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cropredy
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On 2013-03-03 18:20, tiompan wrote:
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On 2013-03-03 16:04, tiompan wrote:
Roger , I have asked quite a few times whether any of the dowsers who post here could find "stuff " . This is what the BSD and most punters believe is within the capabilities of dowsers . You ae the only one to answer that and don't appear particularly positive merely "keeping an open mind " .Specialised or not and despite claims l from Cropredy like "I can dowse everything " it appears that dowsing for stuff is not on the agenda . That's fine and no more than expected .I don't believe anyone here or elsewhere can find "stuff" under test conditions with results better than chance . Maybe now we can move on and set the bar more realistically .What do you suggest would be a reasonable suggestion of dowsers abilities ?
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Finding things is a side show , and irrelevant , but will be very easy to do within the specific geometries relative to variant constructions.
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Side show or not . You continually avoid the question .
Can you or anyone else who dowses and posts here find anything specific under test conditions ?
If you can't , no problem and that is too specialised a task , as Roger suggests , fair enough we can move on .
All you have to say is yes or no minus the mumbo jumbo .
I won't hold my breath .
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The reference to "MUMBO JUMBO" is a reflection of Yourself and Your pre concieved prejudice.
I have written out add nausium how I can find the matrix under any test, lets say ten sheet of ply all in a line and I mark out a location that will be lazer straight??? through them, it is simple, and I have devine measure on My side.
With the embankments at Avebury I will plot out each and every vortex points multiple alignments, both inside the embankments and externally to the embankments, then it can be checked if they all align...they will exactly.
You appear to be blind to My posting this previously???
I cannot see through that mass of chalk, but it will not matter, I cannot see through the stones, but it will not matter, I will plot out either side of them dead straight alignments of the matrix.
I will then plot out how the serprnt flows are reacting at different times of day and night, and where they congregrate along specific routes...the reason of Avebury will be seen, maybe not by You??
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tiompan
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| Posted 03-03-2013 at 18:45
Yes , as expected no mention of any ability to find anything specific .
And the usual evasion and inability to answer a simple question .
That says it all .
No problem . We'll move on .
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| Posted 03-03-2013 at 19:05
Hi Cropredy
"Elijah,
Have You ever cast Your net in the direction of Australian aborgonals , with reference to their blood lettings in the ponds where the women are sent to bathe whilst menstruating??
The men cut their penis to put blood into the pond, where the serpents live???????"
No I haven't, and thanks for the reference. Its been a few years since I last examined antiquities many blood taboos; a phenomenon that surely shares its roots with that of ancient blood sacrifice.
Not sure about the fields you are dowsing? Apart from finding a few water pipes and electrical cables, the only other thing I've successfully dowsed are light beams. A crazy series of experiments that deserve much closer scrutiny. All I do know is that the dowser asks a conscious question and that they expect a response from the rods. Also that the rods movement itself is caused by an imperceptible muscle movement in the wrists; i.e. success is a subconscious movement.
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Track down a copy of BBC 2's Tomorrows World" entitled "Dowsing light Beams" and you will see proof of the dowsing phenomenon in action I know it sounds extraordinary, but the experiments I carried out not only confirmed this phenomenon to my satisfaction, they also suggested that the dowsers wrist movement can be induced telepathically. So, I have a different take on things when people talk about the inability of dowsers to perform under test conditions.
Have you ever tried dowsing yourself?
John
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cropredy
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| Posted 03-03-2013 at 19:29
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On 2013-03-03 18:45, tiompan wrote:
Yes , as expected no mention of any ability to find anything specific .
And the usual evasion and inability to answer a simple question .
That says it all .
No problem . We'll move on .
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No WE won't.
This nothing specific ....is the enabler of creation.
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On 2013-03-03 19:05, Elijah wrote:
Hi Cropredy
"Elijah,
Have You ever cast Your net in the direction of Australian aborgonals , with reference to their blood lettings in the ponds where the women are sent to bathe whilst menstruating??
The men cut their penis to put blood into the pond, where the serpents live???????"
No I haven't, and thanks for the reference. Its been a few years since I last examined antiquities many blood taboos; a phenomenon that surely shares its roots with that of ancient blood sacrifice.
Not sure about the fields you are dowsing? Apart from finding a few water pipes and electrical cables, the only other thing I've successfully dowsed are light beams. A crazy series of experiments that deserve much closer scrutiny. All I do know is that the dowser asks a conscious question and that they expect a response from the rods. Also that the rods movement itself is caused by an imperceptible muscle movement in the wrists; i.e. success is a subconscious movement.
Tiompan
Track down a copy of BBC 2's Tomorrows World" entitled "Dowsing light Beams" and you will see proof of the dowsing phenomenon in action I know it sounds extraordinary, but the experiments I carried out not only confirmed this phenomenon to my satisfaction, they also suggested that the dowsers wrist movement can be induced telepathically. So, I have a different take on things when people talk about the inability of dowsers to perform under test conditions.
