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User not Registered |  Posted 14-09-2005 at 01:35
Discovery channel still, even nw telling us things abot Giza that experts have dismissed as utter crap.
"you must watch it then" 
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| Posted 14-09-2005 at 21:40
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Discovery channel still, even nw telling us things abot Giza that experts have dismissed as utter crap.
"you must watch it then"
NO Professional archaeologists and TV producers work to totally different agenda. Archaeologists cannot allow themselves to be attached to a lunatic fringe and for the sake of their careers must remain in the mainstream. TV people need to be sensational or at the very least latch on to new theories.
Unfortunately, between the two the truth gets lost for the sake of careers and a few pieces of silver.
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| Posted 14-09-2005 at 23:09
Yes and then we have the barmy army who cannot credit ancient man with the wonderful constructions they built with skill, intelligence, craftsmanship, blood and sweat. They insult the ancients labourers, architects, artists and engineers by insisting that their acheivements were really those of aliens and gods! Let's give credit where due and get a reality check on daft ideas. Shame on modern authors who take away the credit from those who deserve it just to make a fast buck selling daft books to the gullible. Fools and their money are soon parted.
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| Posted 15-09-2005 at 00:11
>>You need to open your minds to the posability of >>the mind and biological evolution
You just reminded me of a fantastic headline in the Daily Telegraph newspaper regarding the Roswell fake video that was 'proof' of aliens and quoted in Francis Wheens book:
"If you open your mind far enough, your brain may fall out"
There is a decisive difference between an 'open mind' and a discerning open mind. We need to distinguish more often between the two. Being open minded isn't a virtue or an asset if its not accompanied by a discerning rationality, else you will, as some people have demonstrated, believe anything.
Its truly the greatest irony that people accuse those who try to work within the rational as being closed minded, yet rejecting the imperfect yet rational in favour of little green men or reptiles from the Fort Dementia or wherever it is this week (you can sic me if you must) is as closed minded as its possible to get.
I would reply that believing takes measurement and rational scrutiny to be worthwhile, if what you believe doesn't stand to rational scrutiny and measurement then your better off getting off the soap box and keeping your beliefs to yourself.
I am a great believer in free speech so dont be afraid to say what you like about whatever you like (then again this forum is not a public brain toilet), maybe the moon is made of cheese or the stars connect to spell out next weeks lotto numbers, just dont expect what you say to go unchallenged. All I would add is that patronising those who dont believe what you do and calling them 'sheep' is not good form.
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| Posted 15-09-2005 at 08:34
Following Sem's comments about archaeologists and film-makers having different agendas....
Some people may remember that the Stonehengineers group, with Gorden Pipes as chief instigator, took part in two experiments in moving large stones. The second was filmed for TV.
This site (the update) shows our successes, and the difficulties involved with filming... http://www.stonehengetheanswer.com
Jimit.
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Anonymous
User not Registered | Posted 15-09-2005 at 10:14
I see that the Stonehengineers wore green jerseys that are precisely the same colour as many lizards.
I'm sure many people will dismiss that as mere coincidence, as you are all closed minded here.
If only you'd liberate your minds and read my book, "If I think it might be, it is" ($99.99).
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|  Posted 15-09-2005 at 10:29
Does your book explain how the Lizards built the Ark with old sets of dentures? If it does please reserve me a copy.
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User not Registered | Posted 15-09-2005 at 10:43
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On 2005-09-15 10:29, Jimit wrote:
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Strangely enough...
http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:7XKtzoRrz7QJ:slowburn.com/blog/%3Fp%3D43+lizards+ark&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
Don'tcha just love Google?!
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|  Posted 15-09-2005 at 11:22
.....and the link from that site is even more hysterical.. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-dinosaurs27aug27,0,3988775,full.story?coll=la-home-local  and where did Noah store all the fish or did they all drown?
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User not Registered | Posted 15-09-2005 at 13:21
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Tsk! No fish on the ark. Go away and read yer bible, it says "every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth". That ain't fish.
Actually, a little known Hebrew scroll, discovered in my loft, indicates he did try to catch some on hooks, but he had to give up as he only had two worms.
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| Posted 15-09-2005 at 14:17
"every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth"
...so all the birds drowned when the waters covered the trees? Which reminds me, where did all the subsequent flora come from?
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User not Registered | Posted 15-09-2005 at 16:08
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On 2005-09-15 00:11, KenWilliams wrote:
>>You need to open your minds to the posability of >>the mind and biological evolution
You just reminded me of a fantastic headline in the Daily Telegraph newspaper regarding the Roswell fake video that was 'proof' of aliens and quoted in Francis Wheens book:
"If you open your mind far enough, your brain may fall out"
There is a decisive difference between an 'open mind' and a discerning open mind. We need to distinguish more often between the two. Being open minded isn't a virtue or an asset if its not accompanied by a discerning rationality, else you will, as some people have demonstrated, believe anything.
Its truly the greatest irony that people accuse those who try to work within the rational as being closed minded, yet rejecting the imperfect yet rational in favour of little green men or reptiles from the Fort Dementia or wherever it is this week (you can sic me if you must) is as closed minded as its possible to get.
I would reply that believing takes measurement and rational scrutiny to be worthwhile, if what you believe doesn't stand to rational scrutiny and measurement then your better off getting off the soap box and keeping your beliefs to yourself.
I am a great believer in free speech so dont be afraid to say what you like about whatever you like (then again this forum is not a public brain toilet), maybe the moon is made of cheese or the stars connect to spell out next weeks lotto numbers, just dont expect what you say to go unchallenged. All I would add is that patronising those who dont believe what you do and calling them 'sheep' is not good form.
