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Andy B
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|  Posted 19-01-2013 at 19:28
As we've been having some heated discussions on Pictish Symbol stones, 'Enorm' (Norman J Penny) has also contributed this article. More details are on his web site linked below.
The Religious Purpose of the Early Pictish Symbol Stones
This is the first reasoned and comprehensive proposition that designs on the Pictish Symbol Stones relate to the Mysteries of Mithras.
Between about 400 and 900 CE Pictish Symbol Stones appeared predominantly in the north east of what has since become Scotland. Sometimes they can be confused with the array of other standing stones, megaliths, circles and dolmens that do not display symbols. When researching the Mysteries of Mithras the author realised the more numerous symbols on the Pictish Stones, such as V-Rods and Z-Rods, could have relevance to that religion. Following detailed investigation into Roman Mithraism, the location of the stones, the timing of their erection and the evolving symbols he has deciphered the majority of the carvings on the early stones concluding their religious purpose is what he has called Pictish Mithraism. Christian and Pictish Mithraic symbols on later stones show the transition from one religion to another.
At the time of the Roman Empire a cult or religion derived from an older Persian belief set was popular within a range of Gods and was practised across the Empire. There are the remains of temples to this God – Mithras - by Hadrian’s Wall with statues and inscribed stones in museums e.g. in Newcastle. It is suggested that when the Roman army withdrew around 400CE some of its personnel remained in Britain, settled in Pictland, decided to continue practising their religion and created the Symbol Stones.
Fundamental to Mithraism is the belief in the soul, that it travels from the celestial sphere at birth so into mortality then back at death into immortality. This belief would have been spiritually comforting – which partly explains its popularity amongst soldiers – and an enticement to join. Looking at Pictish Stones there is a symbol which arguably embodies the travel of the soul. If the “V” of the “V-Rod and Crescent” is not a V but two arrows and the Crescent represents the sky ward view, then this Symbol can be deciphered (Picture 1).
The downward arrow represents the arrival of the soul on birth, the upward arrow its return on death and the crescent the view to the Celestial Sphere.
What is popularly known as the Z-Rod & Double Disc is seen right across Pictland (Picture 2).
In Roman Mithraism the God Mithras was accompanied by Cautes and Cautopates (Picture 3) as Torch bearers whose positions signified respectively morning and evening, life and death, the spring and autumn equinoxes.
The angles of the torches suggest the arms of the “Z”; the double discs and their concentric circles the earth, planets and universe beyond; the line connecting the ends of the torches is the day, the months between the equinoxes and time itself. The Z arms have finials that look like flame directions further reinforcing the suggestion that the symbol is Mithraic. Symbols can be “multi-purpose” and the line could also be Mithras with the circles being Sol (the sun) and Mithras (Sol Invictus – Invincible sun). It is proposed that this “Z” Pictish Symbol has been derived from what would have been statues in a Roman Mithraic temple (Mithraeum) with a specific “mystery” purpose then suitably disguised for outdoors use on a Stone so only an initiate would know its meaning.
The key physical difference between the Roman and Pictish forms of Mithraism was the gathering place, with the fundamental shift from indoors – the temple or Mithraeum - to outdoors – the Pictish Symbol Stone and the sky beyond.
The research, reasoning behind the proposals, analyses and deciphering of the majority of the symbols are in the author’s web site Pictish Mithraism.
http://www.pictish-mithraism.com/
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| Posted 19-01-2013 at 20:31
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Good one! I guess it's open season on Class I Pictish Stone interpretations, then.
I reckon the connected circles represent shields and the Z-rod is a lightning strike, and the whole lot means "get off my land - and this is my sigil", the sigil being the symbol above the Z-rod.
P.S. Here's the Megalithic Portal's Class I Pictish Stones content.
Obviously the nicest Z-rod is this one.
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| Posted 20-01-2013 at 14:55
I don't know anything about this, but it struck me as interesting that one of the symbols looks very similar to a cut through a doughnut, which is the same as the (possible) geocentric solar representation as at Stonehenge:
Interesting also the 'summer line' shows two symbols whereas the winter line shows only one.
edit.. image made smaller
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| Posted 20-01-2013 at 20:51
Liked the nice pictish symbol David
That one also seems to have solar dimensions along its main features. Might be of interest to someone?
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| Posted 21-01-2013 at 10:42
I'm definitely going for the Z-rod representing a lightning bolt, it's even directional in some of the carvings.
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| Posted 21-01-2013 at 11:10
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I'm definitely going for the Z-rod representing a lightning bolt, it's even directional in some of the carvings.
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What is lightning???
Why does it go in both directions??
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| Posted 21-01-2013 at 11:46
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=7147
The carving on the Broomend stone displays IMHO...
An implosion and emmittance occurance that alters when the moon is half way between been full and new, in other words when there is half a moon displayed.
This is when the moon is having the most marked influence over the balance between the Earth and sun.
There is a definate almost tidal wave that passes downward along the UK, and as light travels far faster than this invisable shadow I consider hilltop fires would announce this occurance to alert the tribes downstream to prepare.