Have you ever tried dowsing yourself?
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John ,if you could post a link I would love to see it . We did discuss some of your experiments .
Yes I have tried dowsing over quite a period of years . See this thread 27/2
George
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| Posted 03-03-2013 at 19:36
Elijah,
I do not agree with Your "wrist movements"
And I will resist My urge to talk of others such abilities.
IMHO the rods move, and the pendulem swings relative to the information pathway of what is been thought of by the dowser, a two way pathway of information been sent out and returning, the moleculer structure of the rods or crystal reacting to this.
Light is not "beaming" it is occuring again relative to the background field been stressed by the field of the bulb, and I can track such, and do, spotlights been very handy for such practise.
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| Posted 03-03-2013 at 19:40
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On 2013-03-03 18:45, tiompan wrote:
Yes , as expected no mention of any ability to find anything specific .
And the usual evasion and inability to answer a simple question .
That says it all .
No problem . We'll move on .
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No WE won't.
This nothing specific ....is the enabler of creation.
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You don't have the bottle to say that you can find "stuff " because you know you will be asked and you know you won't manage to do it . Not that it was ever in doubt .
This nothing specific is very conveniently unrecordable and makes makes life a bit easier for those can't find anything specific and begs the questions "
How can you differentiate between a dowser and a charlatan ?
How do tell when someone can dowse or is being deluded ?
These are simple questions and are really aimed at others who might be capable of answering without the usual obfuscation .
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| Posted 03-03-2013 at 19:53
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On 2013-03-03 18:45, tiompan wrote:
Yes , as expected no mention of any ability to find anything specific .
And the usual evasion and inability to answer a simple question .
That says it all .
No problem . We'll move on .
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No WE won't.
This nothing specific ....is the enabler of creation.
cropredy
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You don't have the bottle to say that you can find "stuff " because you know you will be asked and you know you won't manage to do it . Not that it was ever in doubt .
This nothing specific is very conveniently unrecordable and makes makes life a bit easier for those can't find anything specific and begs the questions "
How can you differentiate between a dowser and a charlatan ?
How do tell when someone can dowse or is being deluded ?
These are simple questions and are really aimed at others who might be capable of answering without the usual obfuscation .
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You remind Me of Mikado,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0xamGC458g
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| Posted 03-03-2013 at 20:36
Hi Tiompan
Sorry, the last time I saw this BBC 2 program was in 1972. If you do manage to get a copy I'd love to see it again. Can anyone else help?
John
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cropredy
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| Posted 03-03-2013 at 20:46
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On 2013-03-03 18:45, tiompan wrote:
Yes , as expected no mention of any ability to find anything specific .
And the usual evasion and inability to answer a simple question .
That says it all .
No problem . We'll move on .
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No WE won't.
This nothing specific ....is the enabler of creation.
cropredy
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You don't have the bottle to say that you can find "stuff " because you know you will be asked and you know you won't manage to do it . Not that it was ever in doubt .
This nothing specific is very conveniently unrecordable and makes makes life a bit easier for those can't find anything specific and begs the questions "
How can you differentiate between a dowser and a charlatan ?
How do tell when someone can dowse or is being deluded ?
These are simple questions and are really aimed at others who might be capable of answering without the usual obfuscation .
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Lets see.
I offer to mark a point on ten sheets of plywood, all mounted parallel to each other, and on those sheets I offer to mark a point out of sight of any of the others that will be exactly a dead straight line if drilled through all ten sheets.
Either , as My brothers sons declared...best guesser in the world... or there is something there that a dowser can detect and mark???
This to You is "none specific"
It is not in 3D, thus it is not physical, but how can I manage this????
For I can.
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| Posted 03-03-2013 at 20:50
Hi tiompan
I missed this post of yours...
"HI Karloff,
With friends who have shown a interest I normally drive them along a stretch of road at night in the vicinity of a couple of menhirs, asking that they be aware of anything feeling different ie hair standing on end, tingle on the skin or the sensation of something pulling through them. Night appears to have a more defined signature.
Having established that they are indeed able to feel the enviromental changes (no rods used), I suggest to them that they repeat the exercise without me a night or two later in the urban enviroment along a particular stretch of road. The area is developed and the megaliths long gone (150/200 years), the landscape clues are not there and only the serious local history buff would have found the references to the destroyed megaliths.
A large majority identify the same locations, those that do not tend to be those that were unable to feel the menhirs in the first instance.
Anecdotal of course but proof enough for me, try it, it may well alter your perspective and bring new insights."
Very interesting... I see why you want a copy of that programme now!
