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<< Our Photo Pages >> Brynaman - Rock Art in Wales in Carmarthenshire

Submitted by sem on Friday, 08 October 2010  Page Views: 6102

Rock ArtSite Name: Brynaman
Country: Wales County: Carmarthenshire Type: Rock Art

Map Ref: SN7146518453
Latitude: 51.849829N  Longitude: 3.867499W
Condition:
5Perfect
4Almost Perfect
3Reasonable but with some damage
2Ruined but still recognisable as an ancient site
1Pretty much destroyed, possibly visible as crop marks
0No data.
-1Completely destroyed
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4Good
3Ordinary
2Not Good
1Awful
0No data.
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5Can be driven to, probably with disabled access
4Short walk on a footpath
3Requiring a bit more of a walk
2A long walk
1In the middle of nowhere, a nightmare to find
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5co-ordinates taken by GPS or official recorded co-ordinates
4co-ordinates scaled from a detailed map
3co-ordinates scaled from a bad map
2co-ordinates of the nearest village
1co-ordinates of the nearest town
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Brynaman submitted by sem : Brynaman Fig 1. As in my Secret Signs theory, these rocks, bleached by peat, stand out against the grey background of the natural rocks. (Vote or comment on this photo)
Possible Rock Art in Carmarthenshire (Sir Caerfyrddin). Sem writes: For a long time I have been convinced that given the number of ancient sites in the Beacons/Black Mountains area, there was rock art waiting to be found. Finally I think I have found some and I would welcome any comments, especially from those with more experience of rock art than me.

The stone in question lies close to and in view of Tair Carn Uchaff and Carn Pen-y-Clogau at grid ref SN 71465 18453 in Carmarthenshire.

For anyone familiar with my Secret Signs theory (ie stones were placed to be easily distinguished from their natural surroundings) this is a good example. Both the stone itself and those nearby have all been bleached by peat (see Brynaman1) and appear to have been brought
from a peat bog about 400yds away.

The stone in question is diamond shaped and measures a uniform 17” by 17” across its points (see Brynaman 2). In the centre are two cup marks – whether these are natural solution holes or man-made, I don't know. However, their significance becomes clear when you sight along the points of the rock at a compass angle of 245deg, two of the three cairns of Tair Carn Uchaf are very prominent on the horizon (see Brynaman 3). Another interesting thing is that the rock appears to have been shaped like a swallow-tail when looking at this angle ie it has two points

Looking in the reverse direction gives a view of Carn Pen-y-Clogau (see Brynaman 4) at a compass angle of 55deg and at this angle the rock has only one point. Maybe I am reading too much into this, but one point for one cairn and two points for two appears to be more than a coincidence.
The fact that this stone does not lie in a direct line between the cairns may also be significant.
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Brynaman
Brynaman submitted by sem : Brynaman Fig 2, Showing the dimensions of the stone. The swallow-tail and single point effect can be seen. (Vote or comment on this photo)

Brynaman
Brynaman submitted by sem : Brynaman Fig 4 Looking towards Carn Pen-y-Clogau. (Vote or comment on this photo)

Brynaman
Brynaman submitted by sem : Brynaman Fig 3. Looking towards the cairns of Tair Carn Uchaf. The prominence of these is much more pronounced in real life than the photograph suggests. (Vote or comment on this photo)

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Re: Brynaman by sem on Monday, 01 November 2010
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A & K. Your mesage was forwarded privately to me. Got the ref and will take you up on your offer next time I'm there.
Sem

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Re: Brynaman by sem on Saturday, 16 October 2010
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Peerjay
The rock is predominantly millstone grit with some limestone.
If you look closely at fig2, around each hole is a concentric outer-ring.
Whether they are wholly natural or caused by solution after percussion (ie human chipping) on the main holes, I don't know.
Yet more research, eh?

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Re: Brynaman by peerjay on Sunday, 10 October 2010
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Hi Sem,

Any idea what the local rock type is? It looks like it may be sandstone, or tuff. The different colouration suggests to me that these stones are less weathered than the surrounding rocks, whose colour will be the result of weathering and growth of lichens etc. As such, it seems unlikely that your stone is in it's original location, and may have been exposed (either turned over, or moved) relatively recently.
The holes are interesting. Any signs of toolmarks, or other markings within/around them? There are natural processes that can cause similar cavities, dependent on what the local rock is.
As seductive as the idea of undiscovered cup marks is, I think you should eliminate any other possible derivation first.
Look forward to whatever else you can reveal about this.
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Re: Brynaman by sem on Saturday, 09 October 2010
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Hi Dood
Yup, it was a slip to include the "s" after Black Mountain. As for the rest? I don't know, which was why I put it up for discussion. There are also at least 2 standing stones and 2 cairns in view from here that are not shown on Coflein.

Enjaytom
The angles I gave were compass-read (ie magnetic north by my poor ability) and as such take no account of the true north offset nor the difference in altitude between the stone and the cairns. Thanks for the input though, seems I have a LOT more to do.

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Re: Brynaman by enjaytom on Saturday, 09 October 2010
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Rock art symbols, thirty ot more at Knowth and Newgrange in Ireland are analysed and explained in my ''Irish Symbols of 3500 BC'' from Amazon, Mercier Press, Google. Try the websites.
My recommendations include an accurate determination of true north and the relationship of your discoveries to North, to sunrise, sunset at the equinox and solstice.
You have more work ahead - good luck. let me know how you progress, maybe I can assist.
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Re: Brynaman by SumDoood on Saturday, 09 October 2010
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In my (interested but), inexpert opinion the holey rock(s) are entirely natural in origin, as are their alignments.

And it's a small point perhaps, but the mountains to which you refer are the Black Mountain, not the Black Mountains which are a long way east at the opposite end of the Brecon Beacons National Park.

Good luck,
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