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Posted 14-01-2013 at 13:45 Dowsing demonstration on link below
Eerie Investigations - Crop Circles, 2009, Programme 1 of 2
In 2009 Eerie Investigations travelled to Avebury, Wiltshire, to view some of the 2009 season's crop circles and visit the stone circles in the surrounding area.. We met with experts Busty Taylor and Maria Wheatley to learn more about these phenomena.
Dowsing demonstration on link below
Eerie Investigations - Crop Circles, 2009, Programme 1 of 2
In 2009 Eerie Investigations travelled to Avebury, Wiltshire, to view some of the 2009 season's crop circles and visit the stone circles in the surrounding area.. We met with experts Busty Taylor and Maria Wheatley to learn more about these phenomena.
Posted 14-01-2013 at 15:42
I admit cropredy that the term "expert" drives me away also.
Who's an "expert" in anything?
To use the word means one knows everything there is to know about a certain matter which is almost impossible.
Interesting rotations of the rod though at certain,banded intervals up the stone.
Posted 14-01-2013 at 16:05
Maria is a no nonsense Dowser,she says it as it is with no weird pseudo-scientific explanations.I have been round Avebury with her and Busty a few times,They say,this is what we do, try it.
I shall be back there again in April.
Posted 14-01-2013 at 16:13
Sleeved rods are a hinderance , imho.
The stones do amplify what is occuring naturally, thus it is easier to see the layerings, and the layers compress nearer the surface at such as Avebury due to the density of the geometry that occurs there.
The embankments and ditchs were far fr higher and deeper , and I cannot see a crowd of spectators been stood on such an embankment.
What is evident is that the embankment and ditch locations match the local overalcirculations of the opposite spin flows, and IMHO were created to entice apart the layers to entice them down desired routes seperately.
The the later stones were additions to try to upgrade flows that were diminishing naturally.
Silbury hill is the opposite where it is in effect a plug that was enlarged and enlarged in an effort to stop the flows earthing at that location when they were in decline, as they were required to operate WKLB.
The main flow enters WKLB from the rear end after coming from silbury hill and turnig almost ninty degrees at a nodal point a hundred yards off the back end of WKLB.
The flows lowering in strengths will coincide with a general forgetting about them as such, and a more belief based system replacing.
Thus when that expert started waffling on about "ritual" etc, I switched it off.
cropredyl
On 2013-01-14 16:16, hamish wrote:
Typical Cropredy waffle when something that doesn't fit in with his weird pseudo-science comes up. Grow up man.
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I,m in My sixties .
What You missed was a simple IN MY OPINION.
I realise without been continually and tiresomely told that many have a doubtfull opinion of Me.
But without such , it becomes a personal ad hominen attack, and is offensive.
That is YOU been offensive, very typical of a sub standerd bunch on another forum, imo.
cropredy
Posted 14-01-2013 at 17:13
Folksies,you are all sound people and all share a common interest here,yet we all have our differences don't we...otherwise it would indeed be a boring place!
Our "higher selves"always continue to love each other.
Simply intending to establish an alternate thinking on matters.
Beauty to all!
On 2013-01-14 17:13, jackdaw1 wrote:
Folksies,you are all sound people and all share a common interest here,yet we all have our differences don't we...otherwise it would indeed be a boring place!
Our "higher selves"always continue to love each other.
Simply intending to establish an alternate thinking on matters.
Beauty to all!
Scroll down well into that link and read about rocks absorbing and re-radiating something, think of this link and some rather large rocks at Avebury.
TTBrown does ponder about the pyramids and why huge granite blocks were set in place over the kings chamber.
cropredy
Posted 14-01-2013 at 20:16
Well said Jackdaw, I'll second that!
Just three points of order to add for everyone, firstly, let's cease the ad hominem, if you disagree with someone, then concentrate on the points someone's made and comment on those, not the person. Secondly, if anyone has a problem with other forums, please don't make derogatory comments about them here, it's not the place for it. Thirdly, many people dowse and all dowsers find what they want to look for. Even though we don't search for the same things, one person is no more correct than another in this subjective field. Similarly, people use different tools or none to find what they are looking for, again, it's personal choice, what's right for one person isn't right for another.
