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ledgehammer
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On 2012-01-01 12:27, jonm wrote:
Hi Croedy
An EDM is an advanced form of theodolite capable of distance measurement.
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But what purpose would that serve? I guess the problem with detectable lines is that I don't see what relevance they are. I can see a benefit in revealing the past if it's possible to do so.
What's the benefit to society in discovering these lines?
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If I may intersect,
I cannot say any of the following for definite, but it is entirely possible and worth consideration, especially if they are true and therfore being a benefit.
theory:
The earth is entwined by energy lines which can be regarded as positive and negative, some may have a detremental, or positive effect on life found existing on or around the energy. This theory links with eastern beliefs, regarding chi, yin and yang e.t.c Dowsers can establish where negative/positive areas are, as water is believed to be yin or negative energy, the area above the crossing of water lines (blind springs) is negative. Dowsers can use intent and methods such as driving stakes into the ground to divert these lines away from harmful areas such as bedrooms. On the flipside Time could be spent at the positive places, "charging" the life or individual.
The medical implications could be useful, and possibly scientific although if the above is true then we know the current science we have and use is different, electricity - kenetic energy which we can measure detect and use.
I can detect energy lines via dowsing, I have also felt positive at some of these places as well as had some experiences which did not occur in my everyday situations, there may be reasons for this, but Im inclined to go with my primary observations, and research.
In reference to Kevins Link to T.T.Brown, I cannot confirm the credibility, but there does appear to be scientific merit with utilising these forces, and it is likely that we will make breakthroughs in the future such as anti-gravity and live matter transmition, currently these are not possible so there would seem to be scope for future breakthroughs. Ideas that challenge science are the potential evolution of our science itself, although logically many ideas will be nothing more than ideas.
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Tom
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On 2012-01-01 18:33, tiompan wrote:
Sounds good ,all that is needed is for somebody to record the points with a gps or two , return a few days and see if the same points are recorded . It wouldn' matter where it was it is the repeatability that key .
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On 2012-01-01 17:36, tiompan wrote:
Could you mark say , 30 points in the circumference of say Avebury have the points recorded then repeat a few days later ?
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Let's say that the lines can be proven by marking out around a point multiple lines that cross that point , and are not visible where they are marked, such as behind the stones of SH.
I think You will agree that the chances of accurately marking out such lines all around 360 degrees that will all pass through the centre point and form dead straight lines, would be difficult to achieve , if not impossible without a very precise framework to operate to?
I can do that with total ease.
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Tested Myself to a standstill with such, no problemo.
I could extend the lines across the embankments, or wherever.
The lines are fixed....full stop.
What flows about upon them crossing from line to line under attraction is different, it varies constantly, and to really confuse, they reverse, and travel in layers on top of each other, it's beyond word description.
The position of the sun and moon in particuler is what the flows respond in variation to.
it is field interactions.
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George,
when I first started to dowse I would continuosly try to proove myself wrong, I was so doubtful with the whole thing, but my fascination, the "what if" part is greater. For me dowsing was a battle for a long time.
I can verify some of what Kevin is saying, after counting the lines at such a site (the rollrights), I also dowsed the same lines, but obviously this is not proof.
Quite often when you dowse, you mark out complex patterns which when you finish, you realise that the scale of the patterns would take a huge degree of accuracy doing, and from another point off of the ground perhaps.
The issue with dowsing as a whole is that unless specifically asked for with the understanding of the target, different dowsers will find different things. This is an issue when talking about the benefits to mankind, and general usefullness. These days I tend to view dowsing as a personal tool, what I find I consider useful to me but not neccessarily to everyone.
Best wishes
Tom
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It appears to be precise Tom: The size and markings are correct, the number or grids is correct (together with the arrangement of level lines) and the central feature is correct. Have you heard of the voyager plaque? It's a bit like that because, again maybe a coincidence, but it appears to describe the most efficient configuration for the specific purpose.
I originally had three chapters on why you need to have this shape. This got cut down to a paragraph in chapter 24. This describes a utility process so the method could potentially be patented by someone who worked out why it has to look like that (though in this case there would be a low probability of success, and zero hope in the USA because they have different rules). To get around this, I either had to publish it in full or withdraw it totally: The readers didn't like that amount of technical explanation so it got deleted.
The weird thing is that there are two of these plaques. The other one is at
Clandon Barrow and, apart from looking roughly the same, contains absolutely no information or correlation.
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I think the idea seems too surreal for archaeological experts to be interested, regardless of the level of correlation. Perhaps if more confirmatory evidence comes forward, they may become interested?
