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Elijah
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|  Posted 01-03-2013 at 20:22
Hi Tiompan
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Hi George, I hope you realize that in this one sweping statement you have dismissed one of humanities greatest mysteries.
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| You wrote... An arrow in the skull or decapitation is pretty diagnostic but strangulation , poisoning , stab wound to the heart etc don't give us much to go on with a 5,000 yr old skeleton ,similarly , large amounts of animal bones in a midden cannot tell us much about any ritual that may or may not have taken place . |
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I agree, but I believe there is a simple rule of thumb here, if the death of animals and humans occur at a cup-marked rocky outcrops; upright stones; stone circles, and barrows etc, then ritual activity must be assumed.
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| Considering the geographical and chronological spread of these monuments maybe something a bit more specific might help |
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Your right of course, I was actually alluding to anything that might resemble a ritual complex or ritual terrain, such as Stonehenge and Carnac? A question, as you suggest, for another forum.
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Which one would you suggest?
Hi Cropredy
It would be interest to see what reaction you'd get if you dowsed a megalith upright or inside a burial mound, it dawn just as the first light of the sun breaks the horizon, and at dusk just as the sun dips its head beneath the horizon.
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| Posted 02-03-2013 at 09:00
John , not sure what you mean by me dismissing a mystery .
Burials may be found at the type of sites you mention ( I can't think of any burials at cup marked rocks that are not associated with another monument , in Britain ) but how can we tell that there were the site where a death /sacrifice took place .?
Maybe the Stones forum might be more appropriate for the stone circle , megalithic tomb query .
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Elijah
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| Posted 02-03-2013 at 09:33
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Thanks George, I'll do that, as long as there are no moderator problems. I know my sacrificial thesis is deeply controversial, and as your question indicates... "not sure what you mean by me dismissing a mystery", there is a great deal of ignorance within society today regarding this once hugely important ancient practice. Perhaps I can go someway towards addressing this problem; it's certainly something I hadn't planned to include on my new website, which BTW has gone live whilst I complete its design and slowly add data - http://www.ritual-mysteries.com
Andy, am I okay posting my questions regarding the relationship between Megaliths and the practice of blood sacrifice, on the Stones forum, albeit that it stems from a controversial hypothesis?
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| Posted 02-03-2013 at 09:50
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On 2013-03-02 09:33, Elijah wrote:
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Thanks George, I'll do that, as long as there are no moderator problems. I know my sacrificial thesis is deeply controversial, and as your question indicates... "not sure what you mean by me dismissing a mystery",t practice. there is a great deal of ignorance within society today regarding this once hugely important ancien Perhaps I can go someway towards addressing this problem; it's certainly something I hadn't planned to include on my new website, which BTW has gone live whilst I complete its design and slowly add data - http://www.ritual-mysteries.com
Andy, am I okay posting my questions regarding the relationship between Megaliths and the practice of blood sacrifice, on the Stones forum, albeit that it stems from a controversial hypothesis?
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James , in what way did my question show that " there is a great deal of ignorance within society today regarding this once hugely important ancient practice " .We are aware of the practice there is a small but significant body of study associated with it but just because we might not accept your views does not make us ignorant of the subject .
I suggested the stones forum for the query "what is the relationship between stone circles and stone uprights, and megalithic tombs? and believe that to appropriate but there was no mention of the monuments being associated with blood sacrifice in that query . The association changes things enough to suggest that maybe the mysteries forum is the most appropriate after all .
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| Posted 02-03-2013 at 13:09
Tiompan
QUOTE]Tiompan wrote... in what way did my question show that " there is a great deal of ignorance within society today regarding this once hugely important ancient practice " .We are aware of the practice there is a small but significant body of study associated with it but just because we might not accept your views does not make us ignorant of the subject . [/QUOTE]
Your very touchy George, I simply referenced your sweeping comment as being indicative of the wider ignorance within society today. Even if you were an anthropologist-psychologist (the guys responsible for failing to explain the origins and spread of this rite) I would be arguing my case. Which BTW, is not predicated on these sacrificial phenomena, but on the archaeological and anthropological evidence which demonstrates the extraordinary influence of this rite.
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George, I accepted your very kind suggestion that I move my question elsewhere, hence my question to the owner of this site, whom I assume is Andy, not you!
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| Posted 02-03-2013 at 13:34
Elijah, this is the second time you've entered a thread with off-topic postings.
You've already started a thread about your sacrifice theories...
