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 Posted 07-05-2007 at 00:10   
paulcmuir writes: There are many publicised ideas of orbs,what they are but many of them fall short of the mark. A number of years ago i decided to carry out my own research, in all i probably have taken in excess of 60,0000 digital images, to be truthful the true figure could be double that.

All of these images have been categorised methodically and during those years we started to understand their process . We then undertook video research adopting the same scientific approach. What we discovered gave evidence that this process of orbs energy and mists is central to the creation of our universe, and behaves and looks like images from the mathematical theories that have yet to be proven. We believe that our research will within the next decade will take string theory from just that, a theory to a provable science.

These ideas fly in the face of all the other ideas on the subject. Our research stands out on its own and our book which is still under consideration with the publishers will blow the current concepts apart. I must say whilst undertaking this personal project i have challenged many concepts that i once thought to be the absolute truth.

This study project which is presented in our forthcoming book brings some of the oldest knowledge known to man together and again will open up new fields of research. What is amazing is that ancient prehistoric man understood and used this energy for healing.

The Bronze age rock art image has been taken from the book and is included for the photographic experts and doubters who believe that the orb phenomenon has little or no value in studying. In the book i pose the question did the bronze age man have digital cameras, as these orb particles have been explained by dust, water , pollen in front of the cameras lens.




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Paul's photo to accompany this article is here
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=a312&file=index&do=showpic&pid=29688&orderby=




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What we discovered gave evidence that this process of orbs energy and mists is central to the creation of our universe...

What is amazing is that ancient prehistoric man understood and used this energy for healing.





How do you know that orb energy is central to creation of universe or that the energy was used for healing?

Why do should these cup marks represent orbs rather other round objects?

Why are dust, rain, pollen etc not enough to explain the orb mystery?






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 Posted 07-05-2007 at 14:23   
I am somewhat fortunate that Paul sent me a draft copy of his works to look through on disc.( one dyslexic to another )
I have seen some of the photo's that Paul has not published also.
He is a fabulous man, with insights that not many others are capable of.
If you could consider what exactly light is , instead of just relying on what ours eyes presently are capable of seeing.
I consider and it is my opinion, that light is a consequence of inward and outward crossing flows of charge of positive and negatives.
That a constant and variable state of transfer is ongoing between what are basically magnets, namely the sun, its planets and their moons and further out stars.
As these transfers are constantly varying, there is no way to know what the releative flows of these may have been at differing times in history.
The didgital cameras may simply be revealing what could have been easily and clearly visable to ancient mankinds eye's.
As I also consider that gravity is due to exactly the same in/out flows, we again have no idea as to what the relative gravity conditions may have been at the same times.
I have the utmost confidence in the works of Paul muir, it is all outside of accepted understanding and science, but the man himself is that also.

Nothing stays the same, and everything is at the dictates of the sequence of the celestial bodies, I would recommend you do not dismiss this man lightly, just because he sees and knows things others don't , does not mean he is wrong.
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Hi LB -

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On 2007-05-07 12:05, Laughing_Ball wrote:
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Why are dust, rain, pollen etc not enough to explain the orb mystery?





Note that such a simple question doesn't elicit an answer.

Instead, very misperceived notions of quantum fields and its emergence into electromagnetics come to the fore (though not quite sure Kev's aware of it).

Orbs are nonsense I'm afraid. Sad to say, but they are. Now "earthlight" phenomena - that's a different kettle o' fish...

More tea vicar..!?

Cheers - Paul




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 Posted 07-05-2007 at 15:32   
You can get these things with film or digital cameras, but they really come into their own with digital.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orb_(paranormal)

In fact, they are so easy to film (and so easy to explain) that most "ghost hunting" groups now publish elaborate crieteria to separate "true" paranormal orbs and "false" dustmote/raindrop orbs.
One of many examples of ghost group "warnings" about orbs.:
http://www.prairieghosts.com/trouble.html




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 Posted 07-05-2007 at 15:44   
...unless amongst the fluff and debris there are micro size UFO's flying about?




