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Anonymous
User not Registered |  Posted 15-09-2005 at 14:11
From the stones mailing list
"I have found an old article on the Multiple Stone Rows of Caithness
and Sutherland from the Caithness Field Club, most of which we have
photos of.
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146412316
Which is more than can be said for the self proclaimed "UK & Ireland's
most popular megalithic community website" with the long name. 
Andy"
You can't resist having a pop can you Andy?
I'm afraid your recent discovery of the Caithness Field Clubs most excellent website was posted on TMA waaaay back in 2002 along with many excellent photographs and field reports from the area. http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/site/440
Love on ya pal,
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Anonymous
User not Registered |  Posted 15-09-2005 at 14:39
Hmmmmmm
TMA = 95 new posts in the last 24hrs and the forum bristling with activity - a typical day at TMA, I guess the terms 'popular' and 'community' seem to be correct
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Thorgrim
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| Posted 15-09-2005 at 16:19
Why do you give no names O' Anonymous ones? We don't bite!
95 posts from 9.5 people means that TMA types just like to talk to each other
Portal will have in excess of 95 visitors on line at any one time.
Depends how you define "popular" and "community"
Sure, TMA is popular with a small community of regulars but the international Megalithic Portal draws visitors from a much wider community.
TMA is so incredibly slow to access that anyone but the diehards just get tired of waiting for that blue screen to do something and just fall asleep.
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| Posted 15-09-2005 at 18:51
My policy in life is to get on with your own thing without dissing what others do. On a personal level, people won't remember so much what you say or what you do, but how you make them feel. I like folk to encounter each other amicably. I like a peaceful life insofar as that is possible.
"TMA types" such as Ocifant, Baza, Jimit, Juamei, Brigantia & Kammer also frequent and help on The Portal to various degrees. I am sure there must be others.
I love stones and history, and like being with people who love stones and history, whichever website they frequent. It is to that end I am labouring through megalithic meets, contributing to The Portal, and mixing on the TMA forum, and Stone Pages forum, too.
I contribute to The Portal because it was here first, and I have been involved from the start; therefore it will always have my loyalty. However, I distance myself from putting down anyone else. It is not necessary, and creates ill feeling, and I know I am not the only one who finds it upsetting.
Question: in what way will people remember you? What emotion will they associate with you when your name is heard or read?
With good will and intent
Tim
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Anonymous
User not Registered | Posted 15-09-2005 at 19:48
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On 2005-09-15 16:19, Thorgrim wrote:
TMA is so incredibly slow to access that anyone but the diehards just get tired of waiting for that blue screen to do something and just fall asleep.
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I believe you've mentioned that before. For me, the exact opposite happens. Does anyone know why?
Nigel
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Anonymous
User not Registered | Posted 15-09-2005 at 20:09
"95 posts from 9.5 people means that TMA types just like to talk to each other
Portal will have in excess of 95 visitors on line at any one time. "
How do you know how many users are online at TMA? Do you have access to the server logs?
At the time of writing this there have 121 new posts on TMA in the last 24 hours. That's 121 new images or fieldnotes!!! Not forum posts! The last 200 posts have come from just 21 users. A question for clarification? Does your user count exclude webbots properly? Because I have 10-15 permanently crawling over my website.
As for these pathetic pops at TMA they're just .. well ... pathetic! You will not see that kind of behaviour in an official capcity on TMA. Fair enough, I've had a few pops in the past, but it's been a very long time. Anyone associated with the portal should be ashamed of the constant digs.
TMA's Slow?
TMA: Speed: Average (50% of sites are slower), Avg Load Time: 1.7 Seconds
Portal: Speed: Very Slow (82% of sites are faster), Avg Load Time: 3.7 Seconds
(figures from the much loved alexa.com - http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main?q=&url=megalithic.co.uk )
All the best
FourWinds (megalithomania.com - Speed: Fast (61% of sites are slower), Avg Load Time: 1.5 Seconds )
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| Posted 15-09-2005 at 22:41
So you do have a name after all and are not afraid to use it - Wow!
