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Submitted by Arjessa on Wednesday, 19 April 2006  Page Views: 34317

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Worlebury camp submitted by Arjessa : Worlebury hill-fort, Weston-super-Mare, North Somerset. (In reference to article, "The Origins of the Dobunni"). (Vote or comment on this photo)
The Dobunni Tribe of the North Somerset/Gloucestershire region were originally of Iberian descent, coming from the Bell Beaker people of Spain and Portugal. They are also known to have travelled to Brittany, where a tribe known as the Coriosolites existed.

It is my belief that some of this tribe may have sailed to the coastline of Somerset, thereby beginning the Dobunni. Indeed, the Dobunni are understood to have traded with the Coriosolites of ancient Amorica (Brittany), and the fact that the name of 'Corio' appears on some of the early Dobunnic coinage may be more than a mere coincidence. I should like to suggest that this is in fact stating the origins of the tribe itself. It may well be that the chief of that time did perhaps take the name of Corio from the name of their forefathers as a mark of respect, or as a way of remembering their ancestors.

While this group of Iberians had landed at Brittany and Somerset, further groups set sail towards Ireland and other parts of Southern England and Europe.

This brings us to the tribal name of 'Dobunni', the meaning of which has never been explained. The spelling of the name 'Dobunni' can no doubt be ascribed to the Roman Latinisation as to the pronunciation of the word. Now, if one was to sound each syllable out, then convert the same sound into the Irish Gaelic spelling, we get the following;

'DUBH' pronounced "Doo" which means, dark or black-haired.

'BUNAITHE' "Boo-Nee" = established OR
'BUNAICH' "Boo-Nee" = establish, found, set (up), start. OR POSSIBLY,
'BUNADH' "Boo-Na" = people, inhabitants AND
'BUNAIOCH' "Boo-Na' = primitive

Putting this simply, the name 'Dobunni' means literally, either (The) 'DARK-HAIRED (ONES) ESTABLISHED (THIS PLACE)' or perhaps just (The) 'DARK-HAIRED PEOPLE'.

Such a tribe would have stood out against the fair-haired Celts who came along later. Indeed, one only has to look at the dark-haired Spanish and Portuguese, together with many of the Irish and long term residents of Somerset who still retain the dark hair of the Dobunni to see the connection.

Meanwhile, the Iberian connection to the Dobunni is further supported by the Beaker pottery sherds and vessels unearthed, and in the style of hill-forts which they left behind, in particular those at Worlebury and Dolebury which use stone in construction of the ramparts. Similar types of hill-forts which use stone for their defences can be found in Spain and Portugal, and with some of likewise construction also to be found in Ireland.

Further to the meaning of the Dobunni name, I believe it is quite possible that the language of the Dobunni may well have been closer to the Irish Gaelic than to the Brythonic Welsh supposedly spoken by the Celtic/British Tribes. No doubt an amalgamation of these languages could have occurred over the centuries. The original Gaulish spoken on the continent became extinct during the onset of Christianity and the eventual changeover to Latin.

With the arrival of the Celtic tribes, there were bound to have been a few inter-tribal marriages between the Dobunni and the Celts once peace was established, or perhaps as a means of establishing peace between one or more of the Belgic groups. However, I believe that the Dobunni remained essentially 'THE DARK-HAIRED PEOPLE'.

BIBLIOGRAPHY:
1908: "Earthworks of England", Allcroft, A H MacMillan & Co Limited, London.
1977: "The Bell Beaker Cultures of Spain and Portugal", Harrison, Richard J; Havard Univ., Cambridge, Mass.
1980: "Worlebury, The story of the Iron Age hill-fort at Weston-super-Mare", Woodspring Museum.
1998: "Wroxeter, Life & Death of a Roman City", White, Roger & Barker, Philip, Tempus Limited, Gloucs.
1999: "Irish Dictionary", Harper Collins, G.B.
1999: "Irish First Names", Harper Collins, G.B.

FOOTNOTE: This paper was first printed in the CBA South-West Journal No. 8, Winter 2002, as member's contribution.