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The dual circle within a circular plane surrounded by stones is possibly explained by this blog location? It relies on a lot that is now missing so I doubt it's worth the research at this stage. Only Stonehenge and one other place have exceptionally high correlations of configurations which still exist in full.
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Jon
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Thanks for the response on energy Tom
It's interesting but I guess it only becomes really interesting if there's shown to be a defined benefit to society: There's lots of ideas that might have a benefit and a lot of research money goes into speculative ideas. If a benefit can be found, the thing to do would be to provide a method of checking the correlation (as George suggests).
I'm still having difficulty seeing what the benefit would be to be honest.
Jon
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On 2012-01-02 07:40, jonm wrote:
Thanks for the response on energy Tom
It's interesting but I guess it only becomes really interesting if there's shown to be a defined benefit to society: There's lots of ideas that might have a benefit and a lot of research money goes into speculative ideas. If a benefit can be found, the thing to do would be to provide a method of checking the correlation (as George suggests).
I'm still having difficulty seeing what the benefit would be to be honest.
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Jonm,
What and how would You define a "benefit"
I suspect it would be materialistic?
With the availability of free energy high on the list?
If so, We will agree on something, but there is something else.
And that is none materialistic.
Just what is this "energy"
What composes all so called energy sources?
You with respect ,display a sun worshipping bent?
That an assumed radiation from the direction or assumed direction of the sun is better usable, which is well displayed by much of nature. but ,
What is this radiation?
Basically You are proposing that a large area of this radiation is to be compressed into a small area to raise a local temperature zone, and to utilise this for work??
is that correct?
You are also proposing that megalithic sites display a close adherance to the required local geometries to best achieve this concentration.
Is that correct?
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| Posted 02-01-2012 at 14:31
Doesn't have to be materialistic
Free energy high on the list: Yes that would be a benefit
Energy: Energy
A sun worshipping bent? No
Radiation: Radiation
Radiation can be compressed into a small area to raise a local temperature zone. This has been used on similar systems at various places across the world. eg Auroville
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No. Only Stonehenge displays those features.
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Hi Tom
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It appears to be precise Tom: The size and markings are correct, the number or grids is correct (together with the arrangement of level lines) and the central feature is correct. Have you heard of the voyager plaque? It's a bit like that because, again maybe a coincidence, but it appears to describe the most efficient configuration for the specific purpose.
I originally had three chapters on why you need to have this shape. This got cut down to a paragraph in chapter 24. This describes a utility process so the method could potentially be patented by someone who worked out why it has to look like that (though in this case there would be a low probability of success, and zero hope in the USA because they have different rules). To get around this, I either had to publish it in full or withdraw it totally: The readers didn't like that amount of technical explanation so it got deleted.
The weird thing is that there are two of these plaques. The other one is at
Clandon Barrow and, apart from looking roughly the same, contains absolutely no information or correlation.
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| Have you had a response from the experts in the fields yet, it will be interesting to read the objections/ counter info in full. |
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I think the idea seems too surreal for archaeological experts to be interested, regardless of the level of correlation. Perhaps if more confirmatory evidence comes forward, they may become interested?
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| Having said this, is there an explanation for the dual circle at avebury with your theory, can you think of a reason why two were built? |
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The dual circle within a circular plane surrounded by stones is possibly explained by this blog location? It relies on a lot that is now missing so I doubt it's worth the research at this stage. Only Stonehenge and one other place have exceptionally high correlations of configurations which still exist in full.
Cheers
Jon
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Jon,
Interesting, and apologies: I dont often follow all of the posts on here, and a great idea with the blog, saves you having to explain it!
I would have thought you have a good case, with the coincidences, but I guess the more work you do the more succesfull the probabilities, as the coincidences will build.
Have you looked at castlerigg yet? 
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Tom
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Thanks for the response on energy Tom
It's interesting but I guess it only becomes really interesting if there's shown to be a defined benefit to society: There's lots of ideas that might have a benefit and a lot of research money goes into speculative ideas. If a benefit can be found, the thing to do would be to provide a method of checking the correlation (as George suggests).
I'm still having difficulty seeing what the benefit would be to be honest.
Jon
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Jon,
My post just deleted itself, so I will re-write in brief!!
Medically there would be many benefits, helping people with anger and depression, in the case of geopathic stress and cancer, lives would be saved, and also if you had a place you could sit and it made you feel good and healthy would you not use it?
In terms of our evolution,
If the substance at these flows is a form of energy then countless benefits could be found, it would open up so many lines of investigation. It is perfectly feesable theoretically to me that there is bands of energy which exist at a frequency our instruments can not yet detect.