Pathetic pops at TMA? Well I don't know which anonymous guy started this thread with the title of "Is it that time of the month, Andy" - but that is a pretty offensive and pathetic pop isn't it?
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Thorgrim
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| Posted 15-09-2005 at 22:53
"Question: in what way will people remember you? What emotion will they associate with you when your name is heard or read?
With good will and intent Tim"
That's very commendable Tim, but who are you talking to? Moi? I'm not putting anyone down, just having a gentle pop at the poppers and getting some balance on just what is meant by "popular" and "community". I suppose some might interpret Andy's Stones Mail as a bit of a put down, but I see it as healthy rivalry which should encourage the Portal and TMA to seek improvements and not get too self satisfied. A bit of competitive spirit is much more fun than dull old "good will and intent".
As Mike has discovered and brought to a fine art - t'aint difficult to wind them up over on t'other side. All good clean fun - Vive la difference!
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Anonymous
User not Registered | Posted 15-09-2005 at 23:06
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On 2005-09-15 22:41, Thorgrim wrote:
So you do have a name after all and are not afraid to use it - Wow!
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Is the above the best response you can make to my post?
Just for the record I have only made that one post* on this topic. The anonymous ones are nothing to do with me.
FourWinds
*this one makes two, natch
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|  Posted 16-09-2005 at 09:37
Not wishing to discuss which site is "best", for my purposes they are complimentary and the best around. Full of dedicated contributers and discussions, they take me to wonderful places in these Isles of ours, which I cannot aford to visit. My mind has been stimulated by the breadth of knowledge displayed in the postings and amused by the, shall we say, oddballs, who occasionally turn up. TMA is not the only forum that suffers from the likes of Starman.
On another note....I have to agree with Nigel that this site takes longer to load than the others, a trivial inconvenience.
P.S. Andy. Thank you for the book prize I received for the photo competition. I was off line for 2 weeks just as they arrived and couldn't thank you more promptly.
Jim.
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Anonymous
User not Registered | Posted 16-09-2005 at 12:53
I think Andy needs to take a little care before posting petty comments on an internet mailing list. As anon points out, the information on Caithness was available on TMA and had been for some time. The implication being that Andy couldn't be arsed to check the facts before making his comments.
Andy aside, there is a lot of sharing of information between the two sites e.g. Thorgrims search for underwater landscapes, he came onto the TMA forum, was pointed to the excellent DTI report and it now features as a download on the Portal... superb.
Andy ...unwind yourself, lifes too short!
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| Posted 16-09-2005 at 17:56
Very true, Fitz and I agree with much of Jimit's comment too. I use and contribute to both and we would all be the poorer for the loss of either. BUT when some cowardly anonymous ***** suggests that the Guv'nor is behaving like a woman with a period - that needs a vigorous response. It is a double insult - once to Andy who can answer for himself, but also to every woman that the anonymous f***** apparently assumes is irrational or petulant at "that time of the month."
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Anonymous
User not Registered | Posted 16-09-2005 at 19:39
It made me smile, I guess I'm not PC enough for the portal.
Another way of looking at 'time of the month' could be refering to Andy's regular loki-esque attempt to breath a little life into the forum by having a dig at TMA, which he seems to do on a fairly regular basis...and it works!
f***'in fitz
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Andy B
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| Posted 20-09-2005 at 21:38
Hang on, let's go back to my point, which was this. My claim was that all the stone rows mentioned in the Caithness Field club report are included (with correct grid refs) in the Portal's database and maps, the majority with photos. I found very few of them in TMA's database, with only photos of a couple of 'touristy' sites.
To the best of my knowledge this fact was and is true. If I am failing to find these sites in TMA then that is my mistake.
At TMA the Caithness site was linked to without further comment or correction by an unknown person called 'Bill'. I checked the grid refs on the Caithness site and found a significant number of them to be wrong, so corrected them.
Having spent an entire lunchtime fixing these glaring errors I thought I was entitled to point out my hard work. Unlike many of TMA's contributors (it would appear), Portal users have real jobs where we do not spend a large portion of our time web-surfing in working hours!