The PREPARE will be the standing in alignment of where the deceased remains were held so that as the moon does it's magic of reversing locally the balance between implosion and emmittance that the eternal soul for better a word of the deceased will emerge back out of the Earth and jump into the already created vehicle growing in the pregnant female.
The urns were kept on gold plates to ensure perfect contact at the precise location to the fraction of an inch.
I can locate those counter vortex locations with ease, and I consider our ancestors will have been far far better than Myself at such.
The route in /out of the planet is via spiral vortexs, the net vector of these counter rotating vortexs is the angle shown.
To at all comprehend what I am on about needs there to be a consideration of eternal life , with our physical bodies been temporary vehicles to experience, and the method of transportation between vehicles as been geometric enabled by counter rotating flows that locally create fleur de lise patterns where the geometry creates bloch wall patterns of zig zag pathways.
These bloch walls are magnetic as such, and are located where the stone circles were sited in a cross feature created where the two opposing vortexs are close by each other , not directly in the same location.
The chambers in the barrows are where the vortexs are directly in the self same location.
The cross feature is determined by the distance apart of the opposing vortexs, and the consequence is best visualised as a celtic cross., the circulating flows been where the stones were located to act sort of as solonoids to upgrade the two flows in series.
The above is detectable, plottable, followable, and is simple to Me, maybe it's because I am simple???
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| Posted 21-01-2013 at 19:11
A quick off the wall thought the so called passage tombs covered in alternate layers above and below of organic and inorganic materials reminds me of a stacked capacitor.
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| Posted 21-01-2013 at 19:41
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On 2013-01-21 19:11, rogeralbin wrote:
A quick off the wall thought the so called passage tombs covered in alternate layers above and below of organic and inorganic materials reminds me of a stacked capacitor.
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It used to be Reichian orgone accumulators .
Which monuments were thinking of ?
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| Posted 21-01-2013 at 20:07
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On 2013-01-21 19:11, rogeralbin wrote:
A quick off the wall thought the so called passage tombs covered in alternate layers above and below of organic and inorganic materials reminds me of a stacked capacitor.
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Excactly, and Wilhelms devices.
Basically allowing least resistance in one direction.
One day You may comprehend TT Browns gravitors.
Nothing is moving, all is reponding to attraction of least resistance, Your spine is similer, with alternate layerings.
The pictish symbols are visuals of the local invisable, when You know the invisable it is easier to spot it when left as visual.
It is simple to describe the visual, as most have such a sense, it is far more difficult to describe what few can percieve of.
But many have left the clues, especially the skilled carvers of wood and stone, and in a form that transcends languages.
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| Posted 22-01-2013 at 18:16
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On 2013-01-21 19:41, tiompan wrote:
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On 2013-01-21 19:11, rogeralbin wrote:
A quick off the wall thought the so called passage tombs covered in alternate layers above and below of organic and inorganic materials reminds me of a stacked capacitor.
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It used to be Reichian orgone accumulators .
Which monuments were thinking of ?
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First off I am not going to defend Orgone theory,
Secondly this is off the top of my head as I have not checked it due to having a seasonal virus.
Was there not some controversy about Silbury that the recent dig did not reinstate the layering but backfilled pellmell?
La Varde and if I remember Le Dehus had two layers of stone flooring with "soil" between again not reinstated. I appreciate there could be other reasons to raise the floor.
It could be the "soil" is local white sand of Quartz chips leftover from the degradation of the rocks over millenia I believe Quartz and Chalk, flint layers have been found in areas where they are common.
I imagine that prior to the acceptance of plate tectonic theory any geology student who pointed out the continents appeared to fit together like a jigsaw puzzle would have been laughed out of class.
Until something is proven it is easy to scoff.
A geology degree holding friend of mine remarked that 5000 years of drift might affect visual alignments.
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| Posted 22-01-2013 at 18:38
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On 2013-01-22 18:16, rogeralbin wrote:
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On 2013-01-21 19:41, tiompan wrote:
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On 2013-01-21 19:11, rogeralbin wrote:
A quick off the wall thought the so called passage tombs covered in alternate layers above and below of organic and inorganic materials reminds me of a stacked capacitor.
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It used to be Reichian orgone accumulators .
Which monuments were thinking of ?
George
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First off I am not going to defend Orgone theory,
Secondly this is off the top of my head as I have not checked it due to having a seasonal virus.
Was there not some controversy about Silbury that the recent dig did not reinstate the layering but backfilled pellmell?
La Varde and if I remember Le Dehus had two layers of stone flooring with "soil" between again not reinstated. I appreciate there could be other reasons to raise the floor.
It could be the "soil" is local white sand of Quartz chips leftover from the degradation of the rocks over millenia I believe Quartz and Chalk, flint layers have been found in areas where they are common.
I imagine that prior to theacceptance of plate tectonic theory any geology student who pointed out the continents appeared to fit together like a jigsaw puzzle would have been laughed out of class.
Until something is proven it is easy to scoff.
A geology degree holding friend of mine remarked that 5000 years of drift might affect visual alignments.
