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<< Our Photo Pages >> Lad of Crow Hill - Not Known (by us) in England in Yorkshire (West)

Submitted by Rombald on Thursday, 09 February 2006  Page Views: 11010

Date UncertainSite Name: Lad of Crow Hill Alternative Name: Scarr of Crow Hill
Country: England County: Yorkshire (West) Type: Not Known (by us)
Nearest Town: Keighley  Nearest Village: Stanbury
Map Ref: SD970370
Latitude: 53.829254N  Longitude: 2.047062W
Condition:
5Perfect
4Almost Perfect
3Reasonable but with some damage
2Ruined but still recognisable as an ancient site
1Pretty much destroyed, possibly visible as crop marks
0No data.
-1Completely destroyed
 no data Ambience:
5Superb
4Good
3Ordinary
2Not Good
1Awful
0No data.
 4 Access:
5Can be driven to, probably with disabled access
4Short walk on a footpath
3Requiring a bit more of a walk
2A long walk
1In the middle of nowhere, a nightmare to find
0No data.
 5 Accuracy:
5co-ordinates taken by GPS or official recorded co-ordinates
4co-ordinates scaled from a detailed map
3co-ordinates scaled from a bad map
2co-ordinates of the nearest village
1co-ordinates of the nearest town
0no data
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Lad of Crow Hill
Lad of Crow Hill submitted by DavidRaven : The Lad o Scarr Hill stone. A modern stone, with an interesting tale behind it. Richard Thornhill (right, in the picture) reckons it may once have been the site of a cairn. (Vote or comment on this photo)
Modern stone in Yorkshire (West) Following comments, this stone has been redesignated as modern. It has been retained on the Portal so that anyone else assuming it to be prehistoric will be advised otherwise

I have written a full article about this site in "Northern Earth" (issue 104, pp. 18-19).

The Lad is a Yorkshire/Lancashire boundary stone, carved with the words "Lad or Scarr on Crow Hill", and probably dating from a boundary dispute in 1788. However, a "Skarth" at this site was recorded in the 15th century, and was probably a cairn. Furthermore, the boundary makes a kink at that point to meet it, suggesting that it pre-existed the boundary. Taking these points into consideration, I suggest that the stone was built on the site of a prehistoric burial cairn, and this could be the origin of the folktale about the Lad being the gravestone for a lad who died on the moors. The cairn might not finally have been removed until the 19th century.

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Re: Lad of Crow Hill by Anonymous on Friday, 01 December 2023
What does Lad mean or translate to? I live near here and Lad Law, but it seems everyone who discusses it (I have the Bentley book) doesn't tackle what it means, just what it doesn't mean....
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Re: Lad of Crow Hill by Rombald on Sunday, 09 April 2006
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And another thing - this posting is only a summary of my article in Northern Earth. That article does not state that the Lad replaces a prehistoric burial cairn, but does discuss the possibility. It is an argued article, taking all avaiable information into consideration.

The NE article refers (of course) to Bentley's mention of Cunliffe erecting the Lad after 1788, and I resent Baldwin's implication that I was ignorant of that fact. Baldwin - have you actually read my NE article?
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Re: Lad of Crow Hill by Rombald on Sunday, 09 April 2006
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I, of course, did not claim that the present stone is prehistoric. It is well documented to have been placed there in the 1780s.

There was a "skarth" there in the 15th century, as documented in the Whalley Abbey's Chartulary Book. "Scarth" is often taken to be an Anglian word for cairn, as exemplified by Skirt of Stones, Catstones, Scatstones, etc. I may, however, be wrong on this point, and will check it out. However, Halliwell Sutcliffe did describe the Lad as a cairn in his book (although I have not found him entirely reliable).

As for the location on the boundary kink, I can assure Baldwin that the Lad is indeed on the county boundary, at SD970370. This is about 100 metres W of Crow Hill Delphs, and 1 km approximately E of the top of Crow Hill. I visited the Lad today, and that is still where it is! do not understand why Baldwin has accused me in such an offensive manner, but I think it may be based on an error in Paul Bennett's "The Old Stones of Elmet", in which the OS reference for the summit of Crow Hill (which is indeed in Lancashire) is given for the Lad of Crow Hill. I would be grateful for an apology as to this point.
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    Re: Lad of Crow Hill by Anonymous on Thursday, 25 October 2007
    Going off on a little bit of a tangent here, but I remember coming across something in my reading once which suggested that 'Cat' could be the early British version of the Welsh 'Cath', meaning battle. Any thoughts?

    BKPip
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Re: Lad of Crow Hill by Thorgrim on Thursday, 30 March 2006
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Following comments, this stone has been redesignated as modern. It has been retained on the Portal so that anyone else assuming it to be prehistoric will be advised otherwise
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Re: Lad of Crow Hill by Thorgrim on Wednesday, 29 March 2006
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I take your point, Baldwin. Reading the original post, I see nothing to support any prehistoric claim and will delete this site unless someone convinces me otherwise. We only take marker stones if they are likely to have been used as such before 1066. 15th and 18th century stones are way beyond our timeline. Thanks for your helpful comment
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    Re: Lad of Crow Hill by Baldwin on Wednesday, 29 March 2006
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    In John Bentley's 1975 book, 'Portrait of Wycoller' - the finest study on the history of this region - he describes how Henry Cunliffe, following an argument over land-rights, erected this stone around 1788. No prehistory here - not even medieval.
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    Re: Lad of Crow Hill by Anonymous on Wednesday, 29 March 2006
    Thanks for the information, Brigantia.
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Re: Lad of Crow Hill by Baldwin on Wednesday, 29 March 2006
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Contrary to what our anonymous Mr Rombald here says, there is no evidence that this old stone is a prehistoric contender. His assertion based on the evidence of a 'skarth' being a cairn is incorrect. This word simply means "an opening, an open place in the edge of something, a gap, a mountain pass" (A.H. Smith, 'English Place-Name Elements' vol.2, p.124), which is appropriate for this site. Its old English equivalent was the word 'sceard'. (where on earth did you get the cairn idea from?)

And as for the site being where "the boundary makes a kink at that point", I'm not quite sure if he has the same map as me, as there is no kink here and the site is plainly in Lancashire. It might be good if you told your 'Northern Earth' readers of the errors.
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