Around 7:53 in the video, there's an explanation about how the moon affects that stone's energy and on certain days people can be attracted or repelled by one of the bands on it. Sam Osman, author of Quicksilver described that experience which happened to her on a guided tour she did for research at Avebury. AndyB interviewed her and I've always wondered which stone it was that caused that effect, whether there was a certain time it happened etc. She also mentioned about the energy bands being measured by some form of equipment - I vaguely remember a previous discussion on here about this, that image on the book she's holding with the bands marked in pink looks familiar.
Wish I had the time to watch all of the vids. Did I hear her correctly at the beginning, she's Dennis Wheatley's daughter?
Rune
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On 2013-01-14 17:13, jackdaw1 wrote:
Folksies,you are all sound people and all share a common interest here,yet we all have our differences don't we...otherwise it would indeed be a boring place!
Our "higher selves"always continue to love each other.
Simply intending to establish an alternate thinking on matters.
Beauty to all!
Posted 17-01-2013 at 19:24
Yes Rune, She ias the daughter of the late dowser and author Dennis Wheatley. Not the author of to the devil a daughter though.
He did a lot of work in Avebury, Stonehenge environs and Glastonbury. A quite remarkable man.
Posted 17-01-2013 at 23:01
Thank-you Hamish. I had assumed it was the 'devil' author and I'm pleasantly surprised to have now discovered his namesake.
This is the image she is holding in the video that Jackdaw linked to. http://www.theaveburyexperience.co.uk/megalithic.html Interesting to note that those bands are measurable by " highly sensitive electromagnetic detecting equipment "
Rune
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On 2013-01-17 19:24, hamish wrote:
Yes Rune, She ias the daughter of the late dowser and author Dennis Wheatley. Not the author of to the devil a daughter though.
He did a lot of work in Avebury, Stonehenge environs and Glastonbury. A quite remarkable man.
On 2013-01-14 17:13, jackdaw1 wrote:
Folksies,you are all sound people and all share a common interest here,yet we all have our differences don't we...otherwise it would indeed be a boring place!
Our "higher selves"always continue to love each other.
Simply intending to establish an alternate thinking on matters.
Beauty to all!
Scroll down well into that link and read about rocks absorbing and re-radiating something, think of this link and some rather large rocks at Avebury.
TTBrown does ponder about the pyramids and why huge granite blocks were set in place over the kings chamber.
cropredy
Posted 09-02-2013 at 16:22
Thought it might be helpful, given the presence of dowsers here, if I publish a strange episode in my life.
Dowsing Light Beams
The following notes summarize a series of impromptu dowsing experiments that I carried out in 1977 whilst serving in the Army. I would love to see someone duplicate these tests as I believe they hold out the promise of a repeatable experiment that will prove our ability to subconsciously communicate, not only with each other, but with the rest of physical matter!
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I was on leave from my army unit in Cyprus when I happened to watch a “Tomorrows World” special on BBC TV entitled “Now you see it, now you don’t”. The programme dealt with the dowsing experiments of a retired engineer who was trying to prove that water dowsers were actually detecting reflected solar radiation? He believed that a portion of the suns radiation was penetrating the earth’s surface, which when it encountered subterranean water, was reflected back to the surface? During the programme, both he and the presenters demonstrated an ability to dowse beams of sunlight reflected by a mirror.
This appeared to substantiate the retired engineer’s hypothesis, but then things really became bizarre when the engineer suddenly revealed that it was possible to continue dowsing these light beams long after the mirror had been removed? A series of experiments followed with the presenters laying down beams of reflected sunlight out of sight of their co-presenters. Whereupon their colleagues would come along and successfully detect with their rods, where these invisible beams of reflected light had been?