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=Forum&file=viewtopic&topic=5581&forum=4&start=0
Please can you stick with that one.
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tiompan
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| Posted 02-03-2013 at 16:22
James , you still haven't explained why my comment “ Sacrifice has been an important component of human behaviour since recorded history and obviously much earlier “ is “indicative of the wider ignorance within society today “ or why it dismisses a mystery . Asking for clarification is not being “touchy “.
I was attempting to be helpful in suggesting that you move the query about “stone circles and stone uprights, and megalithic tombs “ I didn't know that you were later to include blood sacrifice and hence hoped to amend my suggestion . Maybe you are being a bit touchy .
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cropredy
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| Posted 02-03-2013 at 19:48
Elijah,
Could You explain what on Your site You state as Bodily radiance?
I can detect a variable and measurable field about humans.
The young have really large such fields.
Ever pondered that this sacrifice may be ongoing??
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Elijah
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| Posted 03-03-2013 at 10:57
Cropredy
"Elijah,
Could You explain what on Your site You state as Bodily radiance?
I can detect a variable and measurable field about humans.
The young have really large such fields.
Ever pondered that this sacrifice may be ongoing??
cropredy
Sorry Kevin, I'm still in the throes of developing the site and its navigation. I've posted the menu and some of the headed pages which is where you've picked up on this Bodily radiance. Before the thought police jump in on my conversations once again, may I suggest that you read my article on Arcadia, page 2, "The Keeper of the Grail" http://andrewgough.co.uk/secretorigins2.html
Tiompan
With regard to your repeated question George, please accept my apologies, my response should have to Rune, not you; so your reaction and my subsequent response should be seen in that vein; a simple mix up.
David
Its strange how some people react when given a little bit of power!
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Elijah
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| Posted 03-03-2013 at 11:02
Tiompan
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| James , you still haven't explained why my comment “ Sacrifice has been an important component of human behaviour since recorded history and obviously much earlier “ is “indicative of the wider ignorance within society today “ or why it dismisses a mystery . Asking for clarification is not being “touchy “.
I was attempting to be helpful in suggesting that you move the query about “stone circles and stone uprights, and megalithic tombs “ I didn't know that you were later to include blood sacrifice and hence hoped to amend my suggestion . Maybe you are being a bit touchy .
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The names John, but I agree with you, I can get touchy at times.
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tiompan
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Tiompan
With regard to your repeated question George, please accept my apologies, my response should have to Rune, not you; so your reaction and my subsequent response should be seen in that vein; a simple mix up.
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John , thanks for the explanation .Sorry ,dunno where James came from .
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Roger , in what way did I misrepresent the "No one on this site had claimed to specialise in locating bars of soap.". comment ? If there was any misrepresenation it was in the term specialising which I never used and concentrating on the joke entry of soap .
I have asked the simple question on various posts and it continually gets evaded until now where you say you have an open mind .There are others who have positive views on dowsing including one who has said he can “dowse everything” , but they have not as eyt replied . It would be helpful to understand their thinking . In what way am I loading the die ?
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I had used the specialising comment previously with regard to getting people to seek things that they normally do not, almost anyone can build a rudimentary brick wall but don't ask them to do so only to belittle them that it does not meet proffessional building standards.
IMHO you are wanting quite a high bar set to a specific problem, the negative result would then be used out of context to discredit all dowsing and the dowsers scalp be paraded trophy like.
Baseline tests to quantify the proportion of people who can dowse, have others repeat the results and show a connection to the megaliths would be far fairer though less dramatic than locating an object hidden in a field.
Rog
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Personally I believe that Any One who cannot comprehend the dowsing aspect to megalithic sites will ever understand them, however that is your loss I don't seek to convert.
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Apart from non evidence based conjecture and the more concrete examples of dowsing results that do not match what has been discovered , thus giving us an insight into the lack of ability of dowsers to find features they believed they could , dowsing has contributed nothing to our understanding of megalithic sites . If you relied on dowsing for your factual knowledge of megalithic sites you would have an empty text book .
What has dowsing ever contributed to the understanding of megalithic sites .?
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No preconcieved prejudices there then.