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 Posted 07-05-2007 at 16:14   
Brigantia,
My brother is a camera buff, and He explained in great detail all the problems with didgital cameras and their lenses etc.
If you apply current science and explanations to most things, a solution can be found that answers all unknowns, it is the same in the crop circle world, where every effort is made to explain the circles as mere hoaxes.
The thing is, what if the science is partly flawed?
Or better , partly unknown?
I prefer the word electrogravitics, as I feel it is there that truths that the eyes can't see will be found.
And in this strange understanding of gravity and light, there lies the understanding of why water would flow uphill as percieved by your eyes, but in reality would be flowing towards a decrease in gravity, achieved by the capatitance of large materials arranged in certain dimensions relevant to celestial bodies positions.
Imagine if underground water suddenly flowed uphill and filled all around Avebury?
All the men of fine words would be dumbstruck, and gaze in wonder as little stone pebbles would float to the top.
Viktor Schauberger could explain why, but it would be at night, when you would best obseve it, as are the orbs and the incoming and outgoing energies that are responsible for them, and water will assist them, its the hydrogen that counts.
It's an electrical universe, nothing is solid , and everything is transperant to space, in the blink of an eye, vast areas of this planets surface could be dissolved and transferred off onto another planet.
Any remaining would be plunged back into stone age, and the wheel starts rolling again.
Men of great wordsmith would then tell tales of great fire from the sky , and wrap it all up into religions to control those left, by means of fear .

Paul muir is not afraid, he was pronounced dead on many occasions, he knows what he saw, and is not afraid, neither am I, especially of words.
He struggles with words, as do I, but it is not his words that matter, it is his knowledge beyond words.
He is one of a tiny minority, that I recognise.
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Hi Kev -

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On 2007-05-07 16:14, cropredy wrote:
If you apply current science and explanations to most things, a solution can be found that answers all unknowns, it is the same in the crop circle world, where every effort is made to explain the circles as mere hoaxes.
The thing is, what if the science is partly flawed?
Or better , partly unknown?




Please don't pre-suppose that because I hold a different opinion, that I evidently hold hard-and-fast to all in the current scientific schema. I don't. Nor, in all honesty, do any scientists worth their salt. Scientists are "enquirers" - enquirers into the Nature of Things, no less. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone who thinks otherwise is rather misguided. And any and every scientific principle holds true until, or if, another framework comes along and supercedes it. The history of science itself shows us this.

We have the occasional 'religious convert' to science on here, espousing rules and regulations based on their ideas of what they believe (yeah, there's the word, believe) science represents, but on the whole they're holding onto little other than a framework of ideas, replicable in labs and via mathematics, still living in Victorian times. And, with respect, I think your constant condemnation of science perhaps has the same limitation imposed on it. There is a lotta value in such a methodology (your computer, etc, for example). The confusion seems to emerge between how we relate to Nature itself - or rather, NOT relate to Nature these days, yet try and work out how our ancestors did. The dowsing rods are just another tool for exploring Nature's hidden mysteries, just as particle accelorators are - just 2 ways out of thousands of exploring the same thing. It just seems that some folk think they're way of looking at it all has greater validity. Try not to fall into the same shallow trap of your nemesis. Science is an excellent tool. Utilize it sometimes and you'll move much further, quicker.

...And I think one rule for working out whether the science you're looking at is crap or otherwise, is simple: when it loses it's beauty and wonder, it's not quite right! Einstein taught me that when I was a kid - and I've found it to be true. But then, I s'ppose, we could put that down to the way in which some people, more than others, relate to the world around them.

Cheers - Paul




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 Posted 08-05-2007 at 11:45   

Another interesting picture! But the orbs could be any number of ordinary things couldn't they, without resorting to non ordinary speculation?

I would love to know what they are doing though. It looks like even the dogs (?) are playing with the orbs!

I don't suppose it could be rain after a drought? Did they have severe dry spells then in that region?
Or maybe one of those showers of strange things like frogs, or fruit or something.

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 Posted 08-05-2007 at 15:55   
(Or ball lightning. Or standing, looking up at stars. Or a symbolic depliction of speech or thought...)




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Paul's photo:
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=a312&file=index&do=showpic&pid=29806&orderby=




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 Posted 08-05-2007 at 17:29   
They even had bloody jugglers in those days!




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On 2007-05-07 17:04, brigantia wrote:

Scientists are "enquirers" - enquirers into the Nature of Things, no less. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone who thinks otherwise is rather misguided.



