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davidmorgan
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|  Posted 22-02-2013 at 11:27
Here are the cup-marks on the Trefael stone:
Anyone see any constellations? Or anything else?
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| Posted 22-02-2013 at 19:14
I think I might see Cruella de Vil killing a puppy!
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| Posted 22-02-2013 at 19:47
It may depend on how You are depicting it???
Actual, or assigning known visual animals and such to it?
Here's one in the pleasure dome sort of back to front????
http://www.netours.com/content/view/266/30/
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| Posted 22-02-2013 at 23:16
I could make that out as soon as you mentioned it - how interesting. Not that rock art is black and white spots of course.
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Andy B
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| Posted 22-02-2013 at 23:30
A very interestng location Cropredy, I'm thinking of adding it to the Portal as we don't have many early Islamic sites.
(which is fine as long as it's not Roman!)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qasr_Amra
As seen on the excellent - The Dark Ages: An Age of Light
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00zbtmp/episodes/guide
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| Posted 24-02-2013 at 16:25
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On 2013-02-22 11:27, davidmorgan wrote:
Here are the cup-marks on the Trefael stone:
Anyone see any constellations? Or anything else?
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Looking at the large "steel helmet" shape in blue it looks like a bigger version of the smaller one further down, the black dots are also larger near the larger helmet, Scale?
Both the large and small helmets appear to be scaled down versions of the entire rock.
Is the depiction on the left of helmet, pipe and line a zoom in on and rotation of the three indistinct figures on the right?
Alternatively is the whole thing one of those relief pictures you only see when the light stiikes at an angle the shadow fleshing it out. I fancied I could see a Man running to the left, left foot forward, right hand raised with weapon, left arm elbow at the small line on right.
Is this place Cei fought and was killed by a Werewolf or is my memory not too good on this one?
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| Posted 24-02-2013 at 18:26
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/50719069/ns/technology_and_science-science/#.USldXevwJFm
Circles within squares joined by Xs.....enought to send one into the leyhunters??
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davidmorgan
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| Posted 25-02-2013 at 07:53
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Looking at the large "steel helmet" shape in blue it looks like a bigger version of the smaller one further down, the black dots are also larger near the larger helmet |
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The features you're referring to appear to be natural chips in the stone, possibly made after the cup-marks.
Here's PaulM's photo from our site page:
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| Posted 26-02-2013 at 05:23
It may be that my brain's data-set has been contaminated by the suggestion of stars groups, but I believe I see the constellation Draco, wending its way through that devilishly confusing mix.
If true, it would be significant, as Draco contains the star Thuban, which was the North Star in Neolithic times.
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| Posted 26-02-2013 at 06:48
Draco contains the star Thuban, which was the North Star in Neolithic times.
Thuban was the North Star but Draco is the constellation around which the polar axis rotates over a very long period (the ecliptic pole): So Draco is always 22.5 -24.5 degrees away from the pole. The Star Draco is nearby to Draco but not in the position of the rotation of the pole
I was going to cite wikipedia but on this occasion the most obvious wiki entry wrongly says that Thuban is in Draco:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axial_precession#Changing_pole_stars
Here's a wikipedia entry that is correct:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecliptic_pole
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davidmorgan
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| Posted 26-02-2013 at 08:31
wiki entry wrongly says that Thuban is in Draco
Thuban is Alpha Draconis.
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jonm
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| Posted 26-02-2013 at 13:38
You're right: I forgot about the tail. The wiki entry is correct after all.
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davidmorgan
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| Posted 26-02-2013 at 15:27
Or "The First Star of Right Wall of Purple Forbidden Enclosure". LOL.
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| Posted 26-02-2013 at 15:35
You know, people these days frequently bring up star maps for all sorts of rock art, but they seldom actually polt out the stars.
Where are you seeing Draco?
Could you mark a photo and attach it?
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| Posted 26-02-2013 at 17:06
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Bat400 is probably right.
As I mentioned, it was just me staring at the marks, thinking I saw 'Something'.
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| Posted 26-02-2013 at 17:26
If you invert the picture in Photoshop (ie a negative) you get a clear picture, albeit slightly distorted, of The Plough with a "scratched" line from Dubhe and Merak to the Pole Star. A pretty good prediction considering Polaris wasn't the Pole Star at the time!
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| Posted 26-02-2013 at 17:50
Hi Sem,
Yes, I spent about an hour in PS sizing and flipping every which way. Backwards, forwards inverse/reverse ... tweeked to the left and right. Rotated 5 degrees at a time.
This is the best of what I got.
Taking distortion into account, in addition to the method probably used to carve the cups, if it's Draco (Doubtful now) then it's rendered poorly.
Plus, what are all the other marks?
Nice try Neil ...
lol
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| Posted 26-02-2013 at 18:36
Neil, I'll upload a copy to MegP.
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| Posted 26-02-2013 at 19:31
It's worth mentioniong that the first astro comments about this were " it is now considered by several astronomers that the distribution of the cupmarks may represent a section of the night sky that includes the star constellations of Cassiopeia, Orion, Sirius and of course the North Star. "
Discussion on TMA http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/forum/?thread=60664
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| Posted 26-02-2013 at 19:46
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On 2013-02-26 19:31, tiompan wrote:
It's worth mentioniong that the first astro comments about this were " it is now considered by several astronomers that the distribution of the cupmarks may represent a section of the night sky that includes the star constellations of Cassiopeia, Orion, Sirius and of course the North Star. "
Discussion on TMA http://www.themodernantiquarian.com/forum/?thread=60664
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Ah Ah! Thats a pseudoscientific link?????
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