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Roger , I have asked quite a few times whether any of the dowsers who post here could find "stuff " . This is what the BSD and most punters believe is within the capabilities of dowsers . You ae the only one to answer that and don't appear particularly positive merely "keeping an open mind " .Specialised or not and despite claims l from Cropredy like "I can dowse everything " it appears that dowsing for stuff is not on the agenda . That's fine and no more than expected .I don't believe anyone here or elsewhere can find "stuff" under test conditions with results better than chance . Maybe now we can move on and set the bar more realistically .What do you suggest would be a reasonable suggestion of dowsers abilities ?
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No ,there are no preconceived prejudices .The comments were evidence based .
You didn't answer "What has dowsing ever contributed to the understanding of megalithic sites .?" however , failure to do so particaulrly after your earlier comment "Personally I believe that Any One who cannot comprehend the dowsing aspect to megalithic sites will ever understand them, however that is your loss I don't seek to convert" might suggest that comment exhibits preconceived prejudices and wishful thinking .
George
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Do dowsers challenge or debate the claims of other dowsers ?
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I had forgotten a very obvious one .
http://tomgraves.org/oa_tlh113
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Roger , I have asked quite a few times whether any of the dowsers who post here could find "stuff " . This is what the BSD and most punters believe is within the capabilities of dowsers . You ae the only one to answer that and don't appear particularly positive merely "keeping an open mind " .Specialised or not and despite claims l from Cropredy like "I can dowse everything " it appears that dowsing for stuff is not on the agenda . That's fine and no more than expected .I don't believe anyone here or elsewhere can find "stuff" under test conditions with results better than chance . Maybe now we can move on and set the bar more realistically .What do you suggest would be a reasonable suggestion of dowsers abilities ?
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I have repeatedly said on here that I was taught at a young age to find pipes and drains and wells, and I most certainly can.
I should think the number of times I have stated this is boring to most, and appears to have totally missed Your all seeing eye gaze.
This whole site is created and dedicated to megalithic constructions, and they are what I will determine very clearly are totally located to fit a detectable geometry, and in a variety of ways to influence what flows along in duality of spin along that geometry.
Finding things is a side show , and irrelevant , but will be very easy to do within the specific geometries relative to variant constructions.
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| Posted 03-03-2013 at 17:59
Elijah,
Have You ever cast Your net in the direction of Australian aborgonals , with reference to their blood lettings in the ponds where the women are sent to bathe whilst menstruating??
The men cut their penis to put blood into the pond, where the serpents live???????
Excellent blog.
I can detect and measue anyones field, and plot it out , madame Blavatsky with Leadbeater drew something called ANU.....that is what I detect almost exactly, but.
The but is in the difference of each persons field, and how I consider that DMT influences the diameter and why.
At death I consider a huge amount of DMT is created to enable the trip out of the vehicle( body)
So such as the story of Jesus going into the dessert for forty days etc is to reach the point of death , but not to die , but the pineal gland then operate fully afterwards.
The megaliths though can also uprate a humans field, and this has happened to Myself several times, from seemingly nowhere I knew.
There is also the ability to transfer this dual field, and sacrifice comes direct into this, but more humanly so does reiki, and I can do this, and have numerous times now, it needs intent.
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| Posted 03-03-2013 at 18:05
Elijah,
In this link, sure to be deemed pseudoscientific I am confident is the drawing of ANU, put the two positive and negative drawings together, and that is how humans appear to My dowsing, the diameters are variable with youngsters often over fifty feet radius, dimentia and alziemhers is a radius barely a few feet.
http://www.greatdreams.com/grace/126/134anuqa.html
IMHO that field of dualistic spin is what all the megaliths are constructed to interact with in life and death......full stop.
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Roger , I have asked quite a few times whether any of the dowsers who post here could find "stuff " . This is what the BSD and most punters believe is within the capabilities of dowsers . You ae the only one to answer that and don't appear particularly positive merely "keeping an open mind " .Specialised or not and despite claims l from Cropredy like "I can dowse everything " it appears that dowsing for stuff is not on the agenda . That's fine and no more than expected .I don't believe anyone here or elsewhere can find "stuff" under test conditions with results better than chance . Maybe now we can move on and set the bar more realistically .What do you suggest would be a reasonable suggestion of dowsers abilities ?
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Finding things is a side show , and irrelevant , but will be very easy to do within the specific geometries relative to variant constructions.
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Side show or not . You continually avoid the question .
Can you or anyone else who dowses and posts here find anything specific under test conditions ?
If you can't , no problem and that is too specialised a task , as Roger suggests , fair enough we can move on .
All you have to say is yes or no minus the mumbo jumbo .
I won't hold my breath .
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