That much makes sense, science does celebrate the capabilities of the human brain, not the 'powers' of the person.

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And any and every scientific principle holds true until, or if, another framework comes along and supercedes it. The history of science itself shows us this.



That really only stands firm when applied to science working on a very large scale or a very small scale. For the 'medium' scale ie. to the limits of our senses and most instruments, an amazingly large body of work has held true since the very dawn of the principles of true scientific study. Outside that medium scale, the jury is still very much out but there's no end of imposters and jokers ready to step in and fill the gaps with rubbish.


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The dowsing rods are just another tool for exploring Nature's hidden mysteries, just as particle accelorators are - just 2 ways out of thousands of exploring the same thing. It just seems that some folk think they're way of looking at it all has greater validity.




What is even more obvious is that 'other' methods of modelling reality ie. intuition, revelation, divination, philosophical ponderings and simple tradition have gone into free-fall where science has had extraordinary and tangible success.

No other, ahem, 'discipline' has so much one way traffic of converts and no other discipline has a success rate that would even appear on a scale next to the sciences.

So to say 'science' is just one way of arriving at a model of reality where 'alternatives' are just another side of the coin with comparable worth is either exceptionally disingenuous or plain ignorant. It's worth remembering that much of scientific work arrives at conclusions that are often opposite to the original hypothesis and/or counter-intuitive.

The vast majority of what passes for alternatives here seems to be curiously successful at confirming an original faith based belief. That should smell suspicious to any rational thinker straight away, but not here, leaps of faith and confirmation by thinking out loud are celebrated instead.

I'd have to ask if someone who weighs a mountain of scientific advances, predictions and results on one hand and a blob of unprovable, disprovable theorising and mumbo-jumbo on the other and calls it a draw truly is delusional or not.

To see the hard results of the scientific fields you only have to look around the room you are sitting in, the only thing repeatable I've seen about dowsing/intuition/divination etc. are the mildly humorous videos on YouTube. Feel free to correct me, with examples not rhetoric.






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On 2007-05-08 19:49, KenWilliams wrote:
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On 2007-05-07 17:04, brigantia wrote:

Scientists are "enquirers" - enquirers into the Nature of Things, no less. Nothing more, nothing less. Anyone who thinks otherwise is rather misguided.



That much makes sense, science does celebrate the capabilities of the human brain, not the 'powers' of the person.

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And any and every scientific principle holds true until, or if, another framework comes along and supercedes it. The history of science itself shows us this.



That really only stands firm when applied to science working on a very large scale or a very small scale. For the 'medium' scale ie. to the limits of our senses and most instruments, an amazingly large body of work has held true since the very dawn of the principles of true scientific study. Outside that medium scale, the jury is still very much out but there's no end of imposters and jokers ready to step in and fill the gaps with rubbish.


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The dowsing rods are just another tool for exploring Nature's hidden mysteries, just as particle accelorators are - just 2 ways out of thousands of exploring the same thing. It just seems that some folk think they're way of looking at it all has greater validity.




What is even more obvious is that 'other' methods of modelling reality ie. intuition, revelation, divination, philosophical ponderings and simple tradition have gone into free-fall where science has had extraordinary and tangible success.

No other, ahem, 'discipline' has so much one way traffic of converts and no other discipline has a success rate that would even appear on a scale next to the sciences.

So to say 'science' is just one way of arriving at a model of reality where 'alternatives' are just another side of the coin with comparable worth is either exceptionally disingenuous or plain ignorant. It's worth remembering that much of scientific work arrives at conclusions that are often opposite to the original hypothesis and/or counter-intuitive.

The vast majority of what passes for alternatives here seems to be curiously successful at confirming an original faith based belief. That should smell suspicious to any rational thinker straight away, but not here, leaps of faith and confirmation by thinking out loud are celebrated instead.

I'd have to ask if someone who weighs a mountain of scientific advances, predictions and results on one hand and a blob of unprovable, disprovable theorising and mumbo-jumbo on the other and calls it a draw truly is delusional or not.

To see the hard results of the scientific fields you only have to look around the room you are sitting in, the only thing repeatable I've seen about dowsing/intuition/divination etc. are the mildly humorous videos on YouTube. Feel free to correct me, with examples not rhetoric.


