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|  Posted 11-12-2012 at 02:26
I often see a bunch of Crows within 100 yards or so of some standing stones, is this a phenomena noticed by other members or just the favourite spot for the Crow population locally?
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| Posted 11-12-2012 at 19:27
They are the "guardians of the stones". 
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| Posted 12-12-2012 at 10:51
i would hazard a guess that crows, being common, being a perching bird, (unlike swift, always flying, or dunnock, a ground feeder), being large and being an all year round resident, are just easily seen. their feeding habits are gegarious and so they are found in pretty much all locations... or they could be magical! ; )
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| Posted 12-12-2012 at 21:53
Crows and Ravens figure in stories of witchcraft, black magic and pagan ritualism etc.
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| Posted 12-12-2012 at 23:16
I'll go with corvids in general being more easily seen and heard then smaller avians. Once at Castlerigg, on a white, crisp and very frosty morning near Yule, I heard the most strange sound, definitely not one I'd associate with a bird. On looking up, there was a group of ravens flying overhead, their wingbeats were silent but that call was one of the most eerie things I've ever heard. .
For some specific Raven lore try the symbolism of Huggin and Munnin or for a hooded crow, The Morrigan.
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| Posted 15-12-2012 at 07:02
Not crows but......
French researcher Louis Charpentier spent sometime investigating why snakes could be found around megalith sites and mentions Telluric forces.
The French name Wouivres (Wyvern) is both the name for a type of Dragon and the Telluric force.
One guards the entrance to the City of London at Temple Bar
The usual spelling wyvern (older wivern too) is not attested before the 17th century as 'winged two-footed dragon'. It is an alteration of Middle English wyvere, wyver (13th century), loanword of Old French wivre (French guivre and vouivre), itself from Latin vipera 'viper', 'adder', 'asp', altered in Proto-French to *wipera by Germanic influence (see Old High German wipera).
The famous (or infamous) Dagobert II was murdered (King sacrifice?) in the Foret des Wouivres during the winter solstice.
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| Posted 16-12-2012 at 06:04
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On 2012-12-12 23:16, Runemage wrote:
I'll go with corvids in general being more easily seen and heard then smaller avians. Once at Castlerigg, on a white, crisp and very frosty morning near Yule, I heard the most strange sound, definitely not one I'd associate with a bird. On looking up, there was a group of ravens flying overhead, their wingbeats were silent but that call was one of the most eerie things I've ever heard. .
For some specific Raven lore try the symbolism of Huggin and Munnin or for a hooded crow, The Morrigan.
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Thanks Rune I had not previously noticed the similarity between "Hugin" and the Channel Island/Norman Hougue/Hague (mound) and Norse Haugr (Ogre?). Audain (Odin) is a still used exclamation in Guernesiais today, Le Dain is oft likened to the demon but I'm sure is Odin. There is an old phrase in Guernesiais which refering to the Christian God translates as "the good God" however implicit in that statement is that there is another who is not quite so "good".
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| Posted 17-12-2012 at 01:05
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On 2012-12-15 07:02, roscoe_the_first wrote:
Not crows but......
French researcher Louis Charpentier spent sometime investigating why snakes could be found around megalith sites and mentions Telluric forces.
The French name Wouivres (Wyvern) is both the name for a type of Dragon and the Telluric force.
One guards the entrance to the City of London at Temple Bar
The usual spelling wyvern (older wivern too) is not attested before the 17th century as 'winged two-footed dragon'. It is an alteration of Middle English wyvere, wyver (13th century), loanword of Old French wivre (French guivre and vouivre), itself from Latin vipera 'viper', 'adder', 'asp', altered in Proto-French to *wipera by Germanic influence (see Old High German wipera).
The famous (or infamous) Dagobert II was murdered (King sacrifice?) in the Foret des Wouivres during the winter solstice.
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Roscoe the 1,
Telluric forces, looks like you opened up the dowser debate again, my contribution today is telluric forces flow North at night and South daytime therefore if Odin(Woden) of Wednesday is Mercredi (Mercury) and he releases Hugin in the pre dawn as a Telluric force to travel north three hours and then south three hours before returning does that account with the statement that Odin releases his Ravens at Dawn and they return at lunchtime?
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|  Posted 18-12-2012 at 08:19
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On 2012-12-17 01:05, rogeralbin wrote:
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On 2012-12-15 07:02, roscoe_the_first wrote:
Not crows but......
French researcher Louis Charpentier spent sometime investigating why snakes could be found around megalith sites and mentions Telluric forces.
The French name Wouivres (Wyvern) is both the name for a type of Dragon and the Telluric force.
One guards the entrance to the City of London at Temple Bar
The usual spelling wyvern (older wivern too) is not attested before the 17th century as 'winged two-footed dragon'. It is an alteration of Middle English wyvere, wyver (13th century), loanword of Old French wivre (French guivre and vouivre), itself from Latin vipera 'viper', 'adder', 'asp', altered in Proto-French to *wipera by Germanic influence (see Old High German wipera).
The famous (or infamous) Dagobert II was murdered (King sacrifice?) in the Foret des Wouivres during the winter solstice.
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Roscoe the 1,
Telluric forces, looks like you opened up the dowser debate again, my contribution today is telluric forces flow North at night and South daytime therefore if Odin(Woden) of Wednesday is Mercredi (Mercury) and he releases Hugin in the pre dawn as a Telluric force to travel north three hours and then south three hours before returning does that account with the statement that Odin releases his Ravens at Dawn and they return at lunchtime?
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Ah! another brave one who dares to wander outside the safe envelope.
Yes I too didn't let my schooling interfere with my education.
