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|  Posted 20-08-2014 at 16:37
Rivierawriter,
Read page 12 carefully in notebook 4.
Your question is answered there.
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| Posted 21-08-2014 at 17:17
I think I have posted before about this but I'm going to repeat because it may add something .
The different types of stone at Stonehenge come from very different backgrounds . The Sarsens are sedimentary , and so are formed over a very long time scale in a relatively gentle way , and are probably the result of earlier sedimentary rocks eroding and reforming once again , possibly several times .
The Bluestones are formed violently in a relatively short time scale , and are made up of a mixture of things , all rammed together and spewed from the bowels of the earth.
While our ancestors almost certainly knew nothing of this , there may be something about these different types that they were aware of , and possibly they were experimenting with the interactions between the stones and the environment. There could be a practical reason for surrounding the Bluestones with Sarsens in the final phases of Stonehenge , perhaps in the sense of a kind of balancing or energising of some kind .
Just a thought.
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| Posted 21-08-2014 at 18:30
Would anyone be interested to start to collate the rock types for stones at specific sites?
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| Posted 21-08-2014 at 18:34
On a related subject, if you sign up for Academia.org you can read these:
A detailed re-examination of the petrography of the Altar Stone and other non-sarsen sandstones from Stonehenge as a guide to their provenancemore
by Robert Ixer
https://www.academia.edu/8004454/A_detailed_re-examination_of_the_petrography_of_the_Altar_Stone_and_other_non-sarsen_sandstones_from_Stonehenge_as_a_guide_to_their_provenance
DETAILED PROVENANCING OF THE STONEHENGE DOLERITES USING REFLECTED LIGHT PETROGRAPHY -A RETURN TO THE LIGHT
by Robert Ixer
https://www.academia.edu/8004460/DETAILED_PROVENANCING_OF_THE_STONEHENGE_DOLERITES_USING_REFLECTED_LIGHT_PETROGRAPHY_-A_RETURN_TO_THE_LIGHT
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| Posted 21-08-2014 at 19:39
Cerrig,
Molten lava as it sets takes on in its crystaline structure FIELD relative to where it sets.
This link talks about such, and magnetic field.
Perhaps there are more fields than currently recognised???
And that the setting period of all rocksis encoded within them?
http://phys.org/news141575305.html
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| Posted 22-08-2014 at 09:27
Over the years I have studied these sites, mainly from afar I'm afraid, and they are extremely well documented with a myriad of explanations as to their use. But only a few tell us what type of stone was used. I would have thought that this was the one basic starting point for all. What type of stone? Are all the stones the same? Where were they quarried or were they just convenient shards left over from the ice? Were they carried a long way i.e., over a mile?
And all followed by the one big question of WHY????
If there is just one different stone that came from afar then surely that must be significant? At Stonehenge they brought the Bluestones from Wales. Why? Surely if it was to do with just the sun or a religious ritual the whole thing could have been left in wood. But it was not. Someone was able to identify the need for the bluestones and then was able to source them from such a distance. How? And always 'WHY'?
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| Posted 22-08-2014 at 10:11
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| Why? Surely if it was to do with just the sun or a religious ritual the whole thing could have been left in wood. But it was not. Someone was able to identify the need for the bluestones and then was able to source them from such a distance. How? And always 'WHY'? |
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Indeed.
One other thing to perhaps consider is motivation: At any time in our period, the strongest motivator is survival. But there are other motivators which might be feasible. Religion is usually cited in the event that no logical pattern can be found.
If you can find a reasonable explanation for some of the older monuments, which aids whatever motivation you have selected and has an over-whelming design advantage if constructed in stone, you may well have found what all this was about and how it developed. Whether or not you can afford to publish your findings is an entirely different story: This is the thing you may perhaps lose the most sleep over.
Good luck with it all!
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| Posted 22-08-2014 at 10:55
Some sites are located where types of bluestone and granitics occur naturally. At the fault lines there are magnetic anomalies, judicious placing of different types of rock, sizes, shapes and distances manipulates the local electro magnetic fields.
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| Posted 22-08-2014 at 11:33
The previous post was a stab at the "How" this one a tilt at the "Why". In my opinion the production of "frissions" of different types, why these were important I don't know but perhaps Shamanistic or Genus Loci etc.
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| Posted 22-08-2014 at 18:54
Rivierawriter,
HOW.....
A quick description of dowsing....
Radio and antennae.
Consider the myriad of signals a radio can pickup.
Then think of how You have to attune the radio to specific signals, and how You often have to move the aireal.
The dowser operates on recognition of what he/she attunes to.
Our ancestors were likely highly motivated hunters.
Take finding flint in isolation......
Think of flint after becoming attuned to flint....then simply follow the signal given off by flint to locate such.
Everything in creation has its own unique signature that is attunable to.
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| Posted 23-08-2014 at 16:08
it's one of my primary interests having been a geology graduate.
two points;
the UK has a vast history of glaciation. rocks were picked up and dumped many hundreds of miles from their 'birth' place- they are known as glacial erractics
point 2
the UK has had a long and violent geological history. the landscape is cut by features such as 'Sills' and 'Dykes' and 'Lacoliths' etc.. these are rocks of magmatic/volcanic/igneous origins that are emplaced/injected into the local 'country' rock. phenomena such as 'thrust faulting' can place a sandstone from tens of miles away on top of a limestone or a schist for example. there are a number of other ways that rock types are found away from their place of origin.
.. in conclusion it is not in any way unusual to find rock types of different origins, in geological time/in geography and formation juxtaposed against one another in the landscape.
here's one for the OPs gazeteer; the site of 'Gamelands' in Westmorland has one stone of a different type than the rest.