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Have you ever tried to dowse Ken?

You visit so many wonderful places, it would be an interesting layer to the experience of the place....




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Have you ever tried to dowse Ken?

You visit so many wonderful places, it would be an interesting layer to the experience of the place....



I tried it many years ago with my uncle who used twigs to try to locate water (though of course neither he nor I ever actually dug to see if it 'worked'). He was interested in the stones and believed they were placed in places were cattle lie because the cattle could sense underground 'forces' be it water or whatever.

Adding another 'layer' to an experience is always a good thing, there's stuff in the back of our brains that came about, perhaps for good reason, reasons no longer apparent to us now but which can and do get triggered by physical and perceptual stimulus we may not even be conciously aware of. Even something as simple as a stone or stones 'doing' something a stone has no business doing. I think monuments are an exquisite expression of just such a part of what makes us human, something abstract, a thing that is what it is, but also something other than what it is physically. But, I dont feel impoverished for not having 'more' of an experience than I already do, I dont think I need to 'sense' more than that because that would be baggage I would be bringing to the site and smothering it with rather than letting it 'breathe' it's own mystery.

Dowsing is a fine pastime, nobody gets hurt and maybe some people get more from a site than they ordinarily would do. I also think that we are not at the 'present' looking back at the past, but are in the process of moving into the past so activities today are part of the 'use' for the site viewed from tomorrow. What we do now will probably be just as mysterious in the future as what people were doing putting a circle of stones around Newgrange when it was a thousand years old. I'm not calling for a ban on dowsing or telling people they are stupid for doing it (though I naturally question conclusions drawn solely from it), I just dont agree it should be presented as something that it's not proven to be.

I'm not a fundementalist and would be actually, truly delighted to see a group of dowsers independently and verifiably map out the same set of features at the same site without conferring. That would give us a frog leap into understanding the sites. Until then I could only see it as a pastime, not a science.

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Ken Williams,
I wrote and wiped off many replies to your origonal post, many quoting Einstein, but in the end it seemed pointless.
Your latest reply to Nicola offers a glimmer of hope.
Your uncles senses were correct about the cows, I am often to be seen wandering amongst them checking exactly where , and in what direction they turn when they bed down.
The whole planet is alive and acting in a symbiotic fashion , all arranged around measurable and detectable geometric patterns.
These patterns and everything to do with them have been found and recorded by your modern science, much is not recognised and even more surpressed into secrecy.
Several great men have known, far more intelligent than Einstein, including Tesla, Kosyrev, TTBrown, Reich, Russell, Schauberger, and others, but generally they have been surpressed mainly because of the weaponisation of their findings.
The forces involved are the ultimate, and everything points to this knowledge been recognised upon a cyclable timescale that again has been surpressed from general knowledge.
The cows and almost all of nature recognises and lives with the very force that creates all, the glaring exception is ourselves.
The nuclear bomb that einstein pushed forward is a mere pin prick of the forces involved, it is based on explosion , the same as most of modern so called energy.
I have studidied Einstein carefully, his e=mc2 is in my opinion nonesense, ask yourself,
Did he know what energy is?
Did he know what Light is?
Did he know what mass is?
I consider light is a consequence of positive and negative charges passing each other, the next time you look at your shadow , consider what is happening is that positive incoming flows are been resisted by the mass of youself, not solid mass, or mass encased in a box , but resistance been offered to the free passage of charge.
Because this charge permeates everything, especially a vacuum , where less resistance is offered, it has been pronounced as not existing ( michleson and Morley )
Tesla KNEW different, and how to employ it, but business shut him up, the last one hundred plus years are the consequence.
The stones , churchs , sacred mounds and temples and pyramids are sited upon the geometric pattern of neutral lines that carry the two opposing charges of clockwise and anti-clockwise spin charges.
We are simply a by product of this system, the closest most advanced life form presently able to express this, not able to use it properly yet.
Gravity is a consequence of the self same system, and varies at these points where monuments have been left, water is a consequence and the main transfer system of downloading the incoming and existing charges.
The whole planet has developed organically around this system, any pole shifts will simply turn upon the geometric patterns and settle back down, with the suns path seemingly altered.
Because gravity is a consequence of the whole system, pressure is constantly varying along the alignments due to vast interchanges of charges out in the universe, as everything is operating upon this geometric system.
The planets outer surface is therefore pushed up and down as differing pressures are acting upon various areas, and it is constantly moving .
Not moving in this nonesense of platonic areas floating about, but litterally been subject to pressure up and down, so coastal areas will simply be pushed up at one point and down at another.
Paul is capturing on his cameras this very sequence of charges that make everything, it is far more than just electrical charge though, it is intelligent and contains all knowledge, way beyond the limited tiny grasp of words that i can call upon to explain.
As a race , we appear to have almost encased around ourselves a layer of insulation that blocks the very substance that creates ourselves, this is possibly a result of the need to survive , and having developed our senses in a particuler fashion, all senses.
There will only be a small number of dowsers at the moment that can identify differing frquency signals , and be able to pull apart these into a coherent and comprehendable method, most dowsers I find tend to lock onto one or two frequency signals , and become atuned totally to them, simply missing many others, i my self may be and know that I am missing some, and have to go back over familier ground regurally re-checking and re-evaluating as other signals become apparent.
This is where the difficulty arises of gathering any dowsers together, there is no school or standerd etc, it has all been surpressed.
Women will be the way forward, the rational part of our brains is less dominant in the female, and it appears as though that is the part been employed , that is not the rational area.
We have gone through all the discussions about this upon here recently.
The aweinspiring advances of the last hundred years have only further compounded the wrong pathway I consider we have strayed onto, it is as you have said overwhelming in its evidence and seemingly fabulous in its advances, I am sorry , but it is simply driving our race into destruction.
It cannot do anything else, as it is against nature, and we will not win that battle.
The very basic first step back onto the correct path is to see that path, and stop using explosion, but switch to implosion.
The source of energy is boundless, the source of compressed space that we are re-exploding is limited.
Einstein was correct in this material earth bound sense, and senses that we have adapted to survive here, but totally wrong about universe,
and we are a tiny speck in universe.