I returned to Cyprus and the 22-man UN Observation Post I was helping to run, and after many days of boredom I decided to see if I too could dowse these light beams. I was soon walking self-consciously about the villa we occupied with bent coat hangers in my hand. My first tentative steps and the rods responded by crossed over in front of my body. I later discovered that the rods had detected the underground water pipes and electricity cables feeding the villa! Encouraged, I set about trying to dowse reflected sunlight.
Using a metal mirror, I laid down a beam of light, and walk through it with my rods at the ready. Sure enough, the rods responded by crossing over in front of my body as I passed through the light beam, moving open as I left it. I took this experiment a step further by asking one of my colleagues to lay down a beam of light, note its path, and then remove the mirror. When called, I emerged from hiding and after walking about for a few minutes, was able to locate the path along which the beam of light had once been reflected.
The word quickly spread, and before I knew it, there was a queue of lads wanting to try their hand at dowsing or laying down the beams of sunlight. The sceptical were keen arbiters in this process, and very quickly a game emerged as they sought to test one another’s ability to find these invisible light beams; the sceptics were quickly converted. Of the 22 men on the OP, only one chap was unable to dowse. It is both sad and informative to note that this one individual didn’t mix well or form any close friendships.
The game continued around the gardens for a number of days, before it became impossible to dowse anywhere in the gardens without discovering previous invisible light beams. God know what the Greek and Turkish soldiers thought of our antics as they watched us through their binoculars, our sentries watching them as they watched us; life can often be very absurd in the forces. These playful experiments took an unusual turn one evening when I looked up into the sky and realised that nature had placed a huge mirror in the sky, in the form of the moon. I immediately grabbed my rods and walked tentatively out into the garden.
What I discovered was extremely puzzling; every third step I took, the rods would cross and then uncross as I took the next step? Whichever direction I walked in it was the same; three steps and the rods would across my midriff? After changing the sentries, I asked one of the lads coming off duty to try dowsing across the garden as I had done. To be sure that I didn’t influence the outcome in any way I stood behind him to one side so I could see the rods reaction. You can imagine my bewilderment when I saw his rods reacting with every third step that he took? I mused over this odd discovery for some time, until eventually I took a compass and began to plot this invisible pattern of lines; confident in the knowledge that I was now dealing with something tangible. As it was, the more I examined this extraordinary pattern of lines the more I questioned this lunar effect, it just didn’t much sense. Eventually, I was left with only one avenue to explore; the possibility that on that moonlit night I had gone out into the garden, and without thinking, had walked through a series of evenly spaced “old” reflected light beams?
I knew that a dowsers rod movements were caused by an imperceptible muscle movement in the wrists; obviously a subconsciously induced movement. The realisation struck me that we might be subconsciously communicating with one another. I therefore grabbed one of the sentries coming of duty, gave him my rods and asked to dowse ahead of me whilst walking towards the moon which loomed large in the sky. Without any form of prompting, I noted that his rods also began to respond to the pattern I had discovered? Had I realised influenced the rods held by this sentry I asked myself? If this was the case I mused, then I had a partial explanation for our ability to dowse these invisible rays of reflected sunlight. Thankfully, I didn’t consider the enormous implications of what I was proposing when tried my next experiment. The following night I asked one of the lads to stand with his rods in his hands at the ready whilst standing still on the veranda facing the moon. I retreated back into the villa and positioned myself at the side window making sure I was out of sight behind him. From where I stood it was still possible to see his rods without giving him form of cues, and so I set about willing his dowsing rods to move.
I cannot describe my feelings when they actually began to move! I remember his face as the rods suddenly moved in his hands; he turned towards me with a look of complete bewilderment on his face. My expression was no different as I explained what I had just done. We spent an hour or so changing places, each time successfully moving each other’s rods. It was an extremely unusual feeling actually moving something so physically removed from oneself, simply by urging one rod or both to move; the combinations eventually becoming obvious as we progressed. From a dowsing prospective, the moving rods felt no different than when indicating a find.
