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<< Text Pages >> Lismullin Henge - Henge in Ireland (Republic of) in Co. Meath

Submitted by Andy B on Thursday, 21 February 2008  Page Views: 13633

Neolithic and Bronze AgeSite Name: Lismullin Henge Alternative Name: Tara Valley Henge, National Monument of Lismullin, Lismullin National Monument
Country: Ireland (Republic of) County: Co. Meath Type: Henge
Nearest Town: Navan  Nearest Village: Lismullin
Map Ref: N93426156
Latitude: 53.595760N  Longitude: 6.58977W
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Proposed Henge in Co. Meath. The enclosure is presently undated. However preliminary investigations indicate that it is most similar in morphology to late prehistoric ritual enclosures dating to the Late Bronze Age/Iron Age.

Its closest parallels are phases of the royal sites of Emain Macha, Co. Armagh and Dún Ailinne, Co. Kildare, although Lismullin is of a much smaller scale, is much less complex and appears to represent a single phase of use.

Archaeological excavation has revealed that the enclosure at Lismullin has been heavily truncated by past centuries of ploughing, with the result that the sample of surviving features investigated to date are very shallow.

The site is a large (c.80m diameter) circular enclosure formed of a double row or ring of stakeholes. The two rows are c.2m apart. The stakeholes are small in diameter (c.10-15cm) and evenly spaced (c.60cm apart) perhaps suggesting post and wattle construction. The enclosure appears to have an entrance in the east. A smaller enclosure c.16m in diameter formed of similarly closely spaced postholes (c.25cm diameter) is positioned centrally within the large enclosure. There are two radial rows of postholes forming a corridor between the entrance of the outer and inner enclosures. In addition there are what appear to be two slot trenches between the end of the corridor and the entrance of the inner enclosure

Source: M3 Clonee - Kells Motorway Project
Information on Archaeological Investigations at Lismullin, Co. Meath (PDF Document)

Note: Was dog skeleton found at Lismullin Henge, Tara Valley actually a primate skeleton? See latest comment
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Re: Primate Skeleton at the Lismullin Henge at Tara Valley? by Anonymous on Thursday, 28 February 2008
If it is was a dog or ape - then why did the NRA never show any images on line, in their magazine, why was it disappeared so quickly, why was such a ritual burial in a royal site not cause for focused investigation, why did one archaeologist try to dismiss the find as a badger???

If it was a medieval dog - then we have a most unusual situation. The suggestion that it may have been an Irish Wolfhound is of great interest because during medieval times the Irish Wolfhound became extinct and was later re-introduced from Europe. This is historical fact. There was a noticeable difference in the two breeds and such a find of a medieval dog ceremonially buried in the Tara valley in medieval times near such important ritual pagan monuments is of immense importance.

If it is was an ape - then we have something even more exciting because it would have been a prestige gift to a High King. This would imply other great finds may be nearby etc etc.

Bear in mind that Utzi - the 5000 year old Ice man from the alps was only recently discovered to have been murdered 10 years after he had been found and examined by many many experts. The most recent conclusion regarding Utzi is death is by flint arrow. If Utzi was in the way of the NRA toll road he would have been bagged and disappeared as quickly as a dog/ape .....

Let the debate be "is it a dog or an ape" and let the more important debate attached to this be "why did the NRA try to hide it". This is the issue - there was no NRA image, no proper report, no qualified analysis by independent experts. Invite scrutiny of the NRA approach to ancestral remains in Tara Valley - http://www.druidschool.com/site/1030100/page/913557 see the human bones I found - the toll road builders crushed them with diggers. They have no ethics - investigate them with the Light of public opinion.
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    Re: Primate Skeleton at the Lismullin Henge at Tara Valley? by Anonymous on Friday, 09 May 2008
    It was checked by a vetinarian who confirmed it was a dog.The Irish wolfhound was never reintroduced from Europe that was a misprint from a dog book printed in India .The remaining wolfhounds in Ireland were gathered together by Captain Graham who crossed back with Scottish deerhounds[originally wolfhounds taken to Scotland by the Scotti] the breed is very close to it's original heritage
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Primate Skeleton at the Lismullin Henge at Tara Valley? by Andy B on Thursday, 21 February 2008
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During excavations for the forced M3 double toll road through the valley of the Celtic Royal City of Tara the bones of a ‘medium-sized dog’ were found near the Henge at Lismullin. I do not believe it to be a dog for two reasons - I believe it is Primate, most likely a Barbary Ape*.

