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Re: Forget Cornwall, King Arthur ruled from Shropshire by VirtHist on Thursday, 09 June 2005

I think you're absolutley right about Ambrosius, but that's because I don't think Arthur was a king. Welsh writings call him a 'dux bellorum' or 'pen tueli' - a battle leader. If anything he was probably fighting for someone like Ambrosius.

I only bring the Scotti into it because some Scots claim Artorius to be the bases of Arthur, which seems a little odd really.

As for the Gododdin/Votadini, there is still no absolute proof of their Scottish origins. Even the etymology that says the word Gododdin comes from Votadini (Otadini as mentioned by Ptolemy c. 140) is extremely weak. To quote Steve's book:

"It should also be noted that the phrase Manaw Gododdin only appears in a single instance in one manuscript, all other references being to either Manaw or Gododdin but never the two together."

There are a number of references in ancient Welsh literature that place Manaw in Wales. One refering to a known Welsh king (d844) that says:

"Mervyn Frych from the land of Manaw".

So there is just as much litereary evidence for Manaw being either in North Wales or even the Isle of Man.



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