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|  Posted 24-12-2012 at 18:59
Neolithic New Year walk
Friday, 11 January 2013 11am - 3pm All Tickets £8.50
Welcome in 2013 by discovering the astonishing Stone Age on a walk around the ancient monuments of the Stonehenge landscape.
Why did people start to build massive monuments 6,000 years ago? Discover the astonishing Stone Age on a relaxed ramble around Stonehenge Down. Our route of around six miles will take us to Neolithic enigmas including Durrington Walls and the Stonehenge Cursus.
More Information: Lucy Evershed, 01980 664780, stonehenge@nationaltrust.org.uk
Winter archaeology walk
Saturday, 19 January 2013 2pm - 4:30 pm Adult £5, Child £0 (under 16)
Explore the wider Stonehenge World Heritage Site with a guide and discover hidden histories, ancient mysteries and winter wildlife.
Enjoy a winter afternoon walk up on the downs learning about the ancient archaeology of the Stonehenge World Heritage Site and the area's varied wildlife. On this three mile walk with views of the stone circle, we'll visit ancient earthworks that have revealed much about the people who once lived and celebrated here. Talking points include the Cursus, the many and varied barrows, and an ancient avenue connecting ceremonial centres.
More Information: Lucy Evershed, 01980 664780, stonehenge@nationaltrust.org.uk
http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/stonehenge-landscape/
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| Posted 26-12-2012 at 01:37
The southeast bend in the Avenue to the river is difficult to connect with rituals aligned to summer sunrise, but obviously the Avenue is a coherent whole as designed. Therefore is the SH alignment really for winter sunset with the river avenue aligned to winter sunrise?
So we can reason about meanings. The sunrise would be the last for that cycle and although it may be "birth" it could be "death" of the past year. Similarly with sunset. The loss of the sun may be the start of the next year's life, like fertilisation, as in the horse-shoe. This would be at the end of the day that began with sunrise on the river, at the Avenue entrance. The old year , represented by a procession of something to SH may stop at the Heelstone at sunset to pass some phallic life to the horseshoe.
Next day's sunrise would be greeted back at the river Avenue as a new life. Then on to Durrington for pork and beer.
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| Posted 27-12-2012 at 09:28
Newgrange is winter sunrise and Maeshowe is winter sunset.
Maybe SH has both?
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| Posted 09-01-2013 at 14:22
I've been trying to find out more about 11/1/13 walk for the last 3 days! I was trying to find out whether you can just turn up on the day as my trip would involve 5 hours driving, bridge tolls etc and I was not prepared to pay in advance for a walk that might involved getting soaked - I can do that in South Wales for free. However, numerous calls have only put me through to a voice-message and leaving my tel no has not resulted in a return call.
Looks like I won't be going.
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Newgrange is winter sunrise and Maeshowe is winter sunset.
Maybe SH has both?
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The first bend in the Avenue leaving Stonehenge is a straight-run that aligns with Winter Solstice Sunrise, yes.
The second run that passes between the King's Barrows and Vaspasian's Camp is merely the quickest route to Bluestonehenge by the River.
In my opinion, they didn't put the Avenue directly out from Stonehenge for 2 reasons.
1.) The drama associated with approaching the Monument along the Summer Solstice Alignment.
2.) It would have squarely hit the Sun, represented by the Amesbury 11 Bell Barrow, also aligned to the Winter Sunrise as seen from Stonehenge.
Though poorly researched, this curious Bell Barrow is generally thought to predate the Avenue. Its size and many spatial relationships to the larger monument leave little doubt that the two were integrally associated.
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| Posted 09-01-2013 at 22:58
Neil, I can't see how 2) ,the solstice part , applies .
George
[ This message was edited by: tiompan on 2013-01-09 23:02 ]
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On 2013-01-09 22:58, tiompan wrote:
Neil, I can't see how 2) ,the solstice part , applies .
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I'm sorry my friend - I'm not sure I understand the question ...
Are you asking about the Avenue Exit or the Bell Barrow conjecture?
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| Posted 10-01-2013 at 09:25
Neil , Just the SH - barrow bit.
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Neil, I can't see how 2) ,the solstice part , applies .
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I'm sorry my friend - I'm not sure I understand the question ...
Are you asking about the Avenue Exit or the Bell Barrow conjecture?
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| Posted 10-01-2013 at 12:47
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On 2013-01-10 09:25, tiompan wrote:
Neil , Just the SH - barrow bit.
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George,
As you may recall some months ago (like 9 or 10) I was trying to make sense of the Amesbury 11 Bell Barrow.
Its proximity to SH Must have had more significance other than just being some Big-Shot's grave. It's too close and I cannot see how they would have allowed it unless its purpose was in some way complimentary.
As you're most likely aware, it is my contention that Stonehenge represented, in addition to several other evolutionary things, an Earth-Centric Cosmos. With the Stone Circle as Earth, the Sun's noon & midnight positions at either Solstice, the Moon's position at high & low Standstill, the location of Stonehenge on the earth's sphere and the Axial Tilt of the planet are demonstrated.