Firstly, a skull of a Barbary Ape was found during excavations (1963–71) at Emain Macha (Navan Fort) in Armagh and this is seen as a major indicator of the importance of a royal site. An entire set of animal bones, in my opinion a Barbary Ape, have been found at the Lismullin Henge in Tara Valley, well known as a royal site, on the 29th of April 2007 and quickly put into black sacks and disappeared by archaeologists working for the NRA by the 3rd of May 2007.

Secondly, compare the images below paying attention to the red arrows for species identification. It is completely plausible that a primate could have been given to a King of Tara as a gift (from abroad) and buried in the Royal City.

A short report by Con Connor http://www.druidschool.com 23/1/2008

Read the full story with with images at http://www.druidschool.com/site/1030100/page/937849
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Re: Greens agree on terms to join coalition government by Anonymous on Wednesday, 13 June 2007
The politics of BETRAYAL, are nothing new in Ireland or these islands, Really surprised at the Greens though, Political Opportunism without a conscience, WHO IS STANDING FOR EIRE, And The legacy of her ancient culture ??? Even world opinion seems not to matter, when one considers the greedy old cliques that want to make a few extra euros, and save a few minutes in getting to Dublin, where they can watch their bank accounts grow. Maybe the Gardai should be investigating where the pay-offs have gone to !!!
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Greens agree on terms to join coalition government by Andy B on Wednesday, 13 June 2007
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It was revealed in the Irish Times today that the Green Party Programme for coalition Government with Fianna Fail does not inlude plans to reroute the M3 motorway. This is a clear violation of Green Party principles and promises.

Greens agree on terms to join coalition government

Irish Times, Wednesday, June 13, 2007

Fianna Fáil and the Greens last night agreed a draft five-year coalition deal, including a commitment to introduce a carbon tax during the lifetime of the next government, write Mark Hennessy, Stephen Collins and Miriam Donohoe.

If the deal is ratified at today's Green Party national conference in Dublin, the Greens will join a three-party coalition government with Fianna Fáil and the Progressive Democrats, supported from outside by a number of Independents. The deal needs the support of at least two-thirds of the delegates in order to be approved. About 500 are expected to attend.

The Greens have accepted that the controversial M3 motorway in Co Meath, which is to run near the Hill of Tara, will go ahead, despite its previous vociferous opposition to the plan.

More at
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/frontpage/2007/0613/1181302059242.html
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Re: 'Ancient site motorway' is halted by coldrum on Saturday, 19 May 2007
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New details emerge over Lismullen site

Archaeologists working on the new national monument discovered at Lismullen, near the Hill of Tara, believe it was probably an important ceremonial site.

They also believe it may have been made of 'wattle and daub', similar to the way baskets are weaved together.

The site consists of two circular enclosures, the largest 80m in diameter, the smaller one inside just 16m in diameter.

The larger outer wall could have been reasonably small, with the wall of the inside enclosure probably taller.

As the site is in a small hollow, archaeologists believe it would have allowed others to stand on the nearby ridges to watch the ceremonies taking place inside the enclosures.

Mary Deevy, Chief Archaeologist with the National Roads Authority, said the structure dated from somewhere between 1000BC to 400AD.

Samples have been taken and are being sent away for radio carbon dating. That will give a more precise period.

Archaeologists started working on the site at Lismullen last February, but the enclosures were only fully uncovered about a month ago.

The archaeologists then mapped the area and notified the Department of the Environment of the significance of the discovery.

Ms Deevy said there was a similar enclosure found by geophysical surveying on the Hill of Tara, which, at 200m in diameter, was much larger.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0503/m3.html
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Re: 'Ancient site motorway' is halted by coldrum on Saturday, 19 May 2007
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M3 case could halt all works

A new legal challenge to the M3 motorway, which could potentially stop work on the entire roads programme, gets under way in the High Court this morning.

An Taisce is seeking leave to challenge the National Roads Authority (NRA) under Section 18 of the Roads Act, a section which relates to procedural issues, public consultation and the formal adoption of a plan for road works.

An Taisce will argue that the NRA did not follow correct procedures in formally adopting its road plan for the €900 million M3 project.

