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Elijah
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|  Posted 10-02-2013 at 11:55
Given the disruption I've generated on Ryszards thread I've decided to move my hypothesis to this new thread.
Please continue to post your questions and uncertainties. I'm on a long and steep learning curve when it comes to bringing the various strands of this hypothesis together in one explanation; hence its disclosure on this forum where I expected to be vigorously questioned.
Right, let me start afresh...
There is a huge amount of archaeological evidence to show a relationship between megalithic structures and the practice of blood sacrifice across the Levant at the very early stages of human sedation. Nevali Cori is a perfect example of this, as indicated on this website - http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=14991 I believe archaeological evidence pushes the importance of blood sacrifice back even further in time to when hunter-gatherers in this region began to erect temporary encampments where they would ritually engage with their deceased ancestors on a seasonal basis.
My interest in the emergence of blood sacrifice goes back some forty years, to a time when religious uncertainty saw me questioning events in the Old Testaments of the Bible. It was a pragmatic analysis of the Hebrew's interaction with their god Yahweh; a situation where Moses came to the fore when he teaches the Hebrew's how to venerate Yahweh in a temple, as opposed to simply a upon a rocky outcrop or unhewn stones. Important to note that the altar remained a key aspect of this new temple worship. I was especially intrigued by the two miraculous events that this sacrificial activity appeared responsible for. The first being a spontaneous altar-fire, the other a strange radiance in the temple, supposedly Yahweh's spirit.
Like many others, I found several instances of this altar-fire (where it consumed humans) very reminiscent of the modern Spontaneous Human Combustion phenomenon. I was also to note the existence of quite a few other incidents where this strange altar-fire ignited within the flesh of sacrificed animals as they lay upon the altar; a marvel that I later discovered was widely recorded throughout antiquity; see my article http://andrewgough.co.uk/secretorigins.html
Let me pause here for a moment whilst I get your reaction to this information...
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| Posted 10-02-2013 at 16:10
Hi Elijah
My suggestion is that the alter fire is the pin hole camera image of the Sun projected into a passage mound on a certain day of the year.
Sticking my neck out a little more, the site of the passage mounds was selected to be on the convergance point of several dowsed lines at a particular moment accounting for the "Radience" .
Further that both the above occur at exactly the same moment and that is part though not all of the design.
Finally that there would appear to be pointers for an Atlantic origin for the concept.
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| Posted 10-02-2013 at 18:24
Elijah,
I would recommend researching fire atatars in the vedic literatures, and there You will find the ancient knowledge of what is now called Fibonacci.
I can dowse whatever I concentrate and focus upon, and the FIELD of all living entities has become quite central to Me.
Humans heart centred fields are powerfull, it is focussed direct in the heart, and that FIELD is IMHO what enables creation, and dissolvement.
The Earth has a self similer FIELD, the sun has a very powerfull such, the moon also has a less powerfull such.
I hear many people waffling about earth energies, but NOBODY has a clue what so called energy is, what is involved, and how TIME locally is involved , and why dimensions are involved.
The blood of christ is focussed upon the cross, because the cross is the meeting point, the compression point that matters, and the field of the beating heart has a duality, it attracts the larger scale field flows, and if and when the larger scale flows were reducing I consider they tried to attract back those flows by using human or young animals heart fields.
This is a subject that leads to some very strange areas, with child sacrifices involved, because the children have huge fields, and if I can detect this so easily, so can others, but for other reasons.
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| Posted 10-02-2013 at 18:34
http://www.esotericonline.net/profiles/blogs/108
The sacred heart.
What I detect is that the heart is the central PINCH point which there are a series of basically counter spirralling up/down the spine region.
You have polarity and equator, the cross is within every living entity, every atom, every star, every galaxy.
As above, so below.
It is simple, but has been super complicated to veil.
I am simple.
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| Posted 12-02-2013 at 05:21
With my skepticism/cynicism I support the opinion that these cases had a "natural" cause. The limited area of severe burning in many of them strongly suggests to me that the victim had some pyrotechnical help from his "priests." Certainly more dramatic than your simple stabbing, throat slitting or beheading. On a par with, or better than, cutting a heart out with a stone knife on top of a step-pyramid, as practiced by the Aztecs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spontaneous_human_combustion
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| Posted 12-02-2013 at 10:32
Hi Ryszard.