The Avenue clearly aligns to the Summer Solstice Sunrise, but we have come to understand the significance in the Neolithic of the Winter Solstice being at least equally important.
So then I wondered if there might be something else which 'commemorated' this event other than Sunset through the Great Trilithon. The corollary wooden 'Sister Henge' at Durrington has this Sunrise alignment in its short Avenue, so maybe there was something at the Stone Monument as well.
Well, it turns out that the east-bound run of the Avenue aligns to the WS Sunrise, which is kinda cool.
What else might there be?
We hark back to Amesbury 11 and its proximity to Great Henge. The distance between the two is equivalent to the diameter of Stonehenge's Ditch.
The diameter of the Barrow's crown is equivalent to that of the Stone Circle, defined by the pre-existing Station Stones.
It then occurred that the angle of instance between the two was identical to the East-run of the Avenue.
So, within the paradigm of the above concept, the Barrow's shape, size, proximity, & angle from the center of the Big Monument tend to indicate that it was placed there as a representation of the Sun at Sunrise on the Winter Solstice.
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Jon's wordless riff on my picture seems to show an angle of 24 degrees from the North point of the Ditch to the center of the Barrow. ~24 degrees is the Axial Tilt, so perhaps this is also significant in some way, other than co-incidence?
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Neil
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| Posted 10-01-2013 at 16:04
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Still haven't convinced myself about the moon. Needs an afternoon nearby Stonehenge to show why, though the same thing exists near sem over in the area where MPP is doing all that stuff about quarrying.
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Or perhaps much more important? I'm still not convinced about the Summer Solstice lark.
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On 2013-01-10 15:00, Feanor wrote:
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On 2013-01-10 09:25, tiompan wrote:
Neil , Just the SH - barrow bit.
George
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Well, it turns out that the east-bound run of the Avenue aligns to the WS Sunrise, which is kinda cool.
What else might there be?
We hark back to Amesbury 11 and its proximity to Great Henge. The distance between the two is equivalent to the diameter of Stonehenge's Ditch.
The diameter of the Barrow's crown is equivalent to that of the Stone Circle, defined by the pre-existing Station Stones.
It then occurred that the angle of instance between the two was identical to the East-run of the Avenue.
So, within the paradigm of the above concept, the Barrow's shape, size, proximity, & angle from the center of the Big Monument tend to indicate that it was placed there as a representation of the Sun at Sunrise on the Winter Solstice.
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Neil , maybe I'm missing something but the SH Avenue doesn't point to the winter solstcie sunrise , although the orientation of the E-W section is similar to centre of SH to centre of Amesbury 11 .
George
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| Posted 10-01-2013 at 16:56
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It's exactly the same arrangement as on page 48 Neil. I thought you had spotted it.
Got my first negative review today. Must have riled someone. It's a "Tom Flowers" type of review with the exception that they didn't actually go to the bother of reading it before wading in to say that everything in the book is wrong.
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On 2013-01-09 14:22, sem wrote:
I've been trying to find out more about 11/1/13 walk for the last 3 days! I was trying to find out whether you can just turn up on the day as my trip would involve 5 hours driving, bridge tolls etc and I was not prepared to pay in advance for a walk that might involved getting soaked - I can do that in South Wales for free. However, numerous calls have only put me through to a voice-message and leaving my tel no has not resulted in a return call.
Looks like I won't be going.
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Suprise, suprise! I finally got an answer at 1.45pm GMT today - only to be told that the walk had been cancelled due to "a lack of interest."
On who's part they declined to say!
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| Posted 11-01-2013 at 14:29
Sem - that's a disappointment, as it sounds as though it would have been very interesting and fun. Were I there I would have gone.
George,
Once again you steal my thunder ...
Once again you're right and I am not.
In re-checking, it seems I was using a poorly articulated reference for the claim of alignment.
In reviewing an actual Ephemeris it seems that the Solstice Sunrise occurs quite a bit more southerly.
I will stand by my remarks concerning the Barrow's proximity to the Henge and the curiously parallel lines, among others, but obviously the Solstice alignment is off the table.
Neil
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| Posted 16-01-2013 at 17:37
Just a reminder about the second walk - but please check as the first one was cancelled.
Could you take your Stonehenge discussions into another thread now please!
Winter archaeology walk
Saturday, 19 January 2013 2pm - 4:30 pm Adult £5, Child £0 (under 16)
Explore the wider Stonehenge World Heritage Site with a guide and discover hidden histories, ancient mysteries and winter wildlife.
Enjoy a winter afternoon walk up on the downs learning about the ancient archaeology of the Stonehenge World Heritage Site and the area's varied wildlife. On this three mile walk with views of the stone circle, we'll visit ancient earthworks that have revealed much about the people who once lived and celebrated here. Talking points include the Cursus, the many and varied barrows, and an ancient avenue connecting ceremonial centres.
More Information: Lucy Evershed, 01980 664780, stonehenge@nationaltrust.org.uk
http://www.nationaltrust.org.uk/stonehenge-landscape/
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