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cropredy
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I have provided many times the Britarch report of the bearings of all the church's in England and Wales which shows how they are aligned across a range of alignments from 82 to 96 degrees
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All ?
You have forgotten about Ian's Cornish examples which have a mean of just over 80 degrees . Ian's findings are the results of empirical research nothing to do with dowsing .
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I haven't forgotten, I just left a link to it above.
He simply used a six foot piece of wood with a compass attached and set it against the walls.
Which I do, I check against compass, and I live a hundred yards from one at 86 degrees, and it fits exactly the matrix which is detectable by dowsing.
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On 2013-01-14 13:22, tiompan wrote:
"dowsers can't do what they say "
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When You mentioned Lethbridge been able to determine different things at differing pendulem lengths, this is basically the reason.
If I want to locate a rabbit, I think only of rabbits, there are usually too many close by each other so it's confusing.
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I mentioned Lethbridge as an example someone who made big claims but never managed to prove it .
Can dowsers find ,gold , a rabbit , rock art , Shergar , unrecorded archaeology etc , simply by dowsing ? If so , that is all they have to do to convince sceptics .
If you feel that is beneath you , you'll never convince anybody but those who have bought into the show .Until then your wasting your time continually repeating the same stuff
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Shergar!!!!!
Thats worse than a buried bucket of water.
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| Posted 14-01-2013 at 16:39
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On 2013-01-14 14:03, tiompan wrote:
I have provided many times the Britarch report of the bearings of all the church's in England and Wales which shows how they are aligned across a range of alignments from 82 to 96 degrees
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All ?
You have forgotten about Ian's Cornish examples which have a mean of just over 80 degrees . Ian's findings are the results of empirical research nothing to do with dowsing .
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I haven't forgotten, I just left a link to it above.
He simply used a six foot piece of wood with a compass attached and set it against the walls.
Which I do, I check against compass, and I live a hundred yards from one at 86 degrees, and it fits exactly the matrix which is detectable by dowsing.
cropredy
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if you hadn't forgotten why did you quote 82 when the mean in Cornwall was 80 ?
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| Posted 14-01-2013 at 16:41
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On 2013-01-14 13:22, tiompan wrote:
"dowsers can't do what they say "
cropredy
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When You mentioned Lethbridge been able to determine different things at differing pendulem lengths, this is basically the reason.
If I want to locate a rabbit, I think only of rabbits, there are usually too many close by each other so it's confusing.
cropredy
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I mentioned Lethbridge as an example someone who made big claims but never managed to prove it .
Can dowsers find ,gold , a rabbit , rock art , Shergar , unrecorded archaeology etc , simply by dowsing ? If so , that is all they have to do to convince sceptics .
If you feel that is beneath you , you'll never convince anybody but those who have bought into the show .Until then your wasting your time continually repeating the same stuff
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Shergar!!!!!
Thats worse than a buried bucket of water.
cropredy
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Humour as well as common sense by pass eh .
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Roger , dowsers may not be looking for the same thing . I am concerned with their claims and what they can actually find .Of course rods , hands , pendulums etc don't matter , it's results . Yes , by all means let's test when there are variables , however I didn't feel that would have been fair on the dowsers , but it wouldn't rule out wondering at the cause suggested by the dowser .
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George,
My brief guess to the time variables would be the annual being Solar, others Lunar synodic, Venus synodic etc.
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Roger , if the cause was due to these factors , it would be predictable , nobody afaik has produced data to suggest a correlation . The explanation(s) needn't be environmental
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| Posted 14-01-2013 at 17:29
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On 2013-01-14 14:03, tiompan wrote:
I have provided many times the Britarch report of the bearings of all the church's in England and Wales which shows how they are aligned across a range of alignments from 82 to 96 degrees
cropredy
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All ?
You have forgotten about Ian's Cornish examples which have a mean of just over 80 degrees . Ian's findings are the results of empirical research nothing to do with dowsing .
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I haven't forgotten, I just left a link to it above.