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For the virus get some night nurse, but better still is a nurse for the night.
http://www.world-pyramids.com/atr/usa/monkmound.html
The layerings will be almost ignored by most these days, but to people who understood where each origonates from, and how each layer symbiotically interacts with well lets say orgone shall We???
It's only a word reich used as He moved to Oregon.
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| Posted 22-01-2013 at 18:52
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On 2013-01-22 18:16, rogeralbin wrote:
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On 2013-01-21 19:11, rogeralbin wrote:
A quick off the wall thought the so called passage tombs covered in alternate layers above and below of organic and inorganic materials reminds me of a stacked capacitor.
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It used to be Reichian orgone accumulators .
Which monuments were thinking of ?
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First off I am not going to defend Orgone theory,
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I’d second that .
The use of layers of different materials is not uncommon in passage graves . Newgrange Z had turves boulder clay then turves . Barclodiad had turves piled horizontally around the chamber which in turn wwere covered in stones . Newgrange L has a mound of sand around the chamber (possibly the only Irish example ) this was followed by turves mixed with clay . The main Newgrange monument is much more complex having different materials on the original ground surface at different places , e.g. behind kerbstone 2 a mound of boulder clay had a layer of turf this was covered by large stones and earth .What is intriguing in some cases is that the various layers can be viewed as a concentric circles that are also marked by architectural features .
Yes the story of Wegner is a great example of how science advances not by authority or accepting the word of others but by producing evidence in falsifiable form .
The continents are not only moving laterally they are also rising and sinking depending where you are .
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| Posted 22-01-2013 at 19:34
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On 2013-01-22 18:52, tiompan wrote:
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On 2013-01-21 19:11, rogeralbin wrote:
A quick off the wall thought the so called passage tombs covered in alternate layers above and below of organic and inorganic materials reminds me of a stacked capacitor.
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It used to be Reichian orgone accumulators .
Which monuments were thinking of ?
George
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First off I am not going to defend Orgone theory,
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I’d second that .
The use of layers of different materials is not uncommon in passage graves . Newgrange Z had turves boulder clay then turves . Barclodiad had turves piled horizontally around the chamber which in turn wwere covered in stones . Newgrange L has a mound of sand around the chamber (possibly the only Irish example ) this was followed by turves mixed with clay . The main Newgrange monument is much more complex having different materials on the original ground surface at different places , e.g. behind kerbstone 2 a mound of boulder clay had a layer of turf this was covered by large stones and earth .What is intriguing in some cases is that the various layers can be viewed as a concentric circles that are also marked by architectural features .
Yes the story of Wegner is a great example of how science advances not by authority or accepting the word of others but by producing evidence in falsifiable form .
The continents are not only moving laterally they are also rising and sinking depending where you are .
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| Posted 22-01-2013 at 19:52
Sorry,
I was so dumfounded by the statement as fact that the continents are moving not only laterally, but up and down as well was been made by Mr azimuth and alingment Himself ...that I must have just pressed a button wrongly in amazement?????
Where does that leave the alignments of all sites????
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| Posted 22-01-2013 at 20:45
You obviously haven't read or maybe understood what I usually say about alignments .
The stars and even the sun and moon have changed position relative to a fixed spot on the Earth over the millenia too .
Why don't you google it and see the rate of change of each of the components to see how it would impact on an "alignment " from 5000 years ago .
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| Posted 22-01-2013 at 21:48
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On 2013-01-22 20:45, tiompan wrote:
You obviously haven't read or maybe understood what I usually say about alignments .
The stars and even the sun and moon have changed position relative to a fixed spot on the Earth over the millenia too .
Why don't you google it and see the rate of change of each of the components to see how it would impact on an "alignment " from 5000 years ago .
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No I am sorry, if the continents were moving laterally and up and down as You stated, there would need to be countless variations .
Has stone henge moved sideways and up or down?
Have the pyramids moved in a different direction?
Funny.
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On 2013-01-22 21:48, cropredy wrote:
Has stone henge moved sideways and up or down?
Have the pyramids moved in a different direction?
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If your'e really intested it's possible to find out .
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| Posted 22-01-2013 at 22:55
Trying to draw a line under some of this stuff:
1 That electomagnetic/telluric/gravitational fields vary locally over the surface of the Earth is accepted science.
2 That certain objects/minerals/combinations of such can alter the fields is also accepted science.
3 What is up for debate is wether at megalithic sites the use of the above was deliberate with that or other purpose in mind or purley random.
4 Wether people can dowse to a lesser or greater extent the varience in those fields is relevant in that it displays the mechanism by which the builders may have been aware of and desired to manipulate such for whatever ends.
5 That if in the event of dowsing being accepted as one of our additional senses, some will obiously as in all human endeavour be more proficient than others.
6 Ought debate be stifled on for example the theory of relativity because the concepts are beyond the abilities of some?
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| Posted 22-01-2013 at 23:47
...perhaps we could get back onto the subject of The Religious Purpose of the Early Pictish Symbol Stones ... ?
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