thecaptain
(2006-05-11) | many thanks for these lovely pictures binardino |
Andy B
(2006-05-12) | Does this look like an anthropomorphic (human style) figure with head and breasts, or is it just me? Are the breasts holes or lumps? What is the scale of the photo? |
thorgrim
(2006-05-12) | I assumed it was another of the "breast and necklace" carvings. |
thecaptain
(2006-05-12) | Yes, it will be necklace and breasts, and they will be in relief. It is possible that there may be a head and arms too, but I have never seen this place so cannot say for sure. |
thorgrim
(2006-05-12) | Might be interesting to gather these "breast and necklace" carvings together and look at the distribution. |
thecaptain
(2006-05-13) | yes, that would be a good idea thorgrim, but we would perhaps need to be able to assign more than one site type for each place ? Somethng for discussion elsewhere. There are many of these goddess figures in northern France, not forgetting Gran'mere in Guernsey, while in Brittanny there are many of a much more simplified type. Then of course there are all the statue-menhirs from the south ..... |
thorgrim
(2006-05-13) | Yes - I'm always a bit sceptical about "goddess" stuff, but there is clearly something tangible here. Assuming that the carvings are not prehistoric pin-ups - they do suggest a goddess culture. By plotting the distribution we might learn much. |
tiompan
(2006-05-13) | The "breasts" look incredibly like cup marks . |
thecaptain
(2006-05-14) | Except that they are in relief, ie sticking out, and not hollows. |
thorgrim
(2006-05-14) | In or out it just shows that the camera frequently does lie and we often see what we want to see |
tiompan
(2006-05-14) | There is a possible explanation for viewing relief as hollows and vice versa , a bit like the rabbit or duck illusion .The expalnation is IFIRC to do wit t he brain perceives the light source , so if the pic is reversed or turned upside down what should appear hollow is in relief . But the daft thing is I see them as hollows when the pic is obviously not reversed .So maybe the theory is bollocks and there is another explanation |
tiompan
(2006-05-14) | I've just reversed the pic and lo there they are ,lol. |
thorgrim
(2006-05-14) | I think that flash was used and that destroyed the shadows that raised bumps would give in sunlight. I agree with you - they do look like hollows |
tiompan
(2006-05-14) | I showed it to the family and they saw bumps where I saw hollows . I haev noticed this before ,sometimes when looking at pics of cup marks they appear as bumps. I don't think the light theory is the expalnation though. Richard Gregory would be the chap to explain it. |
AngieLake
(2006-05-14) | Yawn!...... Why don't you guys just admit you like making comments on this pic because it gives you the legit reason to keep looking at those boobs? LOL! (They look rather recent additions to me - they're not worn very much!) Perhaps it's ancient Braille?! Maybe the grave of the current Pamela Anderson, or Jordan of her day?? ;-) |
thecaptain
(2006-05-15) | More here and here. Not to forget my favourite.
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AngieLake
(2006-05-15) | Yes, but they're tiddlers compared to these above, which look like some surgically-enhanced ones in last week's TV prog "Ten Years Younger"!
There - now even MORE people will look at them!! |
binardino
(2006-05-15) | happy to see that my goddest girl make you speak about it, but i confirm you this is a real one very well conserved with necklace and breast in relief but there are no harms and head! in my area we have a lot of kind of goddest figure like this but this one is the must conserved, you can often find on parisian passage grave breast conserved or necklaces conserved but the two together it is not often you can also find a nice one to dampmesnil passage grave. hope you will understand with my frenchie english. |
thorgrim
(2006-05-15) | Despite Angie's sexist comments, the really interesting thing about these carvings is the necklace. The necklace features as a badge of womanhood in so many depictions of women in so many cultures in so many periods all over the world. Even today, most women wear a necklace. The poorest wear a cord of beads, the richest a string of pearls or flashy diamonds. But why? What is the hidden, time defying significance of an encircled neck? Is it just for beauty and a status symbol? Or does it signify a separation of head from body? Was it originally something like a slave collar showing male ownership of the female? Ouch, ouch,ouch! - I can feel the feminist anger already! I only speculate - no offence intended! |
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