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TimPrevett
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|  Posted 08-02-2005 at 20:53
Given recent discussion on orbs, and the likelihood that Most Haunted will continue to popularise these, I thought I'd place the discussion on orbs here.
I'll copy and paste recent discussions from the stones chat list here,
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TimPrevett
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|  Posted 08-02-2005 at 20:53
At the end of a busy week now, so time to post a bit more freely...
Club Zero http://www.clubzero.co.uk/index.htm did an investigation at Dewa
Roman Experience (one of my employers) and, myself, and some of my
colleagues attended different parts of the proceedings, and then three of us
slept over in the cellar from 3:15am onwards...
Nothing happened during the sleep over, but in the morning, I was blinding
my colleagues with the flash in the darkness (still great fun even at 32!),
and not looking for a spooky shot, and ended up with that favourite of
phenomena on "Most Haunted" - some orbs on some of my photos
What I find particularly relevant to the photo is some of the 'sensitives'
(AKA clairvoyant / psychic) claims that a spirit walks the boards here above
the cellar, and while it would not enter the cellar, it may pause to watch
us from there. I asked if they thought any particular place in the centre
was the best to sleep in, and in the light of other claimed activity going
on, two of them said the cellar was the best bet.
In favour of it being 'unusual' is 1) In taking over 9700 images with this
camera, I have never picked up anything like this 2) the two images, taken 9
minutes apart show the orb still there, in slightly different locations, 3)
In the first pic, Rob is returning from checking out the building, as I had
heard squeaking doors and some footsteps, and felt supsicious that the
manager could let himself in early and frighten the proverbial out of us!
Against - 1) flying insects are spotted down there, and 2) the wall to the
top left of the steps is often damp from condensation - but for 1) The bug
is in the near same position near 10 mins later, and 2) the orb does not
seem far back enough for it to be the condensation.
Since then I have taken a total of 20 shots, and orbs occur in 4 shots; 3
separate pics of them in a similar area. I've checked for cobwebs, and
nothing obvious. Also the orbs, perfectly visible on the photos on the LCD
screen of my Nikon Coolpix, is hardly visible on the colour pictures
uploaded! I've changed the picture to a negative, which shows up the
location of the orb.
Thoughts & feelings?
Most fascinated,
cheers
Tim
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TimPrevett
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| Posted 08-02-2005 at 20:54
Not sure if these can be viewed by all, but here's a shot...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/ShropshireTraveller/Orbs04a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/ShropshireTraveller/Orbs3a.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/ShropshireTraveller/Orb01NegA.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v416/ShropshireTraveller/Orb02NegB.jpg
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Tim
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TimPrevett
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| Posted 08-02-2005 at 20:54
The "orbs" taken with your Nikon are probably airborne debris close to
the camera.
Digital cameras have tiny sensors and this greatly increases the depth
of field over even 35mm film cameras, and the flash tube is very close
to the lens. The burst of fairly weak flash illuminates closeby dust motes
intensely, while objects more distant receive only weak illumination. The
brightly illuminated motes are out of focus and show up as "orbs".
As a test, stand near the drawn curtains in your living room and take a
flash shot in complete darkness, take the shot with distant focus with
the curtains to one side. Now shake the curtains vigorously and repeat
the shot, if the curtains have not recently been cleaned you'll probably
see a sharp increase in "orbs".
On the paranormal shows that feature video footage of moving orbs,
note that they are using infrared illumination. As a keen infrared
photographer I can tell you that many objects have very different
reflectivity in IR light compared to visible. A small flying insect close to
the IR light source will shine brightly in IR against an IR dark
background. Obviously no-one can see the orb as the room is
completely dark in the visible spectrum.
You can make the orbs more visible in your digital shots by using the
levels histogram in Photoshop or similar.
Keith
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TimPrevett
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| Posted 08-02-2005 at 20:55
Maggie&Keith wrote:
>The "orbs" taken with your Nikon are probably airborne debris close to
>the camera.