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I couldn't agree more, and thanks for exploring my thesis further. If you read my 2007 article you will see that I do allude to a biological link between this SHC-like altar-fire and both this temple and human radiance. Since then, further research suggests that the biochemical luciferase/luciferin reaction (that must cause the clinically acknowledged Human Bio-luminescence phenomenon) is also the source of the SHC phenomenon, i.e. that the former is an unstable biochemical reaction in higher species that can result in heat. A feature of this research is that it also explains the means by which this mysterious Temple radiance was produced... i.e. in blood; just as biochemists produce a bioluminescence in laboratories today.
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Not sure about the first part of this statement, but to accept the latter suggestion you have to envisage an international fraud that escaped detection by countless millions over some 12 millennium? Not that this fiery phenomenon was a guaranteed occurrence, nor was it the primary focus of the sacrificial process, the production of this perceived spiritual temple/sanctuary radiance was. So not only do you have to explain how such a fraud was perpetrated, you have to explain the relevance of its association with these temple and human bodily radiance's? You also have to explain the many modern claims of identical flesh consuming flames and of human bioluminescence. Why indeed, do we find both ancient and modern suggestions that these unusual phenomena are related?
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| Posted 12-02-2013 at 13:56
You have drawn some interesting conclusions there John, next time I cut my finger, I'll dash into a dark place and see if it glows 
Seriously though, about people glowing, surely it's in the eye of the beholder? Never having seen him in real life, I think the Dalai Lama does glow with some form of inner radiance, on videos and in some photos, I've no idea if anyone else sees him like that, but to me he literally shines from within, although it's nothing like the neon blue of the lady in your article.
One other small point, not just for you but for all bloggers and writers who self-publish and ask people to comment, it may be worthwhile asking a proofreader to give it a once-over before it's placed online.
Whilst it's arguably not a correct view to take, I think you'll find that the majority of readers will be of the opinion that grammatical mistakes in text give the impression that the content could also be somehow erroneous.
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| Posted 12-02-2013 at 13:57
Could I recommend looking into ...vitrification.
There are several so called forts , and of course pathways where this is found.
We have had threads before where I have attempted to discuss about ...transmutation.
Where the change of state produces the heat, not heat from a fire, but heat of transmutation.
A look at ...Browns gas also recommended.
Imho , the transmutation occurs because of precise location , hence the altar location, and this been detectable via dowsing, at that location is a compression point of multiple alignments that produces a meeting point of multiple spirals.
The force of creation thus implodes into such a location, and also circulates about where the henge embankments and ditchs were sited, and later fortified , blood will increase the implosion and thus a sacrifice or multiple deaths on a fort may induce the transmutation occurance.
I have never tried to induce this, so this is merely M6y personal opinion, before any Mr Punchs jump up trying to bash Me on the head.
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| Posted 12-02-2013 at 14:10
Browns gas.
As a typical tyke from council house stock, I could give vivid descriptions of how the body may produces gas that burns.
I won't,
but the high temperatures of browns gas should be held in thought.
http://www.eagle-research.com/browngas/whatisbg/whatis.php
Remember that blood carries oxygen.
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| Posted 12-02-2013 at 14:25
With the burning bush tale in mind....remember Pauls photos of orbs attaching to the trees whilst in bud.
And remember that in the ark of the covenant was said to be Arrons rod.
Cut whilst in bud.
This won't make No1,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8ZD8unped4
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| Posted 12-02-2013 at 16:07
Everything is electric,
http://www.everythingselectric.com/forum/index.php?topic=315.msg1982#msg1982
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| Posted 12-02-2013 at 19:41
Hi Rune
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Are you volunteering? Thanks for the candid comments anyway, I appreciate it. I am aware of the problem, which is why I've searched around for a co-writer or a ghostwriter, but it is difficult.