Once again the rest of the lads noted what we were doing and began to test each other out, successfully duplicating our experiment, such that it became a game. Eventually the lads devised an intriguing game of wills, whereby one lad would hold a single rod whilst two rivals stood either side of him. Each would try and push the rod towards the other, the loser being the one who failed to push the rod towards his opponent. Eventually we left the OP and moved onto another posting and so ended this rather odd series of experiments.
Dowsing is all about field.
Light is all about field.
We think via the palms of our hands, which is field based.
The rods react to our field based thoughts.
Light is not "beaming", it sure appears to be.
Light occurs relative to two field patterns.
Humans are akin to radio recievers, and antennae senders.
Via a background omni present universal substance.
Our thoughts are transferable, and can be directed either to or from another.
The rods will react to those thought patterns.
My most sensitive rods are carbon fibre.
Posted 10-02-2013 at 11:26
Elijah ,
If reflected light from the moon can cause the rods to move then there are few places out of doors that will not produce the effect . That might make the dowsing experience even more open to interpretation .
If others can influence the rods to move why should the person holding the rods not be considered at least equally as influential ?
If others can influence the rods to move then is not possible that the sentry repeating your three step experience may have been influenced by you and not “old reflected moonbeams “ ?
If the three steps experience were caused by regularly spaced moon beams then transverse movement should result in noting diffraction , further the regular spacing would become less regular and shift in time due to the movement of the moon .
If you accept that others can influence the movement of the rods why not consider that you were the influence for the three step spacing , rather than moonbeams being the cause ?
Posted 10-02-2013 at 11:32
I have to think you wouldn't see that on the equivalent of Tomorrow's World these days as the 'science police' Ben Goldacre and all would have a fit. I'm glad to see he's taking on important things like dodgy drug companies these days rather than bickering with the archaeological fringe.
Runemage wrote.... Thanks Elijah, interesting account, maybe some of our readers would like to have a go at that technique.
I hope they do and that they keep us posted.
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Cropredy wrote... We think via the palms of our hands,..
Very insightful, you only have to look at the area of our brain associated with our hands to see that relationship. Think for a moment how shoals of fish and flocks of birds move-as-one to appreciate how inherent this subconscious communication appears to be.
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tiompan wrote... If you accept that others can influence the movement of the rods why not consider that you were the influence for the three step spacing , rather than moonbeams being the cause?
That was actually the conclusion I tested and eventually arrived at.
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Andy wrote... I have to think you wouldn't see that on the equivalent of Tomorrow's World these days as the 'science police' Ben Goldacre and all would have a fit. I'm glad to see he's taking on important things like dodgy drug companies these days rather than bickering with the archaeological fringe.
Was he also responsible for the many SHC debunking programs?
On 2013-02-10 11:26, tiompan wrote:
Elijah ,
If reflected light from the moon can cause the rods to move then there are few places out of doors that will not produce the effect . That might make the dowsing experience even more open to interpretation .
If others can influence the rods to move why should the person holding the rods not be considered at least equally as influential ?
If others can influence the rods to move then is not possible that the sentry repeating your three step experience may have been influenced by you and not “old reflected moonbeams “ ?
If the three steps experience were caused by regularly spaced moon beams then transverse movement should result in noting diffraction , further the regular spacing would become less regular and shift in time due to the movement of the moon .
If you accept that others can influence the movement of the rods why not consider that you were the influence for the three step spacing , rather than moonbeams being the cause ?
George
Light is not reflecting or beaming at all.
That is merely the current indoctrination and accepted.
Light occurs, it does not travel, it occurs when counter rotating memory fields interact.
There is no light in space until another memory field is encountered, hence when anything is out in space light occurs locally relative to the counter memory fields, in our case the dominant memory field is the suns.
There is a vector created that appears as though it is a direct line from the sun, it is not, it is the consequence of the earths field meeting the suns field, hence why light is different at various locations between the poles and equator.
cropredy
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