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| Posted 03-03-2013 at 21:44
Elijah.
I think you will find that was Tiompan quoting me.
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| Posted 04-03-2013 at 08:14
Any discussion on dowsing is possible only among people, who personally do dowsing. The whole event is highly subjective as it takes place as an interaction between one`s personal field and the surrounding energy fields.
Rods are reacting to a major drop or uprise in the fields "frequence", which is usually interpreted as a point along an invisible line, perpendicular to the dowser`s movement. It`s only a pity that absolutely straight lines don`t exist in the "dowsing space".
When dealing with such a subjective matter the only way to reach mutual understanding is to experience it at the same time and place. So take a hike and go into the fields together. BTW Is it true that dowsing abilities can be transferred to another person merely through touching?
[ This message was edited by: vlad on 2013-03-04 08:22 ]
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| Posted 04-03-2013 at 09:58
"Roger wrote... Elijah. I think you will find that was Tiompan quoting me."
Hi Rog. Sorry about that. I find that I have to open another tab with the thread I'm responding to displayed in it, in order to keep track of these conversations. The only other forum I've used would bring the last message posted just below the edit box.
I like the idea of you testing the dowsing ability. I was lucky, I had a captive audience to play with, and it did become a competitive game.
John
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On 2013-03-04 08:14, vlad wrote:
Any discussion on dowsing is possible only among people, who personally do dowsing. [ This message was edited by: vlad on 2013-03-04 08:22 ]
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Which is very convenient for excluding dissent , however , maybe you missed this link where a respected experienced dowser takes others to task .
http://tomgraves.org/oa_tlh113 which happens to include a pertinent reply to your point “Simply saying It's so because I and my friends say it's so is not enough. “
I doubt dowsers actually agree with your point on discussion , they seem more than happy to tell others of their experience and “finds” although maybe not quite so happy to deal with incredulity .
As almost anyone can dowse it wouldn't make much difference as to who can be involved in the discussion .
Agree it is highly subjective but I don't agree as to the cause which involves an even greater lack of objectivity .
Touching is enough to pass on an ability to dowse ? Why not ? After all an ability is not the same a skill . It's not difficult ,anyone can do it ,usually first time of asking , maybe all that is needed for those that initially appear unable , is simply permission and encouragement .
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On 2013-03-04 08:14, vlad wrote:
Any discussion on dowsing is possible only among people, who personally do dowsing. [ This message was edited by: vlad on 2013-03-04 08:22 ]
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Which is very convenient for excluding dissent , however , maybe you missed this link where a respected experienced dowser takes others to task .
http://tomgraves.org/oa_tlh113 which happens to include a pertinent reply to your point “Simply saying It's so because I and my friends say it's so is not enough. “
I read this Tom Graves text to the point :" the Earth's electrical field can vary by up to thousands of volts per square meter "
For me-enough.
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On 2013-03-04 08:14, vlad wrote:
Any discussion on dowsing is possible only among people, who personally do dowsing. [ This message was edited by: vlad on 2013-03-04 08:22 ]
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Which is very convenient for excluding dissent , however , maybe you missed this link where a respected experienced dowser takes others to task .
http://tomgraves.org/oa_tlh113 which happens to include a pertinent reply to your point “Simply saying It's so because I and my friends say it's so is not enough. “
I read this Tom Graves text to the point :" the Earth's electrical field can vary by up to thousands of volts per square meter "
For me-enough.
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If you read the contents of the link you will notice that Tom Graves did not say that .
The link was not an endorsement of the general content but pointing out that a respected experienced dowser might not agree with the comment " Any discussion on dowsing is possible only among people, who personally do dowsing. "
George
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New Age - pronounced like sewage - I like that one.
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On 2013-03-05 00:37, davidmorgan wrote:
New Age - pronounced like sewage - I like that one.
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Are You a fan of Edward Lear?
There once was a new age dowser,
Who walked into a bucket of sewage,
Oh dear! He exclaimed, as all moved away,
Now I will have to find the soap.
They all thought He was such a dope,
But the new age dowser, had just found the bucket,
The old age skeptics, had set a silly trap,
They had filled the bucket with their smelly sewage,
They been so so full of crap.
The new age dowser knew a bucket is just a recepticle,
Thank goodness He thought,
I could have found a full size skepticical tank.
And vanished for good in the sewage,
The old age skeptics would have rejoiced, and danced about the huge recepticle like new age bunnies, as the dowser went glug glug glug.
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On 2013-03-05 00:37, davidmorgan wrote:
New Age - pronounced like sewage - I like that one.
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There must have been a lot of politicing going on in that article that I would like to be a bit more aware of . A sort of newage/dowser wars , as the bloke who wrote the newage comment also proposed that standing stones etc were erected as form of acupuncture for the earth . Anyone know the background ?
George
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