A few ideas would be using the flows for communication, possible matter transmition including organisms. Heating, and temperature control. Use in engineering, to help move materials e.t.c
Of course these are ideas from my optimistic brain. I once had an ideal that all energy could be renewable one day... it remains difficult to see that occurring 
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Tom
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Ledgehammer,
You do know there is more than one cove at Avebury, don't You?
With long barrows nearby.
You don't suppose that the upgraded flows were directed into the barrows, do You?
And the different alignments were used relative to where the solar system was positioned , as such?
No, these were stone age times, when men were men and dragged the women about by their hair.
It couldn't be possible, could it?, that there were rather advanced people about also though?
http://www.avebury-web.co.uk/longstones.html
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Ledgehammer,
You do know there is more than one cove at Avebury, don't You?
With long barrows nearby.
You don't suppose that the upgraded flows were directed into the barrows, do You?
And the different alignments were used relative to where the solar system was positioned , as such?
No, these were stone age times, when men were men and dragged the women about by their hair.
It couldn't be possible, could it?, that there were rather advanced people about also though?
http://www.avebury-web.co.uk/longstones.html
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aye! The interest was in the other cove due to its depth. Stukelys drawing showed there to be two avenues, at the end of one the sanctuary, then the other the beckhampton cove which incidently on my first visit to Avebury we came across, while using A.Trusloe as parking.
I still maintain for me the energy lines / flows were relevant with the layout of avebury, I am still not convinced that the stones were built to a geometry, I think it far more likely that the flows came later, accidently or as a direct consequence, like accupuncture for the earth (I got the feeling early on that the rocks being driven into the earth was a little like like teeth in gums). I cannot say for certain Avebury was built specifically for this purpose, although it seems possible, maybe even likely.
There may well be a happy medium with elements of this theory and others, its just that today we tend to operate in a more defined parameter, a duality between spirituality and science. In ancient times it is conceivable that these operated in conjunction, i.e using the sun and energy to create something useful, but perhaps seeing it as a gift from the heavens or the earth.
In line with your theory, can you apply a reason for the sanctuary, I think we've covered most of the others previously, for me the sanctuary is still an enigma, well at least as far as avebury is concerned.
I still think it interesting to see it as a procession, Was it the start to the site, would they enter through the sanctuary, in a similar fashion to the energy lines, following the energy lines into the center, then out through beckhampton, was part of the purpose to show respect to that which we do not see now, interacting with it.
Best wishes
Tom
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Indeed, if the case is not presented, the coincidental similarities can come back to bite at a later date. On the other hand, it would also be nice to have some expert interest in the case for the theory that the idea may have already been done. Either way, it's worth expanding the detail; the blog seems good for this.
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Don't even know what or where castlerigg is!
Happy new year!
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Ledgehammer,
Having walked along these so called AVENUES, at Avebury and the larger similer at Carnac in Brittany, and with an open mind .
I was more struck by how the stones are sited on the alignments at ninety degrees to the ASSUMED avenues tracks.
What is detectable is that the stones are positioned upon the flows that travel across the avenues , and act as deflectors to upgrade the flows along the avenues, and I found that at both Avebury and carnac.
Carnac also has similer cove structures and circuler endings, with barrows sited to recieve the highly upgraded flows.
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Don't even know what or where castlerigg is!
Our search box can provide the answer to many questions,
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=42
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Indeed, if the case is not presented, the coincidental similarities can come back to bite at a later date. On the other hand, it would also be nice to have some expert interest in the case for the theory that the idea may have already been done. Either way, it's worth expanding the detail; the blog seems good for this.
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Don't even know what or where castlerigg is!
Happy new year!
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Jon,
I think Rune has kindly posted a link to the site, it is an enigmatic stone circle in the lake district, with amazing views, and aligned to several mountains (I say aligned as in line sight, no other meaning)
The shape of the circle is odd, it is a flattened circle.
There is also a rectangular shaped enclosure, possibly similar to that at avebury (there is just a line of stone now I believe)
Sightlines and astronomical alignments have been discussed, the circle is on a ley line which passes through Mt helvellyn and mt skiddaw, it depends on your beliefs how you take this but the location itself seems important.
On a stranger note white light-balls have been observed at the site, hovering above the stones.
The reason I mention Castlerigg is to help you with your theory, if you can find tangible coincidences at avebury, stonehenge and castlerigg that correspond then this will boost the profile, the reason I say this is each megalithic site is slightly different, and this could help to establish a possibility for the differences.
Same to you
Tom
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Ledgehammer,
Having walked along these so called AVENUES, at Avebury and the larger similer at Carnac in Brittany, and with an open mind .
I was more struck by how the stones are sited on the alignments at ninety degrees to the ASSUMED avenues tracks.