The megaliths are conveying ever more to me their secrets, it is simple once you grasp the method, Pauls work is vital to this, many are closing in fast upon the method of creation, able to because of our flawed science, it can all be adapted easily, then we will be at one with what creates all, not a religion or anything akin to that, just the truth, real truth.
Kevin





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Funny innit............I can't get my head round anything like dousing , orbs, or anything to do with the paranormal, (by the way has anybody seen the Channel 5 station announcement with countless orbs in the corridor of what looks like an old hospital),
but there are some phenomena that I have an open mind on.

For instance, Australian Aborigines are reputed to be able to sense when a relative or close friend is in peril, even though they are vast distances apart.

NASA were looking at this many years ago, as a means of instant communication during interplanetary travel.

Do they call unexplained phenomena like this "preternatural"? Or not explainable with the current level of the knowledge of nature.




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 Posted 09-05-2007 at 11:20   
Didgital cameras can show many things that our frequency recievers ( eyes ) dont lock onto.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2023.html?theme-light
This is modern science messing with what makes us.
In my opinion, the megaliths were built to control plasma charges that at various times in the trundle around the zodiac, fluctute to life threatening levels, we have not experienced this , or better said recognised this in living memory, perhaps we are about to experience this again?
Surely better to be prepared , and to understand what great big flashes of fire bearing down upon us are, and how to earth them?
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 Posted 09-05-2007 at 11:37   
Bernardquattermass,
Your Australians and them been able to sense each other.
Its all dowsing, we are nothing more than a frequency, if you can recognise individual frequencies, and everything has a frequency, then by means of space, you can sense the desired frquency.
I consider that because the native people around the globe were able to do this and are not as insulated , as mainly Europeans have become, that it is for this reason that they have been systematically erradicated.
They are not as easy to program, most European races are like sheep, bah, bah bah.
Easily controlled , and do as we are told.
Not the native peoples of other continents, they are still able to use their senses, a dangerous trait , as far as control daft idiots are concerned, demonise them, say its the devil in them, ridicule them, bah , bah , bah.
Are you a sheep?( carefull Lancashire man )
or able to use your senses?
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