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cropredy
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|  Posted 31-05-2006 at 09:25
rbatham, thanks for the link, good on yer, down there( or do you regard us as down ?)
I suppose we are so used to looking at maps, showing your country at the bottom.
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| Posted 31-05-2006 at 12:20
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On 2006-05-31 09:25, cropredy wrote:
rbatham, thanks for the link, good on yer, down there( or do you regard us as down ?)
I suppose we are so used to looking at maps, showing your country at the bottom.
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 Yeah, were downunder, you;re up there. Only trouble i have is all stars and constellations are upside down. rbatham
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| Posted 31-05-2006 at 12:44
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On 2006-05-30 16:19, bat400 wrote:
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On 2006-05-30 11:44, Anonymous wrote:
Moving one stone does not build the monument.
True, but every aspect of transporting and erecting the largest Stonehenge sarsens has been replicated. 800 people haven't been financed to spend a year or two on the whole job, but it has all been demonstrated, often many times.
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I agree which this point. The Nova demonstrations (and others) were performed on shoe string budgets by a variety of "experts" in their spare time - often very limited. It was not their "job" to get these building projects done. And the moderns are not experts in the sense that the ancient people were.
The modern expert in moving heavy objects is not the expert at moving heavy objects with timber and rope. The evidence of methods of quarrying, measuring, and moving are available.
If you are looking for an illustrated manual stamped "4000 BC" you won't find it. But then there is also no illustrated manual on how the Wright Brother's built their first Flyer. Replicating that with period materials was also exceeding difficult - with many false turns - and ended up with a plane that the pilot (not an "expert") immediately crashed. Yet I don't think the Wright Brothers possessed mystic secrets.
[/quote]  Okay, I submit. If it is possible to move stones by rope and timber then the assembly shoukd be possible. I have no other theory has to how it was done. Aliens with space technology are hardly likely to put stone circles all over the place. SH was built over a long period and consisted of say 100 stones? generous estimate? The same does not apply to the great pyramid. The mathematics just does not allow it. Incidently, the figure of 2.5 million stones is incorrect. I worked this out some time ago. The volume of a pyramid is 1/3 it's enclosing cube or prism. By t he measurements I have it works out to 2.5 million cu mtres. Since many of thhe stones are greater than 1 cu mtr. there must be less. But say 2 million blocks presents the sme problem if we stick with Herodotus and his twenty years, 100,000 stones per year? 274 per day. or 1 every 5 mins. It is just not possible to cut and dress them in that time. Just how long it took ? I have no idea.rbatham
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| Posted 31-05-2006 at 15:34
rbatham, One other way of looking at this whole problem is:- where does all the so called energy on this planet come from ?
Every bit of the energy involved in all aspects of the stones coming from the ground , and eventually been stood up, involves gravity.
If we realised what creates gravity, and then learn't how to manipulate it, anything, only weighs what it does in relation to the direction of the gravity it is influenced by?
We fight the gravity of this planet, and I marvel at the fantastic achievements of so many in their ingenious efforts to overcome it.
I am totally biased about this subject, because I have been lifted through the air, with no feeling of force, and landed aprox 9/10 feet away, at a stone circle.
I can never view gravity in the same way again, and as I have a really good idea of what was causing this to happen to me, I am searching and finding evidence to substanciate the fact that gravity is fairly easily overcome, and I believe that a past race on this planet, took it as the norm.
The tree is the big clue, again I have an advantage , my dowsing has led me to realise that all the largest most successfull trees grow in a most certain spot.
This spot is where four or more flows of a force enter the tree at 90 degree points around its circumference, somehow the tree by way of its structure internally turns these flows upwards, and creates a field around itself, with the fields North pole uppermost, if you can visualise this as a globe around the tree, then Australia would be around ground level.
In this way the sap rises, the effect of this is very subtle, but I feel it explains why sensitive people feel uplifted alongside trees, the vast majority of the population laugh at such people, but I don't.
If you could emulate this, and create a seperate field around a stone, the stone would not weigh anything in the field of this planet, and I fink I know how they did this, by looking at the clues, and working them out with dowsers eyes, I can see what most overlook.
I spent three hours last week, working this out in the British museum, staring at the Egyptian clues, because they were the ultimate dowsers, and it takes one to recognise one.
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| Posted 02-06-2006 at 05:49
Kevin, I'm not into all this metaphysical stuff. The sun is the source of all energy on earth. gravity as explained by Newton is still valid. (his inverse square law etc. Einstein's view that gravity is not a force but cannot be distinguished from acceleration. One point that I can't understand from Einstein is- The spinning earth creates an acceleration towards it's centre. Using the formula a=vr^2 it works out at 9.8 mtr sec/sec at the equator. So moving towards the poles gravity (or acceleration) should decrease steadily and be 0 at the poles. The poles are not really spinning. But this does not happen. The acceleration is about 9.8 mts everywhere.