He simply used a six foot piece of wood with a compass attached and set it against the walls.
Which I do, I check against compass, and I live a hundred yards from one at 86 degrees, and it fits exactly the matrix which is detectable by dowsing.
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All ?
if you hadn't forgotten why did you quote 82 when the mean in Cornwall was 80 ?
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I couldn't remember the exact bearings hence I BELIEVE which I put straight after the figures, then I bothered to find the link and post it.
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| Posted 14-01-2013 at 17:31
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On 2013-01-14 16:21, cropredy wrote:
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On 2013-01-14 13:22, tiompan wrote:
"dowsers can't do what they say "
cropredy
What can dowsers do ?
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When You mentioned Lethbridge been able to determine different things at differing pendulem lengths, this is basically the reason.
If I want to locate a rabbit, I think only of rabbits, there are usually too many close by each other so it's confusing.
cropredy
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I mentioned Lethbridge as an example someone who made big claims but never managed to prove it .
Can dowsers find ,gold , a rabbit , rock art , Shergar , unrecorded archaeology etc , simply by dowsing ? If so , that is all they have to do to convince sceptics .
If you feel that is beneath you , you'll never convince anybody but those who have bought into the show .Until then your wasting your time continually repeating the same stuff
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Shergar!!!!!
Thats worse than a buried bucket of water.
cropredy
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Humour as well as common sense by pass eh .
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You are now resorting to ad hominen and personal and offensive remarks, anyone would think You and hamish were in a team????
Just add IMO.
It's simply common sense...nes pas?
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| Posted 14-01-2013 at 17:36
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Roger , dowsers may not be looking for the same thing . I am concerned with their claims and what they can actually find .Of course rods , hands , pendulums etc don't matter , it's results . Yes , by all means let's test when there are variables , however I didn't feel that would have been fair on the dowsers , but it wouldn't rule out wondering at the cause suggested by the dowser .
George
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George,
My brief guess to the time variables would be the annual being Solar, others Lunar synodic, Venus synodic etc.
Rog
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Roger , if the cause was due to these factors , it would be predictable , nobody afaik has produced data to suggest a correlation . The explanation(s) needn't be environmental
George
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I would recommend TT Browns meters that were encased and deep underground all around the globe.
They consisted of rock sensors....koolau from hawaii.
They were connected to graphs , and TT Brown slept with them at times to be there when GLITCHES occured.
Those glitches were recorded as occuring instantly in time at all recorders.
One of the biggest glitches occured on the date of 21st of Dec...what a surprise...not to Me.
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| Posted 14-01-2013 at 17:37
http://www.rexresearch.com/brown4/brown4.htm
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Roger , we can predict the effect of electricity on humans from mild tingling to frying .
What is going on when an individual dowses ? They can report , or we can see , or experience it ourselves if we are the dowser , the movement of rods in a particular manner at a particular spot , this may be repeated or fail to be repeated by the same individual or others at the same or another time . Why do some create fantastical explanations for these effects when there is no evidence to support them and there are much simpler explanations . Is it really that much different from believing that spirits are the cause of the movement on a ouija board . Do dowsers claim to be capable of finding that which is hidden ? , if so then to prove their case all they have to do is to do that under controlled conditions .This ,they have continually failed to do .
George
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George,
1 Can we predict that the effect of the electricity in the form of a mild tingling on the dowsers skin is likely caused by variations in the telluric currents?
2 I do not use rods, no comment.
3 Ouija board, never tried, no comment.
4 Hidden objects, it appears some make the claim.
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Roger , dowsers may not be looking for the same thing . I am concerned with their claims and what they can actually find .Of course rods , hands , pendulums etc don't matter , it's results . Yes , by all means let's test when there are variables , however I didn't feel that would have been fair on the dowsers , but it wouldn't rule out wondering at the cause suggested by the dowser .
George
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George,
My brief guess to the time variables would be the annual being Solar, others Lunar synodic, Venus synodic etc.