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Yeah, Linda spends some of her spare time going on paranormal
investigations. The crew she is with seem quite level headed about it
all, take it quite seriously and don't jump to conclusions but there
have been one or two occasions where I've had to pop the bubble with
regards to "ghost" photos. One memorable "vortex" was clearly a camera
strap falling over the lens as the photo was taken, and I've lost count
of the number of "orbs" I've de-bunked. To illustrate to Linda what was
going on I took a photo across our living room using flash on my
digicam, no "orbs". I then took a used duster and shook it about a
little infront of the camera - humm it suddenly seemed we have a lot of spirits in our living room :^)
Dust, pollen, insects, water droplets... yet to see a ghost.
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TimPrevett
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| Posted 08-02-2005 at 20:56
> Try taking a photo in the rain ! - lots of 'orbs' !
> Gerald
as seen here at Maen Pebyll! Torrential driving rain in the wind...
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=10319
or
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=My_eGallery&file=ind
ex&do=showpic&pid=9539
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Tim
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| Posted 09-02-2005 at 00:46
more of these "orbs" to be seen here http://megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=My_eGallery&file=index&do=showpic&pid=6082
And I can confirm that it was heavily raining. TIny drops of condensation on a lens could do similar.
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| Posted 11-02-2005 at 06:17
Can you photographers explain "plasma" type configurations in the picture where there is no available "reflector" or such variable in the area. We have such an anomaly in only one of our photos while many were taken at the same area. There was little direct sunlight.
ADDENDUM: After scanning the photo and enlarging it the "plasma" aspect turned out to be a willowy type of light, kinda like you would see on (if you would excuse me) Stargate SG1. I know there are those who try to keep a stiff attitude toward things that cannot be measured because of propriety, ridicule, or just a healthy sense of "staying above the common hysteria that surrounds things that are temporarily unexplainable". But, the frames on either side of the run of the picture have no such quality (lense, light aborations (sp)), and the objects within the photo around and beyond the object in question are as clear as a bell. Different psychics/sensitives at the site have experienced a benevolent presence as also an Episcopalian priest friend of mine. who is to say what or for what purpose this anomaly is.
[ This message was edited by: Partlow on 2005-02-14 04:40 ]
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Anonymous
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I visited dewa experience to do a review for my site
http://www.chestertourist.com.
I am sensitive to atmospheres and found the cellar very uncomforable. After some walking around I decided to take a picture of the old steps in the corner (half of which are missing). I got a strong feeling 'someone' did not want me there. Seconds after I took the picture the halogen light lighting the corner of the cellar blew with a pop ! I then decided to leave quickly.
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On 2005-02-13 10:53, Anonymous wrote:
I visited dewa experience to do a review for my site
http://www.chestertourist.com.
I am sensitive to atmospheres and found the cellar very uncomforable. After some walking around I decided to take a picture of the old steps in the corner (half of which are missing). I got a strong feeling 'someone' did not want me there. Seconds after I took the picture the halogen light lighting the corner of the cellar blew with a pop ! I then decided to leave quickly.
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I hope you told a member of staff about the light - health & safety! That lamp is on a motion sensor to come on when someone descends the steps.
I spent a night (well 5 hours or so) sleeping in that cellar with 2 colleagues!
Interestingly, I did some filming in there with a team, and while being interviewed, their main camera registered the sound but did not record it - so they had to use another camera too, and dub the sound.
During the Club Zero investigation, one of the digital cameras ran out of charge after 3 photos, being freshly charged.
I've taken a number of photos down there with no problem!
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Tim
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wayland
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On 2005-02-11 06:17, Partlow wrote:
Can you photographers explain "plasma" type configurations in the picture where there is no available "reflector" or such variable in the area. We have such an anomaly in only one of our photos while many were taken at the same area. There was little direct sunlight.