It is understood that An Taisce has been aware of the issue for some time, but has so far refrained from becoming directly involved in legal challenges to road schemes.

A previous High Court case in which the campaigner Vincent Salafia challenged the ministerial directions concerning the treatment of archaeological works on the M3 route, was rejected by the High Court.

Mr Salafia also challenged the constitutionality of section 14 of the 2004 Act on the grounds that it gave the Minister an unreviewable and unfettered discretion to disapply protections for national monuments. A Supreme Court appeal was withdrawn last October.

The challenge was confirmed yesterday by a solicitor for An Taisce, Padraig Ferry. He told The Irish Times the action "has only been taken after extraordinary and serious consideration by An Taisce, and has implications for all road developments." He added the action concerned "the requirement of public consultation in relation to those developments."

The NRA would make no comment on the case yesterday other than saying it was "one we are leaving to the courts". It is understood, however, that the authority considers its defence will be successful.

Legal sources indicated that if the High Court does not grant leave to hear the case this morning, the matter could end there. However, if the court does decide there is a case to answer, it is likely that a full hearing would have to take place.

What happens to the actual road works on the M3, or indeed elsewhere, is then unclear. Tribunals tend to stop work in certain areas when there is a legal challenge, but such a decision - or an order, if the court felt one was necessary - would have serious implications for the NRA. The NRA currently has almost €5 billion worth of road building schemes under management across the State and in Northern Ireland.

The M3 scheme has been one of the most controversial undertaken by the NRA, possibly surpassing controversy over the Glen o' the Downs dual carriageway in Co Wicklow and the Carrickmines section of the M50. Its route has been severely criticised for passing within a mile of the Hill of Tara, between Tara and the Hill of Skryne.

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/motors/2007/0404/1175583603474.html
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Re: 'Ancient site motorway' is halted by Condros on Saturday, 12 May 2007
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Once again this Mr. Roche wants to BULLDOZE the structure at Rath Lugh, This infamous clone, and his cohorts will do want they want as arrogant short sighted politicians to destroy Irelands ancient history for the sake of getting a few miles under pavement. Will somebody please have these individuals committed.
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Re: 'Ancient site motorway' is halted by TimPrevett on Friday, 11 May 2007
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Pictures at

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/82427

and photobucket

http://s168.photobucket.com/albums/u167/muireanntemair/Lismullin%20Jan%20-%20April%202007/
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Re: Massive Henge Discovered Near Hill of Tara by Anonymous on Sunday, 06 May 2007
It's great news that finally something happened to publicise this disgraceful state of affairs! Hopefully we can keep this in the public awareness for a while. Very exciting to hear about the new Henge.
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Re: Massive Henge Discovered Near Hill of Tara by Condros on Sunday, 06 May 2007
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Isn't it strange, that with all the protests, and verbage on the net regarding the sacredness of Tara, and that Mr. Roche and company turned a deaf ear to the pleas to stop the destruction/construction, and that finding this henge occurred on Beltaine, near the Rath of Lugh ??? Maybe the old gods are still listening.
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Massive Henge Discovered Near Hill of Tara by Anonymous on Saturday, 05 May 2007
A massive henge has been discovered in recent weeks near the Hill of Tara. This is a unique site in Ireland and should be preserved intact, as henges are very rare in Ireland. It is, without doubt, a national monument.

More text, comments and photos at Indymedia Ireland
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/82272
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A visit to the Henge, with photos by Anonymous on Saturday, 05 May 2007
On the 3rd of May 2007, I walked the Sacred Valley in the Celtic Royal City of Tara. I was accompanied by three campaigners and two county councillors and the vice-chairperson of Meath County Council. The Vice chairperson, Andy Brennan is 80 years of age and he was highly disgusted and ashamed by what was going on in Tara Valley.

We walked in by the open entrance to Rath Lugh, down the track and climbed through the barbed wire fence, strolled over the field and climbed a wooden post fence. I assisted Andy over these obstacles for a very simple reason - we were prevented from gaining entry using the service road by a Meath Security Service man.

Did this stop us? Read on at

http://www.druidschool.com/site/1030100/page/911413

Grá
Con
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'Ancient site motorway' is halted by Andy B on Friday, 04 May 2007
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Work on the controversial M3 motorway in County Meath near Tara has been halted after the discovery of a highly significant archaeological find.

More:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/6613729.stm
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