With dowsing I only belive what I find to be true, I can do it for water. I can use a twig or steel wire. copper or aluminium do not work. With wire I find that it will align itself to the axis of tree roots, but as I approach the tree the wire gets repelled from the trunk. The wire simply does not want to touch the tree. Incidently, another aspect, when I use a forked twig it does not dip down as with most dowsers but springs upwards. Can;t explain this except that I am left-handed. I still think that this type of dowsing has something to do with the electro-magnetic spectrum. rbatham
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| Posted 02-06-2006 at 10:23
rbatham, " I am left handed" snap, it's been researched in dowsing circles about left handedness, and differing degrees of dyslexia.
When you said "as I approach the tree the wires are repelled " you dowser you ?
You are registering a difference in the field around you, the tree creates its own field, by manipulating the force that is actually creating gravity.
I am very fortunate , I have no pre-concieved ideas, or brainwashing , as I see it.
So Newton, einstein etc etc, are just names to me.
Instead of viewing space as empty, as these people had to do ?
Try to imagine it as been full, and here is where there is a gap, what is crammed into space then beams in here , influenced by all the other gaps (stars , planets etc ) these gaps have almost fixed positions, so any signal from them stays almost constant in its direction.
The gaps are been filled in by the substance that the gaps are bobbing about in, lots of the laws of einstien are relevant , but, he thought space was empty as such.
Everything is made by the substance in space, I call it plasma, when this arrives here , it travels along radio waves in groups of nines, the Egyptian dowsers, knew this and called the nine lines gods, all coming from the one god RE , they where in a way right, and so were working along the right footpath.
Everything, everywhere, is compressed radio waves, everything, everything, everything.
SO are YOU, you can atune to everything else, you haven't needed to to survive, so you have almost forgotten.
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| Posted 02-06-2006 at 12:35
 Kevin, Newton thought that space was a vacuum, Einstein as a fabric. I think you'll find that modern astromoners now think space is filled with allsorts of particles and radiation from the sun and other stars, so there is a 'field' of sorts verywhere.
With dowsing I generally hold the wire horizontal and it swings when I cross a stream (or tree root) have you tried a wire vertically near a tree or stone. I don't have any stone circles to go dowsing.Roy
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| Posted 02-06-2006 at 14:02
rbatham,
I will say that you have a circle to dowse within half a mile of you now. a smaller one within yards of you now.
Has I have never been to Australia, I can't pronounce that as fact, but I am 100% certain.
The force of the plasma flow is very, very subtle, it contributes to the creation of gravity, but, the spinning mass holds everything into a globe shape, and has the highest force as far as gravity is concerned.
But , if the subtle force is accumulated, and built up, so that it becomes anything but subtle, then, in a contained environment, that attracts the flow ( google willhelm reich ) then it could hold the upper hand, and create a seperate field inside a box like structure, where whatever was inside the box,was not subject to the earths field, in other words the secret inside the ark of the covenant was , there is nothing in the ark of the covenant.
The earths gravity will overcome a dowsing rod held vertically, this is why dowsers then employ pendulem devices, these are commonly made of pieces of quartz, or similer, I have seen dowsers using these and the pendulem has been held at 45 degrees to vertical, this is because an alteration to the gravity field at that spot is occuring, and the field around the dowser is atuned to the earths, and the difference between the dowsers field and the earths field is seen when the quartz is attracted to one or the other.
We have the ability, some of your early inhabitants of Australia definately have the ability, I can see that in the markings they leave to describe the flow of plasma, they show how it leaves the pond( billabong) and makes its way up to the hill top, or visa versa, it does both ways, and so has been shown biting its own tail, it moves around the circles that you say you don't have in Aussie.
Each circle turns in the opposite direction to the previous one, so as you follow the flow, it appears to be that of an invisable serpent winding along, and if you had the fine tuned hunting skills that those people have, you could do what I do, because I can match any dowser anywhere.
Kevin( not meaning to sound arrogant, or to be preaching, just saying what I find)
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I have found that the lettuce in a ham sandwich will quiver at exactly 50Hz when above a transition in the earths goo-forces. The goo-forces flow west from any point on the earths surface towards saturns ring. Mercury also influences these goo-forces, I have tested this while asleep on my lawn. I find these transitions everywhere, especially everywhere I go. They can be found in places I haven't been to yet.
In Tanzania they used chicken sandwiches to trace these forces until this was banned by the World Bank, the IMF and Elton John, in 1983.
The ancients used this goo-force to cheat in pole vaulting competitions and navigate in fog.
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| Posted 02-06-2006 at 16:15
Groovy baby, groovy.
Hope that LITTLE ditty, hasn't strained your LITTLE brain at all?
It's a pity you've only got a little ditty,
I was so getting into the groovy flow of things,
LITTLE baby,
Kevin
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| Posted 03-06-2006 at 11:44
Can we be sure that Goo-forces do not exist.
And was the universe indeed created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster:
http://www.venganza.org/
Who is right,who is wrong and is the Flying Spaghetti Monster having a laugh at our expense.