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Re: The Origins of the Dobunni - 'The Dark-haired people'? by Anonymous on Sunday, 15 October 2023
I would post my proof if I knew how to use code. I do not. But I am on TikTok under Speaks Truth.
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Re: The Origins of the Dobunni - 'The Dark-haired people'? by Anonymous on Sunday, 15 October 2023
I am 43% Celtic Dobunni . From proto age to now. I had my DNA done twice. I am extremely fair skinned with medium blonde hair with red hues. We still exist. I am researching my Ancestors. I think you should dig deeper in your research.
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Re: Brittany and Portugal by Anonymous on Monday, 28 December 2020
There's some overcooking of the goose going on here. Keep it simple and scientific and let's not get carried away with wild theories.
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Re: Brittany and Portugal, and Ancient Space Ship People by Anonymous on Thursday, 09 April 2020
The Dobunni came to Britain in space ships to teach everyone in Britain how to make funny hats in order that the subtle energies could be harnessed and the evil sorcerers of the Belgae banished into the swirling portals of dread located at present day Bicester. Dobunni actually means ''We Who Are The Overlords of Grong Beggel''. The elves told me, honestly.
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Re: Brittany and Portugal by Anonymous on Saturday, 08 June 2019
If you go to West Kennet, Avebury or really any part of the same landmass in Wiltshire you will not find soil that is traditionally considered suitable for agriculture.
What you will find is; historical evidence of murdered Dobunni hostage telepaths and the largest megalithic infrastructure in the world.

Extrapolating this evidence, it is more than likely that the Dobunni were conquered by some other local tribe who killed their 'sorcerers'. Unfortunately, this also meant that the planet lost some of the last remaining hominids capable of harnessing subtle energies for agrarian abundance.

Also, this Irish Gaelic approach isn't necessarily valid. There's no particular reason to believe that the tribes fought by Claudius spoke anything even approximating Irish Gaelic which is actually Norse in origin anyway. The tribes of Pictavia certainly didn't leave much evidence of using Scots Gaelic and by everything mentioned, the Dobunni would be far more likely to speak a Brythonic language like Cornish, Welsh or Breton. None of which bear any relation to Godelic languages like Gaelic, Gaidhlig, or Norse.
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Brittany and Portugal by Anonymous on Tuesday, 21 February 2017
Surely the dark complexions pf the Iberian peninsula come from the Moors?
Pre Moorish Spanish descendants are generally not dark complexioned.
Even most of the ex colonist families in for example, Mexico are fair skinned.
My grandparents were born near the Forest of Dean, Gloucestershire which means
I most likely have some Dobunni blood in my veins.

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    Re: Brittany and Portugal by Arjessa on Monday, 15 August 2022
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    Hi, I have stated 'Dark-haired', not dark-skinned. Where the Iberian peoples ancestors came from pre-Iberia is reaching further back than I am surmizing
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Re: The Origins of the Dobunni - 'The Dark-haired people'? by Anonymous on Monday, 03 August 2015
Thanks for your thoughts on the Dobunni! It certainly seems possible that the Dobunni had continental origins, considering their associated 'territory' travels up the Severn and Wye valleys.
However, your suggestion that the 'Do-' prefix of their name implies 'dark hair' cannot have a strong basis. You equate the Irish word 'Dubh' with 'dark hair', but it simply means 'dark' in a nonspecific sense.
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Re: Brittany and Portugal by Anonymous on Friday, 17 February 2012
If Iberians come from Siberia, and if Siberians (Buryan, or Buryats) came to Caucasus as Iberians (Georgia, Iranian myths, al-Burjan - where jan is Arabic form in name), then as Strabo stated, Iberians in Spain are the same people.

If the 1st Norse god is Buri, and his decendants are Bor, Odin, and Thor, then Buri comes from them likewise. If Anatolian "Van Kindoms" (Noah's territory) are Burjans and/or Hyperboreans, then, these are the folks that were in Iberian Spain, and or Portugal, and in Irland at "the Burren" in Clair County, and the megaliths here, too.

Note the stone circles in Azerbaijan (i read as Azer-fire, and Baijan, or Burjan, to mean "Sky God"). Burjans should be "blacksmiths", the Boreads that built Jason's Argo ship, also on Lemnos Isle in the Aegean, with the god Hephaestus (god of the forge), and became Fir Bolg, or Celtic Picts, too, around Belgium. I believe "Fir Bolg" means Fire Rock, or Firestone.

I believe that Buryans, in S. Iran (and India with the god Kubera), were also called Buryzan (as Baskhorts and Baskirs too), but as Saka (Scythians) in or around Georgia today. They are Tengra shaminist, and likely in Bad Tibira Sumeria around 3000 BC, as "blacksmiths". I believe they are of the "wolf" tamga, and can be shon on Celtiberian coins. They should be also the Eburones (Celts), but I'm suggesting the earlier phase as ring-stone structures suggests.