Telluric Forces are real and the movement of several billion tons of charged matter close to the surface is bound effect an electro-chemical entity.
i.e. US
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| Posted 18-12-2012 at 14:19
where do they come from, how are these telluric forces generated?
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| Posted 19-12-2012 at 18:20
Dean,
Natural current trying to maintain eqilibrium between regions of differing charge. Wiki or Encyclopaedia Britannica online explains far better than I can.
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| Posted 19-12-2012 at 23:17
I didn't start the thread with the intention of examining Telluric currents until the mention by Roscoe. In fact after the recent spat with Croppy on here I have steered clear of the whole dowsing thing, so any comments I make here on this subject hopefully are grounded in measurable things rather than New Age speculation.
Whilst surfing on the subject of Telluric energy in Science based information I saw a couple of bits that got my attention,
the first was that after a surface obstacle whose height was given as h. the magnetic field was 90% normal up flow at 2.5h and downflow at 4h.
This prompted me to speculate if this 2.5/4 ratio was important, ie were menhirs symbioticaly paired? Now I do not have ready access to many examples the only one I could think of La Longue Pierre at 3m and Le Crocq at 2.1m (it should be noted Le Crocq has been restood) and 182cm would be ideal. Again I have not measured it but they look to be near 7.5m distant, therefore they appear to be in the ballpark both in relation to their height and separation. Can any members add observations from elsewhere?
The other was that the resistivaty of materials below the surface effected the conductuance facilitating or inhibiting flow and effecting the magnetic field in 2D, 3D or both and by extension allowing the manipulation of the magnetic field.
I also supect that may have been the concept Kev was trying to enunciate.
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| Posted 20-12-2012 at 01:25
Interesting theory Roger. It's fine to discuss alternative views here, it's part of what this particular forum is for.
Telluric current appears from the quick wiki read I've just done to be a measurable effect, i.e. detectable by instrumentation. To use similar terminology, the "currents" which dowsers detect are not at present measurable by any instruments therefore people who can't or don't want to sense or accept the possibility of its existence it consider it to be a fallacy.
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| Posted 20-12-2012 at 05:09
Briefly, why should anyone doubt that it is possible to feel electricity? I'm sure we have all had an electric shock at some time, here's a quick experiment though you need a friend. The friend lies on a switched on electric blanket ie within the electro magnetic field, stand outside the bed and reach in and gently touch their skin with one finger and hopefully detect an electrical vibration at the point of contact.
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| Posted 20-12-2012 at 09:56
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On 2012-12-20 05:09, rogeralbin wrote:
Briefly, why should anyone doubt that it is possible to feel electricity? I'm sure we have all had an electric shock at some time, here's a quick experiment though you need a friend. The friend lies on a switched on electric blanket ie within the electro magnetic field, stand outside the bed and reach in and gently touch their skin with one finger and hopefully detect an electrical vibration at the point of contact.
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Haut lieux d'Energie
How's your French?
And this is for those who would like a scientific explanation
And speaking of which I understand that strong magnets are currently being used to cure infertility in woman.
And there's a magnetic seat at Avebury.
After watching the Chronicle archive programme on Professor Thom I'm rapidly forming the opinion that Neolithic man had more intelligence than a large proportion of present day Archaeologists.
Prof Thom was an Engineer not a digger-up of ancient rubbish heaps. It amuses me to see that what the Academic Canon decrees about about Neolithic man is based entirely upon not what they left us in full view but what they threw away. Perhaps we should look into our dustbins and form an opinion of what a future Archaeologist is going to think of us.
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| Posted 20-12-2012 at 10:55
Back to animals and stones for a moment. My mate DocP, when he was being taught to dowse, said his teacher had told him that sheep often follow what the teacher termed "dowsed lines." I've always presumed that these "dowsed lines" were the paths of telluric currents.
Any visit to a standing stone in an area where sheep graze will show sheep tracks converging on the stone - or maybe they were just using the stone as a windbreak. However Angie Lake once dowsed Y Pigwn Circle (Mynydd Bach) where there is a fallen outlying stone. She also told me there should be a second outlyer (now gone) and the spot where she dowsed it was at the convergeance of a number of sheep tracks - with nothing to afford any shelter whatsoever!
It gets weirder.
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| Posted 20-12-2012 at 12:27
http://www.birdforum.net/showthread.php?t=143333
http://www.flickr.com/photos/carron/3745859446/
http://spiritofold.deviantart.com/art/Stonehenge-Jackdaws-324252253
Jackdaws nest between the lintels on Stonehenge.
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| Posted 20-12-2012 at 17:14
Indeed they do, says he at the third attempt at a link.
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/a558/a312/gallery/Stonehenge/tk_Jacklintel.jpg
Aah well, maybe I need to learn a bit more about Windows 8.
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Use the blue IMAGE button at the bottom of the message editor - Andy
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| Posted 20-12-2012 at 17:18
Sem , Maybe dowsers are dowsing sheep tracks .
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On 2012-12-20 10:55, sem wrote:
Back to animals and stones for a moment. My mate DocP, when he was being taught to dowse, said his teacher had told him that sheep often follow what the teacher termed "dowsed lines." I've always presumed that these "dowsed lines" were the paths of telluric currents.
Any visit to a standing stone in an area where sheep graze will show sheep tracks converging on the stone - or maybe they were just using the stone as a windbreak. However Angie Lake once dowsed Y Pigwn Circle (Mynydd Bach) where there is a fallen outlying stone. She also told me there should be a second outlyer (now gone) and the spot where she dowsed it was at the convergeance of a number of sheep tracks - with nothing to afford any shelter whatsoever!
It gets weirder.
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| Posted 20-12-2012 at 22:18
Yours is still the best, sem!
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