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coldrum
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|  Posted 19-07-2005 at 12:46
Couple stories lately of people wanting their things back from the British Museum.
Curious to know what people feel about it all.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2005/07/17/international/i151634D53.DTL
http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_objectid=15748256%26method=full%26siteid=50082-name_page.html
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Andy B
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| Posted 19-07-2005 at 22:49
With Egypt, 30 years ago is a lot more recent than the Elgin Marbles. You could argue people should have known better in 1965.
As for those cheeky Welsh people, that cape is a national treasure. How many people from all over the world see it in the BM vs a little museum in Wales? It would be different if it was stuck in a storecupboard.
Having said that I strongly believe the BM should find somewhere to display more of their British material as it is a tiny and rather disappointing part of the whole experience at the moment. Perhaps they could lend the Welsh museum some other items that are locked deep in the basement?
Daft tip - put a space before links when you post them here and they will magically work.
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sem
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| Posted 20-07-2005 at 20:06
The poblem with the Egyptian story is we don't know the full one. Zawi Hawass is well known for his rantings against those who steal his ancestors' treasures, which is a pity because I agree with many of his ideas. However I have to ask "Can he trace his ancestors back this far?" There have been innumerable invaders of Egypt in the past 3000yrs (Macedon and Persia to name but two), so the chances are he is not related in anyway. Another point is we don't know the terms of the licence for the dig that discovered the artifacts. For all I know the objects were brought to this country quite legally and thus to threaten institutes like he does is pure blackmail. More info is required.
Regarding the cape, this seems to be Plaid Cymru jumping on any bandwagon that gives them a bit of publicity (as normal). You lucky buggers in England don't know what you're missing. As Andy said, no-one is going to see it in Wales.
Wales seems to have a mental-block when it comes to showing off it's history. Everything relates to Wales being conquered by England, from the Normans (or Angevins) to Maggie T and the mine closures. It is a great pity because there is so much prehistory here that is never explored. Possibly the best example is the Great Orme mine in Llandudno. Archaeologists think it supplied about 80% of the Bronze Age copper in Europe but I have never heard or seen this talked about in Welsh media. However they are very willing to destroy a POW hut from which WW2 Germans made the biggest German escape of the war in order to build a rugby training centre.
Welcome to wonderful world of the Welsh.
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Andy B
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| Posted 26-07-2005 at 23:12
> a POW hut from which WW2 Germans made the biggest German escape
Fascinating - link please. I've often toyed with a 'Wartime' Portal but I can't do everything.
Recommended sites:
http://www.subbrit.org.uk
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/index.shtml
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/roc/index2.shtml
This is a particularty fascinating one for some reason:
Royal Observer Corps bunkers - there is one near you!
One day I'll see if we can get them sorted out with some Meg Portal style maps
Andy
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Andy B
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| Posted 26-07-2005 at 23:41
In web searching for some of these sites locally I've chanced upon another obscure landscape feature: Coal and Wine Tax Posts
http://www.rhaworth.myby.co.uk/coalwine/postlist.htm
People seem to have a compulsion to track down and photograph, feel reassured that it's not just us
http://www.cityoflondon.gov.uk/Corporation/leisure_heritage/architectural_heritage/coal_posts.htm
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Anonymous
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On a general note; how many of these antiquities would still be in existence today had they not been moved to "foreign" museums and how many of them would have broken up and sold piecemeal and out of context to the highest bidders or to tourists on the local markets?
Sure, send 'em back, along with the bills for maintenance and restoration costs.
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