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<< Our Photo Pages >> Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest - Natural Stone / Erratic / Other Natural Feature in England in Cornwall

Submitted by Bladup on Tuesday, 04 March 2014  Page Views: 10244

Natural PlacesSite Name: Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Country: England County: Cornwall Type: Natural Stone / Erratic / Other Natural Feature
Nearest Town: Penzance
Map Ref: SW489309
Latitude: 50.124930N  Longitude: 5.514445W
Condition:
5Perfect
4Almost Perfect
3Reasonable but with some damage
2Ruined but still recognisable as an ancient site
1Pretty much destroyed, possibly visible as crop marks
0No data.
-1Completely destroyed
 4 Ambience:
5Superb
4Good
3Ordinary
2Not Good
1Awful
0No data.
 4 Access:
5Can be driven to, probably with disabled access
4Short walk on a footpath
3Requiring a bit more of a walk
2A long walk
1In the middle of nowhere, a nightmare to find
0No data.
 4 Accuracy:
5co-ordinates taken by GPS or official recorded co-ordinates
4co-ordinates scaled from a detailed map
3co-ordinates scaled from a bad map
2co-ordinates of the nearest village
1co-ordinates of the nearest town
0no data
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Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : A 6000 year old tree trunk. (Vote or comment on this photo)
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest. They are sometimes revealed at low tide - as they are right now. You can see this well at Wherry town and Chyandour. The trees have been carbon dated to between 6000 and 4000 years old.

Frank Howie, Cornwall Wildlife Trustee and Chair of the county’s Geoconservation Group, said: "The forest bed at Wherry Town on the west side of Penzance has not been exposed to this extent for 40 years or more. The storms have revealed two to five metre trunks of pine and oak as well as the remains of hazel thickets with well-preserved cob nuts and acorns washed out by streams running across the beach."

He added: "At Chyandour to the east of Penzance rooted stumps are exposed in situ in peaty soils and massive trunks have been washed out onto the rocky foreshore. These forests were growing four or five thousand years when climate was slightly warmer than today. They were not flooded at the end of the last ice age which happened around 12,000 years ago. There were trees in the bay from 12000 to 4000BC,

Note: Ancient Cornish forests on Penzance beach have been exposed after the recent huge storms
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Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : 6000 year old trees at Chyandour with St Michael's mount in the background, Or to give it it's real name 'Karrek Loos yn Koos' which translates as 'Grey Rock in the Wood', very apt indeed. (Vote or comment on this photo)

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : A tree stump at the Chyandour site [SW489309] in 2021 (Vote or comment on this photo)

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : Seashells embedded into the ancient trees at the Chyandour site [SW489309] which has revealed itself for the first time since 2014 (Vote or comment on this photo)

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : A treetrunk at the Chyandour site [SW489309] in 2021, In the background near the church is Pensands which became the name Penzance (Vote or comment on this photo)

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : Ancient trees at the Chyandour site [SW489309] in 2021, On the hill in the background is to be found Lescudjack hillfort

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : An ancient tree trunk. This photo is from the wherry town site [SW469294]. All the other photos of mine that do not say where they are taken are from the Chyandour site [SW489309].

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : The storms also uncovered the remains of a far newer boat [this time with lots of metal] very near the far far older remains, It seems this area is a bit of an old boat graveyard.

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : The Chyandour site [SW489309] in 2021 with St Michael's Mount in the background

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : The Chyandour site [SW489309] revealed itself for the first time since 2014

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : You wouldn't believe that these trunks lying around are 4 to 6 thousand years old, The Chyandour site [SW489309] in 2021

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : The Chyandour site [SW489309] trees in 2021

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : The Chyandour site [SW489309] revealed itself for the first time since 2014

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : Prehistoric tree trunks at the Chyandour site [SW489309] have revealed themselves for the first time since 2014

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : A very large tree trunk at the Chyandour site [SW489309] revealed for the first time since 2014

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : A very long trunk at the Chyandour site [SW489309] has revealed itself for the first time since 2014

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : 4000 to 6000 year old trees at the Chyandour site [SW489309] in 2021

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : The Chyandour site [SW489309] in 2021

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : The Chyandour site [SW489309] tree stump in 2021

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : The Chyandour site [SW489309] revealed itself for the first time since 2014

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : A 6000 year old tree stump. This photo is from the wherry town site [SW469294]. All the other photos of mine that do not say where they are taken are from the Chyandour site [SW489309].

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : Two massive ancient tree trunks. This photo is from the wherry town site [SW469294]. All the other photos of mine that do not say where they are taken are from the Chyandour site [SW489309]. In the background on the right you can see St Michael's mount.