ADDENDUM: After scanning the photo and enlarging it the "plasma" aspect turned out to be a willowy type of light, kinda like you would see on (if you would excuse me) Stargate SG1. I know there are those who try to keep a stiff attitude toward things that cannot be measured because of propriety, ridicule, or just a healthy sense of "staying above the common hysteria that surrounds things that are temporarily unexplainable". But, the frames on either side of the run of the picture have no such quality (lense, light aborations (sp)), and the objects within the photo around and beyond the object in question are as clear as a bell. Different psychics/sensitives at the site have experienced a benevolent presence as also an Episcopalian priest friend of mine. who is to say what or for what purpose this anomaly is.
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The type of thing you describe can occur due to stray light hitting the film at some stage.
Some possible causes include a light leak in the camera, opening the back of the camera accidentally, a faulty film canister, exposure to x-rays or bad handling at the photolab.
If you want a more detailed anaylsis I'd have to see the negatives.
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|  Posted 16-02-2005 at 22:19
Thank you to Wayland. We've had a professional photographer analyse the photo along with the other photos in the run and the negatives. She arrived at the conclusion that as the manifistation is in the negative, and that it is only in that frame (as well as being taken by a disposable camera) that there was no intrusion of light into the camera. This had to have been outside the camera. A retired NASA photographer/analyst friend of mine should be traveling up to see us soon and I shall have him analyze it. I would like to be able to present the negatives and photo group to you but for now distance and "pond" dictate.
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This is a photo that was taken at 10.30pm in a cemetery not far from my home. It was not rainning at the time and it never showed up untill i down loaded the photos on to my computer. please tell me what you all think.
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Anonymous
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ok, so i stumbled across this site.. and i have neven even thought twice about those crazy circles in some of my pictures, til now. i am in a sorority.. and everyone has told me this story about how our house is haunted.. because a lot of the girls that live there see things, but you can never tell how serious they are about it. well, we just had a big event at our house, and everyone was taking pictures with different cameras (digital camera, 35 mm w/film, disposable camera, camera phones), like tons of girls, and almost all of them had a white circle with a darker outline, some with stuff in the middle, somewhere in the pictures.. we took pictures other places than the house, and they didn't show up anywhere else, at all. i am kinda creeped out.. nobody else thinks its anything, except for a really good friend of mine in the sorority. this is all new to me, and i don't know much about this.... but how else can you explain like 10 different cameras, all different kinds, taking pictures of the same area, and all having those circles in them.... and there are pictures from years back with the same circles in the rooms. this is too crazy..
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I mentioned this to a friend the other day and he tells me there is another phenomenon called rods. Apparently these things look like eels floating in the air and are only seen on digital movie cameras. Experts say they are flying insects filmed at too few frames per second and are therefore blurred,whereas other people are claiming they are a new form of life only able to be photographed by digital equipment.
On a very serious note,in underwater photography orbs are known as backscatter and it is the eternal problem of all underwater photographers to keep it from appearing in our photographs.
One man's problem is another man's source of wonder.
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hi all i been researching orbs for about 3 years now i and i have come up with a theory witch is not ghosts rain or dust,we have come up something with some what more commlicated have a look at are website http://www.secretsofthestones.com and the page the theroy of everything
thanks paul and jonny 
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I find many similer findings, my drawings are based on many more lines, the resultant patterns are stunning, could you please post this on the modern antiquarian site ran by julian cope, they dont believe me, I know you are correct. Kevin
On 2006-01-10 20:09, jknnth wrote:
hi all i been researching orbs for about 3 years now i and i have come up with a theory witch is not ghosts rain or dust,we have come up something with some what more commlicated have a look at are website http://www.secretsofthestones.com and the page the theroy of everything
thanks paul and jonny
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Hiya,
I threw together a bit of a 'rant' on the (so called) 'Orb Phenomenon' some while ago now - that is, of course, if anyone ever feels bored enough to check it out .... LOL!!:
http://www.cyberpunks.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ORBS%20Diatribe.htm
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Nick
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