn on 29 November 2014 (2 comments)

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Carngoedog submitted by Couplands : Viewed from south

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Carngoedog submitted by AP_Southsea_UK : Failed to quite reach Carn Goedog as fast moving fog is covering the Presili hills forcing return to Mynachlog-ddu, Clynderwen SA66 7SN

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Carngoedog submitted by Postman : Carn Goedog and Waun Mawn (1 comment)

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Carngoedog submitted by Postman : Mike woz ere

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Carngoedog submitted by Postman : The hill in the distance on the far right is of course Waun Mawn, the site of a now mostly gone large stone circle, where did it go I hear you ask.

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Carngoedog submitted by Postman : You silly ass you broke it, now go and get another one.

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Carngoedog submitted by Postman : You know what that looks like don't you?

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Carngoedog submitted by Postman : That looks controversial that does

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Carngoedog submitted by Postman : Here be stones, plenty of stones.

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Carngoedog submitted by Horatio : Carn Goedog - interesting site with several cracks with wedge stones. This view shows the (dressed?) stone looking up at the outcrop. Just can't help myself listening to the stones ring, almost becomes addictive.

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Re: Carngoedog by mountainman on Friday, 11 October 2019
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Hi folks

Re this at the head of this site description: "Comment by mountainman - originally reported in 2008: It's now thought to have been the main outcrop from which the spotted dolerite bluestones at Stonehenge have come." I may have said this back in 2008, but i don't believe it any longer, having done a lot of work in the area, and having read the geology papers very carefully. I think the most that can be said is this: "The Carn Goedog spotted dolerite sill, which covers a vast area on the north slope of Mynydd Preseli, is now thought to be the most likely source for much of the spotted dolerite debitage at Stonehenge."

I think your label should not be "ancient quarry" but "spotted dolerite tor."
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    Re: Carngoedog by Anne T on Friday, 11 October 2019
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    Thanks for the update, mountainman. I've amended the 'label' to 'spotted dolerite tor' but the nearest 'site type' in the header for the page is still 'Ancient Quarry'. I've also added a sentence in the main text directing people to your today's comment. If you want any changes, just post another comment here. Thanks again for the update - really interesting.
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Stonehenge pillars were carried 230km over land by davidmorgan on Tuesday, 19 February 2019
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The location of the two monolith quarries, according to the archaeologists, undermines the theory that the stones were taken to Wiltshire by sea, instead suggesting the two-ton blocks, up to 80 in number, were dragged or carried over land.
The Guardian.
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Megalith quarries for Stonehenge’s bluestones - Mike Parker Pearson et al by Andy B on Friday, 05 October 2018
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Megalith quarries for Stonehenge’s bluestones - Mike Parker Pearson, Josh Pollard, Colin Richards, Kate Welham, Chris Casswell, Duncan Schlee, Dave Shaw, Ellen Simmons, Adam Stanford, Richard Bevins & Rob Ixer

Geologists have long known that Stonehenge is formed of two main types of stone: a silcrete, known as ‘sarsen’, was used for the large trilithons, sarsen circle and other monoliths, and a variety of ‘bluestones’ was used for the smaller standing stones, which were erected in an inner ‘horseshoe’ and an outer circle. Of these 43 bluestone pillars, some 27 are of spotted dolerite known as ‘preselite’ – an igneous blue-green rock characteristically speckled with ovate patches of pale-coloured secondary minerals –
which can be provenanced in Britain only to the Preseli hills (Mynydd
Preseli) in north Pembrokeshire, west Wales, about 230km away from Salisbury Plain

More at
https://eprints.soton.ac.uk/421631/1/Megalith_quarries_Antiquity_REVISED.pdf
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Re: Carngoedog by Anonymous on Sunday, 09 July 2017
Hello, I was thinking of going here at some point and I was wondering if anybody knew where I could park a small car and walk to it? Also, need to know if there is a path that takes you to it or if it is on private land.
Thanks.
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Re: Carngoedog by sem on Tuesday, 13 June 2017
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[updated. thanks. admin] OSGR from Archwiio SN1283133283
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Re: Carngoedog by Andy B on Thursday, 08 September 2016
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JJ writes: Here’s my poem: ‘Carn Goedog’ following a visit there a couple of weeks ago. I hope you like it:

Carn Goedog
August 2016


I am here all alone on a mountain in Presceli.
My audience -
a crop of grey stones and pink mountain heather,
are all that provide me with solitude and comfort.

It's sunny and peaceful,
the air crystal clear and as silent as the blue sky;
prompting conjecture
of the men who pried and prayed here long ago.

I have come in search of the famous bluestone -
spotted dolerite -
used by the ancients
for pillars of their great Gaiaan temple: Stonehenge.

Set around the mighty trilithons,
they form a harmonious ring
from which the power of Gaia could be drawn.