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On 2006-06-03 11:44, coldrum wrote:
Can we be sure that Goo-forces do not exist.
And was the universe indeed created by the Flying Spaghetti Monster:
http://www.venganza.org/
Who is right,who is wrong and is the Flying Spaghetti Monster having a laugh at our expense.
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 Things are getting personal and some are taking the P***. I prefer a serious discussion.
I don't see dowsing in the same light as cropedy. I only know of water diving or rhabdomancy as it should be called. It is not diving at all. Some time in the distant past someone must have carried a forked twig and felt it move. No explanation was available and the phenomenon aquired the mystical properties that it has not been able to shake off today.If you are an unbeilever try it yourself. Cut a wire coathanger and make an L shape, one leg about 15in, the other slightly bigger than your hand. Hold it horizontally in front of you and cross an open area. If nothing happens first time try again, it might take a bit of practice. You may be able to find water or it may align to tree roots (which contain water). As I have said elsewhere in the forum anyone can do it. I learnt from someone who felt the 'fields' strongly. You may only feel them weakly. I have taught others to do it and at first they are amazed. Roy aka rbatham
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| Posted 03-06-2006 at 13:02
Not taking the mick,have just come across some pretty wild theories about things that you do wonder if some-one is joking or not.
Sometimes too something might start out as a joke and sonwball into something else.
Besides having a bit of light heartedness now and then can only be a good thing.
I'm pagan and i get the usual do you dance in the woods/around stone circles naked,sacrifice chickens /virgins,hug trees,wear velvet and a long cloak etc etc.
I just laugh.
I also have tried dowsing,I have rods myself and when time permits will be getting into it a bit more.
Tried dowsing at Avebury once but my rods ended up in a mole hill after my little nephew got hold of them.
This might be of interest :
http://www.pauldevereux.co.uk/new/body_dragonproject.html
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/aburnham/book/devereux1trans.htm
I found the book Places of Power by Paul Devereux very interesting.
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On 2006-05-29 22:33, Andy B wrote:
Dear me. This is the Forum. F-o-r-u-m. People express views here and are free to do so. Some of them might not agree with yours. Discussion goes on. You get the idea?
If you don't like this please stick to the rest of the site where nothing is 'going downhill', it's the same high quality of information as usual.
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Andy---
The Forum listing does state that this Forum is for Registered Users.
Are the Anons R_E_G_I_S_T_E_R_E_D ??   
I believe I met cropredy & Coldrum & rbatham on another Forum ( IIDB ) ?? Or did I dream it or hallucinate it or did the S--i Monster communicate it to me ?? Some far-out ideas at times but they ARE Registered. Why would anyone want to post long & provoking & controversial posts here & be afraid/notbothered/uncaring to R-E-G-I-S-T-E-R ???
btw on IIDB I am under another name, so don't look for me.
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| Posted 03-06-2006 at 19:21
I've just recently changed it to 'Registered Users' only but the old anon comments remain.
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On 2006-06-03 19:21, Andy B wrote:
I've just recently changed it to 'Registered Users' only but the old anon comments remain.
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Thank you. Thought I was hallucinating again -- antigravity flights do bring the hallucinations on --I don't smoke or do drugs. Oh, a little booze at times.
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| Posted 03-06-2006 at 22:30
ryszard,
hopefully I will buy you a pint one day?
I am 100% certain of my findings.
Those that ridicule and disrupt, may have a reason to ?
FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY COULD NOT KNOW.
Kevin
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I will propose a new theory.
I hope everyone reads it!
Very soon in this address:
henges.no.sapo.pt
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JCAntunes,
Fantastic, this would surely be better as a seperate thread ?
Kevin
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On 2006-06-03 13:02, coldrum wrote:
Not taking the mick,have just come across some pretty wild theories about things that you do wonder if some-one is joking or not.
Sometimes too something might start out as a joke and sonwball into something else.
Besides having a bit of light heartedness now and then can only be a good thing.
I'm pagan and i get the usual do you dance in the woods/around stone circles naked,sacrifice chickens /virgins,hug trees,wear velvet and a long cloak etc etc.
I just laugh.
I also have tried dowsing,I have rods myself and when time permits will be getting into it a bit more.
Tried dowsing at Avebury once but my rods ended up in a mole hill after my little nephew got hold of them.
This might be of interest :
http://www.pauldevereux.co.uk/new/body_dragonproject.html
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/aburnham/book/devereux1trans.htm
I found the book Places of Power by Paul Devereux very interesting.
[ This message was edited by: coldrum on 2006-06-03 13:18 ]
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 thanks fro those two links. I found the second informative but a bit dated. The first? well, Spaghetti monsters? Why do we have to put up with these irreverent inventions. Everyone should know that the universe was sneezed out of the nose of the Great GreenArkle-seizure. See ' The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy. ( not the crappy yankee moviee) but read the oriinal Douglas Adams. Nothing like good old English philosophy. rbatham
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