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cropredy
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|  Posted 04-06-2006 at 13:13
JCAntunes,
You have made me learn quite a bit about ropes, because it is the length and strength of the required roping that bothers me ?
Found some early egyptian panels depicting rope manufacture.
If you refered to the motion needed as the earliest ROCK and ROLL event, you would attract attention?
They would surely have have had songs and music to assist the workload ?
It is the alignments that really caught my eye though, I find that at long barrows, the lines I follow go through the centre of the barrow, but at round barrows they are commonly in line with the edge of the barrow?
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| Posted 04-06-2006 at 13:48
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On 2006-06-04 00:41, JCAntunes wrote:
I will propose a new theory.
I hope everyone reads it!
Very soon in this address:
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Had look at that site. Are you serious? It's 'Bullshit' ( Australian expression which should be self explantory). Roy, rbatham : 
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| Posted 04-06-2006 at 16:09
rbatham, Don't worry if it's real or not.
There is many a true word said in jest ?
It's the alignments that are interesting, I wish I could do the graphics .
And it really made me think about ropes, which I wouldn't have , other than this appearing?
It's definately got to be ROCK& ROLL based?
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| Posted 04-06-2006 at 16:53
rbatham,
I have a hunch we may hear from an ALUN , who knows what he's on about ?
Focus on the lines, don't fret over the ropes.
The starman may appear soon, it is his thread ?
There are those starman, that value your comments above all others, I am one of those.
By gearing up the available force, Merlin could indeed have moved the stones?
There are two forces at work, wonder which is the stronger ?
I favour balance.
Kevin
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| Posted 04-06-2006 at 17:22
rbatham, If you think about the gearing, and the resultant alteration in available force ( they mention 30/1)
Then imagine nine sets of this force, in three banks of three's,
Then do the sums of the resultant force , even if the starting force was invisable to only Merlin?
Then by transferring this force along straight lines, flowing both ways, a field within a field would appear, and as if by magick, stones would move from one spot to another, along straight pathways.
Now that would be rock and roll, especially if the stones turned up ?
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On 2006-06-04 13:48, rbatham wrote:
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On 2006-06-04 00:41, JCAntunes wrote:
I will propose a new theory.
henges.no.sapo.pt
Hi, yes agree, complete bullshit!
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| Posted 07-06-2006 at 12:52
Would be interesting to know how many different theories there are out there on the construction/use of Stonehenge and other Stone circles/prehistoric sites.
There must be quite a few.
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On 2006-06-07 12:52, coldrum wrote:
Would be interesting to know how many different theories there are out there on the construction/use of Stonehenge and other Stone circles/prehistoric sites.
There must be quite a few.
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| Posted 07-06-2006 at 21:30
flatcap, Is't thee al reet t'old flower ?
Hope the starman re-appears ?
This is his thread, and thar shunt start ow't thar can't finish, reet
Sort of , if thar can't lift rock up't , don't get oddof it in't first place?
I reckon them there egyptians knew a bit of magic ?
So , did they get it from us?
, when they came for black jet ?
Or did Merlin learn from them ?
T'either way, how the hell did they move them bloody great rocks ?
Jcantunes says it was rock and roll,
Some say bullshit!
I say forget the ropes , look at the angles.
I like the gearing, 30 to the power of nine ?
Kevin
[ This message was edited by: cropredy on 2006-06-07 21:33 ]
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| Posted 08-06-2006 at 07:20
,I say forget the ropes , look at the angles.
I like the gearing, 30 to the power of nine ?
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[/quote]And I say forget the gearing. Since the poster himself has not made any defence of his theory, let's get critical. First the coin. he says throw a coin on the table. All depends on how the coin strikes the table. If at the correct angle the part of the periphery that hits the table will lose kinetic energy while the rest of the coin moves on, creating a 'couple' which results in rotary motion. this rotary motion will continue until all energy is lost. The rotary motion causes the ' nutation' and NOT as suggested ,nutation causes rotation.
Crane, none of the diagrams is a lifting devise, they are more like winches or capstans. Ropes, The strength of a rope is proportional to its cross sectional area and inversally to it;s length, in other words, a short thick rope is stronger than a long thin one. The ropes suggested are very looongggg, made of human hair or leather or tree bark fibres. They would stretch under load consuming a lot of energy. They are laid on the ground or wound around stones subject to enormous friction. Gears, these enormous wooden structures would be too heavy to move in one piece or tilt. the tensile strength of timber would be insufficient, they would break apart, and being gears they do not have a smooth periphery like the coin, the spur teeth would dig into the ground. Most of the diagrams show the rope being wound around the periphery of the gears so NO mechanical advantage, Could say a lot more . Roy
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| Posted 08-06-2006 at 13:22
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On 2006-06-04 00:41, JCAntunes wrote:
I will propose a new theory.
I hope everyone reads it!
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At first glance I thought you had come to the same conclusions as myself but, then I realized you literally do mean ropes. That's cool as it may help others understand how Earth Energy works in relation to our 'sacred' sites and ourselves of course.
I particularly enjoyed your reference to a spinning coin, one I use myself when explaining the 'Quickening'.