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Hi Ken, to be closed or narrow minded indicates a clear lack of imagination.
I spent many years living in your world of lies and contradictions and I found it most uninspirational. Like the world in which I was living I found the vast majority of people to be uninspirational too.
To be perfectly blunt Ken, you ain't got a clue.
I'd rather you had a laugh at my expense than shit your self at my truths.
mike
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KenWilliams
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| Posted 15-09-2005 at 16:49
>>Hi Ken, to be closed or narrow minded indicates a clear lack of imagination.
Hi Mike,
That doesn't contradict anything I said? I said that being open minded is only an asset if its accompanied by a rational intellect. Being able to weigh up the possibilites according to knowledge rather than presumptions. I consider myself as open minded as its possible to be without becoming anybodys fool. I dont have much time for close minded people either, especially if there is a rational, logical discussion to be had.
>>I spent many years living in your world of lies and contradictions and I found it most uninspirational.
My world? You know as much about my world as you do about my shoe size, your reliance on assumptions is going to run you into difficulties if it hasn't already!
>>To be perfectly blunt Ken, you ain't got a clue.
There you go again...
Why cant you understand that its perfectly natural for a rational person to be skeptical? After all the ***** the human race has had to wade through over the millenia from various gods to astrology, superstitions, myths, fairytales etc. Its been a long hard struggle, I for one am not handing over my intelligence without a damn good reason.
>>I'd rather you had a laugh at my expense than shit your self at my truths
If there is only one thing I do know, its that anyone claiming to posses 'the truth' is invariably full of shit. I do respect anyone claiming to have the evidence but truth is only our perception of reality. To get from reality to 'truth' in a human brain it has to go through all sorts of selective filters and biases and the finished product is our belief. You say you believe Ike's books, but the evidence shows that his predictions and truths have to filter through irrational messiah complexes, paranoia and whatever else went up his nose in the 80's.
Do yourself a favour and read or re-read some Chomsky/Pilger and get back on the practical course of getting this messed up race back on the right track. Lets face it, if we are in fact dealing with a reptilian race of shape shifters who control the world and out thoughts then we are seriously outclassed and might as well have a few pints and kick the feet up for a game of footie while the universe explodes.
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User not Registered | Posted 15-09-2005 at 17:50
Hi Ken, I don't make assumptions about people, I let them speak for themselves. For instance, if you read my post again you will see I refer to 'My Truth' not 'The Truth' as you have said. This tells me you're not paying attention. You continue to have a laugh and I wont waste my time with you. If you don't want to know, just say so, I don't care.
mike
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| Posted 15-09-2005 at 19:07
There are two kinds of truth? Either you believe your 'truth' applies universally to me and everyone else or else you dont believe in it at all.
I don't mind listening to what you believe at all, you seem like a smart guy, I just judge what people say by the quality of their sources. No reflection on you personally.
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User not Registered | Posted 15-09-2005 at 22:01
Hi Ken, people here don't like being told the truth so for them I call it my own. That way, (for them) my reality exists only in my world and their comfort zones are undisturbed.
I stopped making assumptions about people a long time ago Ken. No need to these days, the majority might as well be clones of eachother. You can read them like a book!
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| Posted 16-09-2005 at 11:15
The other side of the coin is of course that the 'sheep' read you like a book too, where you see them as ignorant and blind, they see you as just a wee bit too gullible.
This apparent contempt you have for the ordinary Joe Soap is predictable really, it seems some people have extraordinary difficulty accepting that they are ordinary and everyday too. Much better to be 'chosen', selected for some grand purpose or one of the few with complete awareness of what others cannot see. To me its a bit childlike really, children love to imagine they are in with Harry Potter and the gang and everyone else is a muggle. Its a universal fantasy. To make an 'us' of course, something to fit in to where reality is too awkward, there has to be a 'them' and the more comic book like, evil and nasty the better. It helps if they are extraordinarily elusive, cunning and possesing super human powers, makes a 'one size fits all' excuse for having no evidence.
You do tend to get quite aggressive in your tone when someone challenges you Mike, maybe its you who is having your fragile comfort zones challenged?
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User not Registered | Posted 16-09-2005 at 18:12
Hi Ken, if you want to talk about me with me I would suggest you read my site and familiarize yourself with the facts. I've been down this road too many times to be bothered. Same old rhetoric. Pull me apart for my ideas, something that has not been aired on here or the TMA.
mike
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User not Registered | Posted 17-09-2005 at 00:58
It wasn't about you specifically, its just a stereotype conjured up without knowing a whole lot about someone. Not very nice is it? Quite frustrating too.
I have read your site incidentally but cant say I'm much of a critic on poetry, though I did like the fact that David Bowie, the KLF and Moses find a home. I have to say however that I dont believe in the first moses and I won't believe in any other moses getting messages from 'voices'. Two is a crowd in any mans head.
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User not Registered | Posted 17-09-2005 at 13:01
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It wasn't about you specifically, its just a stereotype conjured up without knowing a whole lot about someone. Not very nice is it? Quite frustrating too.
I have read your site incidentally but cant say I'm much of a critic on poetry, though I did like the fact that David Bowie, the KLF and Moses find a home. I have to say however that I dont believe in the first moses and I won't believe in any other moses getting messages from 'voices'. Two is a crowd in any mans head.
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I think you'll find there are three voices, (minimum) in everyone's head. Only one is yourself!
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