[ This message was edited by: aknifethatfellfromthesky on 2014-08-23 17:03 ]
[ This message was edited by: aknifethatfellfromthesky on 2014-08-23 17:07 ]
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| Posted 24-08-2014 at 20:05
Aknifethatfellfromthesky.
Nothing FALLS.
The violent displacement and transmutation of materials is indeed central to this thread, but with respect I would venture to offer a vastly different understanding of the causes of, and conseques of what causes that, and the present results we now observe.
If You take volcanic actions and earthquakes as two examples.
I would suggest these are electrically based , as is hot and cold, and that electricity itself is not understood AT ALL.
That there is no force called gravity, it been a consequence of the two opposing spin charges that in overload situation cause earthquakes and volcanic reactions.
And those two opposing spin charges are what the WHY is centred on relative to megaliths.
That no-thing moves, or falls , it is displacement that occurs relative to the two spin flows, and that the wind is not BLOWING.
The wind is the atoms of atmosphere reacting and displacing relative to the two spin flows.
That the specific materials utilised may indeed have been displaced in location during violent overload times due to the very crystaline makeup of the materials interacting relative to the violent overloads causing them to be attracted or repulsed in location.
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| Posted 24-08-2014 at 22:59
The original poster (Rivierrawriter) took the time and effort to write a book on this topic.
Maybe you should do the same?
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| Posted 25-08-2014 at 11:40
Thank you Akinththtret etc, this is just what I want. Individual circles or straight lines with just one or two stones that either 'should not or need not' be there. I've looked up Gamelands and it is made up of granite rocks. Do you know the make up of the odd one? Getting it from the tourist board or English Heritage is like getting blood from said stone.
Cropready. I've read all you've written and tried to take it on board but, to be frank my friend, I hardly understand a word that you are saying. I wonder whether you could answer these questions, which should be up your street, in as plain English as possible?
1. Can you categorically identify one place where you approach with your dowsing rod and it is still. When you approach it does what dowsing rods do and then as you cross the spot it reverts to being still again?
2. How wide is the area of activity?
3. Exactly where on the map does this occur?
Knowing a few exact spots would help a lot. And again, No, I do not deride or despise your approach, I just wish I could get what you are trying to say.
As has been said, yes, I did write the book and yes a second edition will happen with all this in it. You will all get a credit as well.
Thanks for your interest.
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| Posted 25-08-2014 at 18:01
the single one is a limestone. gamelands is built near to a geologic contact between the limestone and igneous granite complexes.
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| Posted 25-08-2014 at 19:04
Rivierawriter,
You are in good company, and a large company in not comprehending a word I write.
It is My largest challenge to verbalise that which is none visable.
Dowsing is the ability to attune to what is detectable, and to vary that attunement similer to adjusting the dial on a radio.
You cannot percieve of radio signals.....well there are far far more signals that living entities can detect.
Our thoughts are emmiting and returning via the palms of our hands, the rods merely react to the field directions that are attuned to.
You ask about rocks, thus if I dowse a rock I attune to that rock....NOTHING ELSE, I can then locally check how that rock( it's detectable field ) symbiotically interacts with whatever is resident to where it is located.
It is this symbiotic interaction and local manipulation of the resident system that wood and rocks were utilised to vary.
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| Posted 25-08-2014 at 20:12
If you don't know about it already, Brian John's site contains a wealth of information about stones glaciation and so on. It also contains some (limited) references on stone types
http://brian-mountainman.blogspot.co.uk/
Worth a look for the sort of thing you have in mind
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| Posted 26-08-2014 at 03:35
Prestige and awe, an observation that if someone is constructing a "pristine" monument nothing but the best materials will do ie Stonehenge, Newgrange etc, therefore the "best" materials need to be resourced from far and wide, preferably at great human cost ie dragged by teams of pregnant women, half of whom perished en route, the survivors giving birth to golden eyed offspring by immaculate conception, who then went on to collect the bluestones. The mixture of myth and reality, on a more even keel, trawling through stuff about Newgrange I seem to recall green pebbles and other remotely resourced material.
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| Posted 26-08-2014 at 03:51
Knife, Riviera,
Try to conceptualise the odd type of rock present as being the "cats Whisker" on a crystal radio, used to fine tune reception and you may begin an insight to what Cropredy is attempting to convey.
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| Posted 26-08-2014 at 09:55
There is an old adage in business that says that if you ask another person to help you decide between two options you end up having to decide between three. And so it seems to be the case here. The more info I get, the muddier the waters become.
I've read the various theories about how the bluestones got to Stonehenge and am far from convinced. The one question no one seems to either ask or answer is how supposedly Stone Age people were able to identify and source specific rocks. I'm thinking here of the gritstone monolith in the Devils Arrows at Boroughbridge which came from Plompton Rocks some ten miles away. To transport that across heavilly wooded terrain including the River Nidd must have been a monumental task. Why?
I'm not just looking at monoliths and circles but at the bigger picture of how and why the ancients built the Pyramids, Thornborough and now the sites on Orkney. Amongst many others. Have any of you seen the National Geographic article on Orkney? The pictures are superb but one screamed out at me. It was the interior of Maeshow burial chamber. Bear in mind that this is supposed to pre-date Stonehenge and that they only had flints to work with yet with those flints ['Mohs 7] they were able to trim to perfection exact right angles on sandstone blocks [again Mohs7]. The gaps in the walls are perfect right angles with beautifully cut and trimmed stone, all using a piece of flint. HMMMM.
Not even Colin Richards' lengthy tome picks this up or is it just a very awkward question? I'm good at awkward questions.
If in doubt just try this with a modern hammer and cold chisel on any piece of rock.
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