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I've actually purchased the Lancet article dated 22nd December 1934 that details the scrutiny of this "luminous women of Pirano" by Dr Protti. It's quite detailed. He notes that when the light appeared her heart rate increased considerably. He notes she fasts severely during lent, and that she has bronchial pneumonia. After witnessing the appearance of the light some 25 times, he films the phenomenon. With the room in complete darkness he saw the light emerge from beneath the bedclothes and filmed it. The radiance arose in the region of her heart for some seconds illuminating her jaw and cheekbones. Unfortunately the films has since been lost. There several more clinical reports of this phenomenon; the most famous being the glowing wounds of civil war soldiers in America. I won't bore you with the many stories of fasting saints glowing in the darkness.
BTW, I'm about to post some further information. If you fancy giving it the once over give me a quickly to this 
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| Posted 12-02-2013 at 20:02
While it's true that I may not understand much about this SHC issue, I find myself drawn in thought to the Altar Fire notation as presented above.
If there is found to be some relevance associated with this phenomena, and given the admittedly sporadic nature of SHC, how would the 'Priests' go about selecting an individual for this sacrifice.
They find him/her, place them on the Altar and then sit around smoking cigarettes, talking about the old days while waiting for this person to erupt into flame?
I'm not attempting to diminish the theory, but that scenario, based upon what is said, seems a trifle goofy to me.
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On 2013-02-12 20:02, Feanor wrote:
While it's true that I may not understand much about this SHC issue, I find myself drawn in thought to the Altar Fire notation as presented above.
If there is found to be some relevance associated with this phenomena, and given the admittedly sporadic nature of SHC, how would the 'Priests' go about selecting an individual for this sacrifice.
They find him/her, place them on the Altar and then sit around smoking cigarettes, talking about the old days while waiting for this person to erupt into flame?
I'm not attempting to diminish the theory, but that scenario, based upon what is said, seems a trifle goofy to me.
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pseudo goobylydook and goofy.
Walt Disney may pay for such a team??
With a trifle pudding thrown in?
Maybe, just maybe the so called preists knew the precise timings when certain potentials hit a high point at the altar???
In a repetitive cyclic manner perhaps they also chose very high potential so called victims, and if I can so easily detect the potential of each individual, which I can, then perhaps, just perhaps there were far more practised such so called preists?
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| Posted 12-02-2013 at 20:33
Hi Neil
Thanks for your interest; let me try and deal with each of your questions in turn...
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The priests were actually quite selective in their choice of victims. Only the purest, unblemished beasts and humans were selected. In many cultures the health of the victim extended to checking their internal organs, the liver, as an organ of the blood, was a prime indicator of this and used in prophecy.
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There was actually quite a lot priestly pleading and prayer. When Solomon inaugurated his Temple his prayers and pleading lasted many hours before Yahweh saw fit to consume his offerings.
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It has taken me forty years to get a grasp on this subject. At the end of the day your either intrigued by this ancient and modern evidence, or your not!
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| Posted 12-02-2013 at 20:49
Are you volunteering?
Sorry John, I don't have the time to be able to take that on board, if I had, I would gladly help out.
I'm wondering who you could ask who wouldn't charge a fortune, many students these days don't have a great grasp of English anyway, too much txtspk, how about a retired English teacher who has similar interests?
Proofreading your own work is never a good thing, I can never spot all of my own glaring errors.
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| Posted 12-02-2013 at 20:58
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I wish I could find one!
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| Posted 12-02-2013 at 21:57
Are you in Spain, if so, how about a small ad in the ExPat newsletters, or for the more computer-savvy, there must be some online ExPat organisations. Here are a few Google hits to start you off.
http://www.expatica.com/es/lifestyle_leisure/lifestyle/Groups-and-clubs-in-Spain.html
http://www.spainexpat.com/spain/information/expat_clubs_in_spain/
http://www.expatforum.com/expats/spain-expat-forum-expats-living-spain/
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| Posted 13-02-2013 at 07:52
Thanks Rune
I have thought about tapping the local community of over here. The thing is we have our property up for sale at the moment as we want to move back to the UK. Once thee I hope to pursue this more vigorously, but thanks for the links. Sounds like you've spent some time over here?
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| Posted 13-02-2013 at 15:05
Hi John,
You have a pm, before we get much further off-topic
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