What is detectable is that the stones are positioned upon the flows that travel across the avenues , and act as deflectors to upgrade the flows along the avenues, and I found that at both Avebury and carnac.
Carnac also has similer cove structures and circuler endings, with barrows sited to recieve the highly upgraded flows.
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Kevin,
Interesting, Sig mentioned this about avebury, and that there are ley lines projecting from the avenue crossways (not sure on the measurements, remember the avenue curves)
best wishes
Tom
p.s I can sense an avebury field trip coming....
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Ledgehammer,
The curves are natural and are a consequence of the flows ALWAYS acting under attraction to the pathway of least resistance.
The lines are dead straight, but they are in all directions, thus as one line meets another at say one degree in different alignment, the flows on both lines will combine to follow the one exhibiting least resistance.
This is the fundemental difference between watkins straight alignments, and the flows often called dragons or serpents.
The annoying thing is how they are often referred to as the same, with this all encompassing word...leylines.
Churchs called All saints are often where multiple alignments meet and the individua flows are enticed to follow the main aisle alignment.
In France in particuler I have found several churchs with multiple aisles all at different alignments, the addition of extra aisles is to upgrade the origonal aisle flow which has possibly dwindled as the input from the heavens has changed as they churn away.
It's why imho You find over many centuries buildings demolished and a fractionally different alignment used for the new building, none of this is secret, just kept secret by a few, who normally keep stum.They have their belief system controlling them, I have no such, no oath of secrecy or any such garbage.
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Thanks Tom
I was working in that area a few years back: If you look at 54.63,-3.5 (google maps satellite), you'll see a strange modern set of large man made megaliths that I was involved with. If our civilisation collapses, I wonder what future generations will think of the alignments of this?
Would have said that castlerigg doesn't fit the criteria given the natural ampitheatre, but doing a google look from the ground, it does appear to be in a very good location. Odd thing is that this arrangement seems, at least initially, to correspond to the better of the two ways of doing it (Avebury's method isn't the best in my opinion).
However, to make it work, there would have to be a few more man- made features or stones in the nearby vininity; It's mentioned on the wiki that there is a stone 90m to the south west (that's all it says). Do you know offhand know how to locate this stone or if it is at a bearing of either S 59.4 W or S 30.6 W relative to the centre of castlerigg?
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However, to make it work, there would have to be a few more man- made features or stones in the nearby vininity; It's mentioned on the wiki that there is a stone 90m to the south west (that's all it says). Do you know offhand know how to locate this stone or if it is at a bearing of either S 59.4 W or S 30.6 W relative to the centre of castlerigg?
Have you looked on our sitepage? It's a bit disheartening to say the least when posters reference wiki as a source considering the effort and precision that goes into providing ours.
What about this one?
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=a312&file=index&do=showpic&pid=28111
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Thanks for that Rune. I don't use the site much because it's difficult to orientate myself with all the information available.
I think I've located the stone. From what I can see, there's no immediate reason to think that castlerigg is associated in the same way as, for instance, Stonehenge might be to Avebury.
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Thanks Tom
I was working in that area a few years back: If you look at 54.63,-3.5 (google maps satellite), you'll see a strange modern set of large man made megaliths that I was involved with. If our civilisation collapses, I wonder what future generations will think of the alignments of this?
Would have said that castlerigg doesn't fit the criteria given the natural ampitheatre, but doing a google look from the ground, it does appear to be in a very good location. Odd thing is that this arrangement seems, at least initially, to correspond to the better of the two ways of doing it (Avebury's method isn't the best in my opinion).
However, to make it work, there would have to be a few more man- made features or stones in the nearby vininity; It's mentioned on the wiki that there is a stone 90m to the south west (that's all it says). Do you know offhand know how to locate this stone or if it is at a bearing of either S 59.4 W or S 30.6 W relative to the centre of castlerigg?
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Jon,
I was at avebury today, I did do a spot of dowsing, going by my results (unconfirmed of course) the missing stone from the cove is about 3 x 1.2 paces approx, which would make the base in between the other two stones in terms of size. It was positioned where you would expect in relation to the other two stones (I did not measure, happened there by chance)
I will upload the photos I took, but the female stone has a lot of textured lines on it, but on one of the photos both stones seem to slant to a similar angle.
I will be there again this or next month, If there is anything specific you need to know then let me know, i.e. a particular photo e.t.c
Castlerigg:
Strange, due to the similarities yet differences of stone circles I would expect a unified purpose of some description. Was this a failed attempt, or something different?
A long shot but Have you accounted for the landscape itself being used as features?
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Tom
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