I sit contemplative,
the mountain scenery elicits thoughts.
A Silver-studded blue butterfly lands close by -
so close - I can almost touch it.
I lean forward, for it is quite small.
Wings slowly open, close, then open again -
absorbing sun's warm energy.
It searches for nectar.

I too am searching.
Not for nectar, but for attunement.
I am overwhelmed by an intense feeling of euphoria;
Visions of another world, another time, flash in front of me.

Did Mother Earth just embrace my soul
or was it the wing beat of the Silver-studded blue?

JJ Evendon
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    Re: Carngoedog - JJ's poem by AngieLake on Friday, 09 September 2016
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    Thank you JJ, that was beautiful. Can imagine how wonderful that moment felt for you.
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Re: Carngoedog by PAB on Thursday, 21 November 2013
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If you want to get your bearings, this outcrop is the one which can be seen under the arrow below 'Preselli Hills' on the photo already on the Portal - http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=a312&file=index&do=showpic&pid=74012&orderby=

Looks like being a nice day tomorrow, so I will try and get up there and post a few photos - wonder if there are any other Portal members I might bump into?

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Origin of Stonehenge's blue stones pinpointed in Pembrokeshire by Andy B on Wednesday, 20 November 2013
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New research has established that stones from Wales were definitely used in the building of one of the world’s best known prehistoric sites at Stonehenge – but that they came from a hill a mile away from the place previously assumed to be their source.

A team of three geologists including Dr Richard Bevins, Keeper of Natural Sciences at the National Museum of Wales in Cardiff, have identified a hill called Carn Goedog, about three miles from Crymrch in the Preseli Hills of Pembrokeshire, as the site from which 11 stones known as spotted dolerites were somehow transported to Stonehenge in Wiltshire.

Together with his colleagues Dr Rob Ixer of University College, London and Professor Nick Pearce of Aberystwyth, Dr Bevins will next year have a peer-reviewed paper published by the prestigious Journal of Archaological Science.

He told the Western Mail: “This is an incredibly exciting project and we didn’t want to announce our findings before they had been properly evaluated in advance of publication. We got confirmation last week that they have been verified. There was a delay of six months after we submitted the research paper and you always worry there’s a possibility they will come back with something that will cast doubt on your work. Getting such positive feedback was a great relief.”

Dr Bevins, one of the world’s leading authorities on volcanic rocks, has been studying the Preseli Hills since he was a PhD student in the late 1970s. For the latest research, he and his colleagues took as their starting point a groundbreaking paper published by the academic HH Thomas in 1923 which first put forward the theory that the so-called blue stones of Stonehenge came from Pembrokeshire. Thomas expressed the view that the stones came from another Preseli hill called Carn Meini, a mile away from Carn Goedog – and ever since archaeologists have assumed that to be the case.

More at
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/origin-stonehenges-blue-stones-pinpointed-6317230
and see also
http://www.theguardian.com/culture/2013/nov/20/archaeologists-stonehenge-origins-wrong-place?commentpage=1
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Chips off the old block: The Stonehenge Debitage Dilemma by Andy B on Wednesday, 20 November 2013
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CHIPS OFF THE OLD BLOCK: THE STONEHENGE DEBITAGE DILEMMA
by Rob Ixer and Richard Bevins

In a change in emphasis away from determining the ultimate geographical origin of the Stonehenge bluestones (but complementing this work) this paper discusses the relative position of the standing stones and their debris within Stonehenge and it immediate environs.

This is the first paper to discuss in any detail the loose lithic bluestone material ‘debitage’ and further to try to relate the distribution of this abundant material to the standing/ lying and buried orthostats.

Debris from the Altar Stone and orthostats Stonehenge 48 and 38 have been recognised and found to be numerically very rare but widely distributed throughout the Stonehenge Landscape and not just close to their parent stone. However, as most of the occurrences are in disturbed archaeological contexts it is not possible to say when they were separated.

The very common and very widely distributed ‘ rhyolite with fabric’ debitage, identified by Ixer and Bevins as coming from Craig Rhosyfelin, is not associated with any above-ground orthostat but may be from buried orthostat SH32d or SH32e.

It is suggested that relating spotted dolerite to a named orthostat may be difficult but the forthcoming paper by Bevins et al may indicate that this might become easier.

It may be that post medieval collecting is responsible for the distribution of the rare named orthostat debris. But this may not be so for the Craig Rhosyfelin debris.

A suggested order for the sampling of the buried orthostats is given and a plea is made for this to happen.

With thanks to Brian John for the info

http://brian-mountainman.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/chips-off-old-block-stonehenge-debitage.html
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Re: Carngoedog by Anonymous on Saturday, 07 February 2009
What fun this site. Only just found, shall be out with OS and wellies when weather improves. Thanks for all your imput, Granny page
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