Rog
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Roger , if the cause was due to these factors , it would be predictable , nobody afaik has produced data to suggest a correlation . The explanation(s) needn't be environmental
George
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George,
I never suggested it was not predictable, simply that you were dismissing the repeatability without being aware of the time factor of the cycle. See telluric currents, Solar wind, Magnetosphere etc.
As to data when did that ever get in the way of dissing a theorey?
Croppy posted months ago the frequencey to tune the car radio for the signature, did you try it?
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| Posted 14-01-2013 at 18:13
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Roger , we can predict the effect of electricity on humans from mild tingling to frying .
What is going on when an individual dowses ? They can report , or we can see , or experience it ourselves if we are the dowser , the movement of rods in a particular manner at a particular spot , this may be repeated or fail to be repeated by the same individual or others at the same or another time . Why do some create fantastical explanations for these effects when there is no evidence to support them and there are much simpler explanations . Is it really that much different from believing that spirits are the cause of the movement on a ouija board . Do dowsers claim to be capable of finding that which is hidden ? , if so then to prove their case all they have to do is to do that under controlled conditions .This ,they have continually failed to do .
George
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George,
1 Can we predict that the effect of the electricity in the form of a mild tingling on the dowsers skin is likely caused by variations in the telluric currents?
2 I do not use rods, no comment.
3 Ouija board, never tried, no comment.
4 Hidden objects, it appears some make the claim.
Rog
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Roger , 1) as telluric currents are recordable we might be able to compare data from dowsers to see if there is a correlation .
2) the recorded data from dowsers need not be derived solely from rods .
4) different dowsers make different claims , there does seem to be a general we find x when we concentrate on x .
George
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George,
1 Can we predict that the effect of the electricity in the form of a mild tingling on the dowsers skin is likely caused by variations in the telluric currents?
2 I do not use rods, no comment.
3 Ouija board, never tried, no comment.
4 Hidden objects, it appears some make the claim.
Rog
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Roger , 1) as telluric currents are recordable we might be able to compare data from dowsers to see if there is a correlation .
2) the recorded data from dowsers need not be derived solely from rods .
4) different dowsers make different claims , there does seem to be a general we find x when we concentrate on x .
George
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George,
1 Seems fair comment.
2 Seems fair comment.
4 In this instance is it fair for example to a water dowser to send them off looking for tits on a Bullfrog only to scream "fail" if they do?
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George,
1 Can we predict that the effect of the electricity in the form of a mild tingling on the dowsers skin is likely caused by variations in the telluric currents?
2 I do not use rods, no comment.
3 Ouija board, never tried, no comment.
4 Hidden objects, it appears some make the claim.
Rog
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Roger , 1) as telluric currents are recordable we might be able to compare data from dowsers to see if there is a correlation .
2) the recorded data from dowsers need not be derived solely from rods .
4) different dowsers make different claims , there does seem to be a general we find x when we concentrate on x .
George
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George,
1 Seems fair comment.
2 Seems fair comment.
4 In this instance is it fair for example to a water dowser to send them off looking for tits on a Bullfrog only to scream "fail" if they do?
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Roger , 4)
Getting a reaction is only that , it’s not finding anything . If the reaction is due to physical forces that are recordable then we should be able to correlate the findings . If not then we have to admit we don’t know what the cause of the reaction may be and accept that it may not be environmental , as in the case of the ouija board .The type of explanations given by dowsers are fanciful with no supporting evidence and the suggestions that they are capable of finding tits or bullfrogs , separately or various elements never proven either .
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| Posted 14-01-2013 at 21:00
I will openly admit to not been able to find tits on bullfrogs.
Mindst You I ain't actually tried either.
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Kev,
they are best served with a sprinkling of Shergar,
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Kev,
they are best served with a sprinkling of Shergar,
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Tesco beefburgers??????
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they are best served with a sprinkling of Shergar,
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Tesco beefburgers??????
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Kev,
I think it may take more to convince George that you may not have had some media clues on that one.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljPFZrRD3J8
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