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| Posted 08-06-2006 at 13:41
Flatcap, How do t'old flower ?,
I think if you read through jcantunes post, it was professor SDantunes who used the spinning coin to explain his theory of the rocking structures.
When I read it, I was obviously struck by the alignments and gearing , for other reasons than ropes, as you can imagine.
I did spend an hour reading up on ropes though , as all the organic evidence at ancient sites will long ago have decomposed, and they will surely have been master rope makers ?
I like the way the rope theory gives a visual demonstration of the alignments around the sites, so many people have concentrated too long on what is left, and have forgotten what may have been around these sites.
I almost ignore the stones now, they hardly interest me, it is the embankments and ditches that fascinate me, they knew how to manipulate something around these allright.
I have stood and watched as thousands parade around SH, without any understanding of the wider picture , they are transfixed by the stones, not me, I wander around the fields and causeways, following what is still been pulled around those clockwork constructions.
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|  Posted 08-06-2006 at 14:26
Blackpuddin' flatcap whippet. When the inverted tree stump at the centre of Seahenge was lifted out, it was found to have a rope of twisted Honeysuckle wrapped round (and through) it,
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| Posted 08-06-2006 at 15:19
Out of interest has any-one had a go at making rope from materials that would have been around in the Neolithic/Bronze age and trying them out.
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| Posted 08-06-2006 at 15:19
bernardquartermass, On't reet side 'at pennines, at a village called Aberford, I used to love to watch the May pole been raised, and danced around.
The wrapping and tightening in of the ropes is I feel a rememberance of something done a long long time ago?
I was following a line in Warc's that leads to a so called roman fort, it passed through the local manor house grounds, so I went and knocked on the door to ask permission to follow it, I was warmly recieved by a fine English gentleman who was extremely interested in my dowsing, whilst talking to him I said about the line going straight through an oak tree on his land, he told me that the tree was planted in the 1890s to commerate victorias 60th jubillee, but before that, it had been the spot where the may pole was sited, for as long as anyone has any records.
I took more notice of the tree then, and found 19 leylines crossing through it, I wonder if the ropes numbers matched this on the may pole ?
They wouldn't want to let the dragon that supplies all life to escape at that moment of the season would they ?
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| Posted 08-06-2006 at 15:39
Coldrum, If anyone has made any rope, what use were you thinking of putting it to ?
A hangmans rope springs to mind ?
I tried to find a link to ancient ropes, did find a picture of ancient Egypt , showing a panel depicting a rope making loom.
I feel for certain the ancient peoples will have been experts at making all sorts of materials, and will have recognised any special properties all natural things possesed.
Through my dowsing ,I am coming to recognise so many ways that nature uses all around to her benifit, trees are stunning, and I feel little is actually made of when a tree is cut, and what secret properties the tree has, I find most naturally occuring successfull trees are perfectly positioned, and would appear to be able to use the force I call plasma to their benifit, by turning four or more incoming flows upward, and thus creating a seperate FIELD around themselves.
If I am correct about this,, if the tree is cut when it is performing this feat ( spring/summer ) then if the trunk is placed on a similer spot (Woodhenge) then a whole series of them in circles precisely positioned, would create a powerfull FIELD, but you may need to replace the cut trunks on a reguler basis, to maintain the special properties in the tree, which may diminish as the trunk decomposes, better if you could find another natural substance that does the same but lasts a bit longer, say stones ?
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| Posted 08-06-2006 at 17:22
My query was simply to find if any-one had come across any experimental archaeology that used materials available in prehistory to make usable ropes that could pull megaliths/large trees.
The Honeysuckle rope found with the Seahenge tree trunk was obviously strong enough to lift the central trunk.
Would it have been tough enough to lift megaliths,did they use other plant materials or leather strips maybe.
I've seen the experiments when they've pulled stones and erected them,did they use ,though,ropes made from the appropriate materials.
Also theres the possibilty that different types of rope were used for different purposes,in some religious type of way,so maybe one type for stones and one for wood.
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| Posted 08-06-2006 at 17:44
http://answers.com/topic/rope
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On 2006-06-08 14:26, BERNARDQUATERMASS wrote:
Blackpuddin' flatcap whippet. When the inverted tree stump at the centre of Seahenge was lifted out, it was found to have a rope of twisted Honeysuckle wrapped round (and through) it,
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Yeah, somebody moored a boat there. 
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| Posted 09-06-2006 at 12:33
Just going ba***** to the construction of the Great Pyramids. Don't forget that thousands of people were involved. The nearby builders/workers village was a vast community of about 20,000 people! Plus they had barra***** accommodation for 2,000 temporary workers. They also had dray animals such as Oxen (and horses). One theory on how the dressed stones were put in place was by winching them up sand banks using many teams of
Oxen, ropes and a winch system.
Would've thought that they used Oxen/animal power at Stonehenge as well as plenty of man power. In the beginning there was just a bank and ditch and the Heel stone. The next 4 building stages/changes took part over a period of some 1,500 years and many people still believe that the Bluestones had been brought to the area by glaciers.
No mysterious magical power involved! Man has just lost the physical ability/knowhow as there's been no need to get involved in construction today - mechanical machines do all the hard labour.
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