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : Ancient trees - this photo is from the wherry town site [SW469294]. All the other photos of mine that do not say where they are taken are from the Chyandour site [SW489309].

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : A massive ancient tree trunk - this photo is from the wherry town site [SW469294], all the other photos of mine that do not say where they are taken are from the Chyandour site [SW489309]. In the background you can see St Michael's mount.

Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest
Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest submitted by Bladup : Ancient timbers - this photo is from the Wherry Town site [SW469294]. All the other photos of mine that do not say where they are taken are from the Chyandour site [SW489309].

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Re: Ancient Cornish forests exposed after storms by Anonymous on Wednesday, 20 April 2016
These forests were growing four or five thousand years when climate was slightly warmer than today. They were not flooded at the end of the last ice age which happened around 12,000 years ago. There were trees in the bay from 12000 to 4000BC,

the usual take on warming climates is sea rise.
are we to understand that these forests, now offshore, were
living at warmer times when the sea was lower?
interesting... maybe we must examine sea levels and temperature relationships in the past more closely to compare to those today.
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Re: Mounts Bay prehistoric submerged forest by indistinguishability on Thursday, 06 March 2014
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The ship timbers are interesting. I wonder if anything is known locally about them. Frame first construction suggests it is AD. Hull curvature suggests Viking but the ribs are too substantial (they kept the weight down for portage). Unfortunately no hull planking is visible. A coffer dam, some pumps (shades of the Wherry mine) & a few experienced trowellers might suggest an answer. Not sure about permissions. Anny Nigma.
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Ancient Cornish forests exposed after storms by Andy B on Tuesday, 04 March 2014
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The recent damaging storms have shifted huge quantities of beach sand and shingle in several places around our coastline uncovering the remains of ancient forests which once extended far off-shore. Particularly impressive are the large trunks of oak, beech and pine in peat beds now exposed near Penzance in Mount’s Bay.

Although the ‘submerged forests’ of Mount’s Bay have been known for centuries they are rarely uncovered to the extent now seen at low tide on the beaches at Wherry Town and Chyandour. Geologists have used radiocarbon dating on timber from the peat beds in Mount’s Bay and it is thought that extensive forests extended across the bay between 4000 and 6000 years ago when hunter gatherers were giving way to early farming communities. Submerged forests are evidence of the changes in the bay as sea level has risen since the end of the last glaciation.

The Mount’s Bay forest bed falls into one of the 117 County Geology Sites which are monitored and managed by the Cornwall Geoconservation Group in conjunction with the Trust and its volunteers. On the north coast forest beds have also been exposed on Portreath beach and in Daymer Bay.

Frank Howie, Cornwall Wildlife Trustee and Chair of the county’s Geoconservation Group, says, ‘The forest bed at Wherry Town on the west side of Penzance has not been exposed to this extent for 40 years or more. The storms have revealed two to five metre trunks of pine and oak as well as the remains of hazel thickets with well-preserved cob nuts and acorns washed out by streams running across the beach.’

He added that, ‘At Chyandour to the east of Penzance rooted stumps are exposed in situ in peaty soils and massive trunks have been washed out onto the rocky foreshore. These forests were growing four or five thousand years when climate was slightly warmer than today. They were not flooded at the end of the last ice age which happened around 12,000 years ago.’

Dave Fenwick, local wildlife photographer and marine recorder says, ‘The tree stumps and trunks now exposed illustrate merged biodiversity and geodiversity with colonies of recent and sub-fossil wood boring molluscs, some now rare in Cornwall.’

Frank Howie also says, ‘At Daymer Bay, north Cornwall, as well as several rooted tree stumps, Neolithic shell middens and fossil soils containing snails, some now rare or extinct in Cornwall are exposed. This is an important exposure and research is underway on what it tells us about the climate and environment of the recent past in Cornwall.

He added, ‘The storms have washed away parts of this exposure although it is expected that tidal movements will again cover the deposit with sand over the next few months’.

These sites are all very fragile and it is likely that any further storms and trampling by interested onlookers may damage the deposits. It is expected that a number of these ancient forests have been exposed around our coast and it would very useful if people can send photographs of what they see and report locations to Frank Howie (Tel: 01736 331007; Email: [email protected] ). Great care is essential when visiting these sites; do not take risks under overhanging cliffs, during bad weather and, as these sites are intertidal, check tide times to avoid being cut off.

Source: Cornwall Wildlife Trust
http://www.cornwallwildlifetrust.org.uk/news/News_pages/Ancient_Cornish_forests_exposed_after_storms
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