My actions are an illustration of effectiveness of the Portal's editorial policy as opposed to having a free-for-all. In addition most Portal members identify themselves as real people and are contactable via private messages if you need to clarify a fact or ask a question. Of course you will have less content when you are applying a filter to it.
The users is only a rough guide but the vast majority are 'people', especially the live logged in members of which there are always several.
Recently the Admins and myself have been expending extreme efforts in combatting spam in order to keep our comments and forum open to non-registered and anonymous users, as this is often a source of valuable tit-bits from the very many casual passers-by we have.
I think this is why we feel entitled to tease you if you post Anonymously, as this is a privilege you gain as a direct result of our ceaseless efforts against the spammers and idiots.
TMA has a hardcore of keen members, based around veneration of a great leader, who appears to make a good living from the subject but does not contribute back with development or content at TMA the site as far as I can see.
Nothing wrong with hero worship if that's your thing but we merely make the point that 'other heroes are available'. Abuse is to be expected when you question the status of a great leader. It's a bit cult-like really.
Andy
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Andy B
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| Posted 20-09-2005 at 21:42
P.S. - I am not wound up.
P.P.S - As with most things we found the DTI reports independently of TMA, in fact one of the authors submitted the details to us.
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Anonymous
User not Registered | Posted 21-09-2005 at 16:25
"Unlike many of TMA's contributors (it would appear), Portal users have real jobs where we do not spend a large portion of our time web-surfing in working hours! "
You can't help yourself, can you, Andy.
Also, your remark about a 'venerated leader' is inaccurate. 90+% of TMA contributors know very little about Julian Cope and care only about the stones.
I'm kicking myself for taking the bait. But I think you should know that it's not the pros and cons of your site that put some people (including me) off from contributing, it's your attitude. I have got free will you know, even if you might arrogantly think I don't have a proper job. I don't suppose you'll want to believe me though.
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Andy B
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| Posted 21-09-2005 at 20:45
Rhiannon,
Please don't get carried away - 'many' means 'many', not 'all', you are clearly not one of the 'many'. I think my assertion is probably correct but I doubt we'll be getting many admissions of the fact.
Look I didn't start this thread, I pointed out the difference in quality of content on a site near Bristol and of the Stone Rows of Caithness, a point I still believe to be correct as no one has indicated otherwise. Thankfully this bickering has been kept off the Stones List but for the record this is what I said:
> There's the slab from the Pool Farm Cist (concrete replica on site, original is in Bristol City Museum). It's carved with cup marks, human feet and a 'horned device'. Well worth a visit to the museum.
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> The cist itself is a sad wreck in a field, and is constructed with small stone blocks, each block is very different in type. Also worth a visit, the farmer is very friendly - and the Priddy Circles are nearby.
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> I've got photos somewhere.
Photos from both locations are on the Portal
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=4964
We also have a new article on Ancient Yews from Thorgrim, http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146412317
and I have found an old article on the Multiple Stone Rows of Caithness and Sutherland from the Caithness Field Club, most of which we have photos of.
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=2146412316
Which is more than can be said for the self proclaimed "UK & Ireland's most popular megalithic community website" with the long name.
Andy
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| Posted 22-09-2005 at 00:05
A little bit of competition between sites could be looked on as healthy, as each one is passionate about their cause, but when it goes on and on it gets boring. Let's call it quits now - after all, we're in this because of our love of megalithic sites, etc. Share the information, try to appreciate what each other is doing, and stop bickering about it. There's enough aggro in the world without having to read it on a much-loved website.
Peace now!
Period! (as they say in the US)
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Anonymous
User not Registered | Posted 23-09-2005 at 11:02
As far as I can see, there is only one person who initiates these digs. They seem petty and put the other moderators on this site in a bad light.
It is clear, in defending this position, they agree with it.
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| Posted 23-09-2005 at 11:52
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On 2005-09-23 11:02, Anonymous wrote:
As far as I can see, there is only one person who initiates these digs. They seem petty and put the other moderators on this site in a bad light.
It is clear, in defending this position, they agree with it.
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And it is clear that you are nameless nowhere person afraid to give a name.
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