Buryans, or Burjans can be S. Iran as Budin, or Budini, and in Romania, as Buri tribe, and I believe this leads to Odin, traceable to Troy periods as a minimum ~1200BC. This fits close to the name your confronted with. Burgundians, and Bulgars are also linked by some to Burjans. I believe it is more sensible to say Buryan=Burjan=Borean=Budin=Odin. Because their god lives at the tops of mountains, stone circles should be on mountain tops (in general), and an open to the sky sanctuary would be part of their practice. The more ancient gods would be Zeus (Tios, or Ceus as Caucasus Iberian), and his offspring as Apollo and Artemis. Note Apollo and Zeus as wolf gods, but the Siberian (Female) Reindeer (Greeks call a hind), wherein, Artemis is Apollo's twin sister, and female Siberian Reindeer has antlers, thus not a stag. The only deers that do this. Because Artemis is a goddess, these female deer pull her golden carriage - across the sky. In England they would be a wolf tribe and as "the hounds of heaven", relative to Belenus. ring stones shoulld be solar lunar more than astronomic (star) alignments, and the Hyperborean "Year of Meton" (18.61 year cycles, and solar-lunar equinox conjunctions). I believe the Callenish henge in Scotland is good example of this, and Stonehenge's 56 post centers in its layout, which appears to conform to Pythagorean geometry, where Pythagoras was an Apollo worshiper.

Zeus was raised on Crete. I believe the connection becomes apparent to Spain, and North Seas.

My theory is Called "Grand Global Genome", and I'm GGG guy. I'm a freelance study on this ancient tribe and its global associations.

See if these notions as Budin, Budini, and/Odin (Woden) can have better associations or new avenues of interest. I believe the term "borean man" was used in both ancient England (Albion), and Spain, and likely slang for "miner", because these Iberians are blacksmiths. There should be old mines following them around, and they do leave deified mountain locational names, and have "metal gods", such as Suvar, and Kubar in Sumeria, but wolf tribe tamga too, as is tribe of Benjamin (the archers) from Canaan. Note arrows were dug up at Stonehenge in England, and other henges close by. Burrian's Hill Scotland is one such ancient iron mine (very small scale remnant of smelting here, and date of site wasn't given).

The color "blue" is also part of them as "sky god" in general.

I believe they are also the Etruscans at ~1200 BC, and the iron mines, that connects to Iberian Spain as well, and the Bora mint. A wolf c

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Re: Brittany and Portugal by Magalhaes on Friday, 21 April 2006
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This is very interesting.

Although I won't contribute directly to the topic with this, Brittany and Central Portugal share the same type of megalithic architecture, as has been noted in 1977 (here, section 5); which, at least in Brittany, is considered to be of such antiquity, previous to any known neolithic migration into the area, as to suggest the idea of "proto-megalithism".

"In three regions, the Tagus valley, Morbihan and the Irish Sea, there are remains of shell middens. The first two of these groups are also associated with Mesolithic cemeteries" which, according to one hipothesis (see link above) would be the starting points of the people who, after migrating inland, built the megaliths.

The much later Iberian (or at least, Lusitanian) genetic mix with the incoming Celts originated the Celtiberian (Iberian Celts).

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    Re: Brittany and Portugal by Arjessa on Saturday, 22 April 2006
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    It is thought that there were different groups of the Iberian (Beaker People) peoples. The Celtiberians, being a mixture of Celtic and Germanic Groups came along much later, during the time of the Punic Wars. The group known to have travelled to the areas I have mentioned are the Maritime Iberians and cover a time span estimated at 1,300 years, from around 2,300BC to 1000BC. They have even been termed Proto-Celts, coming into Britain before the Celts proper. Certainly not of the megalithic culture and time-scale that preceded it, but it is interesting to note they settled in the same areas. A case of history repeating perhaps?

    In reference to Worlebury Camp, further evidence of Iberian descent is shown in the skeltons unearthed. Allcroft states in his 'Earthworks of England'; "The camp has been shown to be the residence of a people of the Prehistoric Iron (Late Celtic) Age, and to have been dismantled about the time of the advent of the Romans in Claudius' time. . . The skulls are of the long-headed (Iberian) type, and suggest that at the date in question the dominant race in South-Western Britain were the descendants of those Iberians who preceded the round-headed Brythonic race, and who had been ousted by them from the more easterly parts of the island . . . there was a very large Iberian element in the population of the south-west . . ."

    My main point being the name of the tribe themselves, however, as the word 'Dobunni' has no known meaning and is not a Latin nor Celtic word, but perhaps the fault lay in the Roman spelling of how it sounded to them. The Irish spelling of the same sounds does have a meaning, and one that makes sense, also fitting in nicely with the Iberian descendant's possible colouring.

    With thanks for your input and ideas - Arjessa.
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    Re: Brittany and Portugal by Arjessa on Monday, 15 August 2022
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    Precisley! And thanks for your interest.
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