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ledgehammer

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| Posted 22-12-2011 at 18:12  
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On 2011-12-22 17:25, cropredy wrote:
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On 2011-12-22 16:36, jonm wrote:
Many thanks Tom,
that's dead useful. Looked at it again; it's the smaller one (the male one) that is dead centre of the circle by the look of it?
Looked at it on google (should have gone there when visiting my uncle) and, viewed from the West (see image), the top surface of the 'male' stone appears to point North and up to the pole star:
Is that just an optical illusion or does it really do that?
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The circles are sited upon vortex points of implosion and emmitance.
The angles of the sheets of geometry that are detectable vary , but I would suspect that the stone is indeed cut( as are multiple stones) to FIT onto the geometry.
Paul demonstrates the consequences with His photography of ORBS.
The pyramids with their angles demonstate how they were FITTED to the geometry at that location, it is fixed geometry but the transfer about in universe that travels along the sheets is variable relative to resistances across the sheets.
The whole of universe is a continuum of transfer that is orchestra like, I am humbled to be able to follow it easily.
I can only report as I detect, and wish I was doing it full time as I am convinced those involved with building the sites were.
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Kevin,
you should get investment and build one! What do you think the modern applications of re-discovering this could be?
Dragons Den? Being dragons they may sympathise
Tom
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jonm

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| Posted 22-12-2011 at 18:36  
Thanks Tom, Kevin
I must take a look sometime. I imagine if it really was sloped to point North and at an angle of 51 degrees, it would have been noted as a feature of the place in the likes of Wikipedia? So much work on at the moment I don't get much time unfortunately.
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cropredy

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| Posted 22-12-2011 at 21:05  
It's all by field.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxoaAHlC37I&feature=related
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Runemage

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| Posted 22-12-2011 at 22:15  
I imagine if it really was sloped to point North and at an angle of 51 degrees, it would have been noted as a feature of the place in the likes of Wikipedia?
pfft! Not a hope in wiki where different ideas are edited out immediately. Best you can aim for with those types of observations after here of course, is alternative archaeology sites.
Lots of stones at sites all over the country have angled tops, don't know if anyone's done any study of their angles and orientation but if so it could be interesting.
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| Posted 23-12-2011 at 10:17  
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On 2011-12-21 17:23, cropredy wrote:
Thats what drives Me on, otherwise You would see the end of me here.
IMHO,
All of creation is composed of the duality of spin that is detectable both as spin and as flowing in seperate meandering river like pathways.
The flows also layer on top of each other and travel in exactly the opposite directions.
the flows widths are detectable, and vary continually, both in width and directions.
Without doubt the variations are caused by solar planets and moons , as they trundle about in whatever way they do.
You are composed of this duality most often depicted as serpents, as is every atom, as is each planet and star.
It is a self similer system that transfers about( look up Birkeland currents)
It is My personal comprehension that our none physical selves are eternal, and enter and exit into life and occupy the physical .
I also consider that our ancestors knew all of this intimately, and certain groups of them knew how to utilise this knowledge to locally reincarnate back to their tribe.
I am also really understanding and operating with these flows in a human to human capacity, which is a subject on it's own, but the personal duality field is definately upliftable , and We are fully self repairing beings....IF We have sufficient capacity of the duality of flows, most people are sadly almost totally discharged.
I would ask for tolerance in all of this as I am somewhat flying by the seat of My pants alone.
If I have offended You in the past it was not mean't other than retaliation and I most sincerely apologise.
I am desperately trying not to offend anymore, and it is upto Me to learn how to best cope with understandable sceptism.
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So the flows can be used to reincarnate dead people? All the thousands of monuments all over the world were built to bring dead people back to life? Prehistoric people reconstitute bone, tissue, blood etc of dead individuals by digging a circular ditch and (sometimes) putting some stones inside?
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Runemage

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| Posted 23-12-2011 at 10:47  
I think you may have misunderstood, Karloff.
The mounds/ reincarnation theory says that the ancient places were used in ritual to attract the "spirit" of the deceased to return to their local area, a bit like the Tibetans believe the Dalai Lama is the same spirit reincarnated time and time again - although they do go and search for him whereas the mounds and reincarnation theory is much more area-specific.
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| Posted 23-12-2011 at 12:11  
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On 2011-12-23 10:47, Runemage wrote:
I think you may have misunderstood, Karloff.
The mounds/ reincarnation theory says that the ancient places were used in ritual to attract the "spirit" of the deceased to return to their local area, a bit like the Tibetans believe the Dalai Lama is the same spirit reincarnated time and time again - although they do go and search for him whereas the mounds and reincarnation theory is much more area-specific.
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Sorry, to disagree but that's not what Cropredy said, he was very specific:
"I also consider that our ancestors knew all of this intimately, and certain groups of them knew how to utilise this knowledge to locally reincarnate back to their tribe."
That statement says that certain dead people could reincarnate themselves "back".
It seems to me that cropredy isn't saying anything like you are suggesting. He seems to be saying that ancient people used the underlying physics of the universe to change states from non-corporeal to physical. To achieve this they had to build stone circles and/or other monuments whilst corporeal.
Is this what your saying Cropredy, or have I misunderstood?
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| Posted 23-12-2011 at 18:31  
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On 2011-12-23 10:47, Runemage wrote:
I think you may have misunderstood, Karloff.
The mounds/ reincarnation theory says that the ancient places were used in ritual to attract the "spirit" of the deceased to return to their local area, a bit like the Tibetans believe the Dalai Lama is the same spirit reincarnated time and time again - although they do go and search for him whereas the mounds and reincarnation theory is much more area-specific.
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Spot on Rune.
And it is the reversing of the flows that is central, and with the moon this ties in perfectly to the womans menstrul cycle.
Thus goods left were for the reincarnated, what such as Karloff now finds is the consequences of when this knowledge was forgotten, as is the remnants at the pyramids.
Previous to this I am sure that a persons goods were handed over to the family where the reincarnated had entered into the newly concieved baby.
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| Posted 24-12-2011 at 03:16  
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On 2011-12-22 16:36, jonm wrote:
the top surface of the 'male' stone appears to point North and up to the pole star:
Is that just an optical illusion or does it really do that?
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I think you may have something there I looked at 2 today but will need to check it out on a clear night.
The 2 I looked at had the 51 ish degree angle but also a flatter top like the stone in the foreground is that significant?
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| Posted 24-12-2011 at 07:43  
Hi Roger
Where are the two stones you're looking at?
The 51 degree line on top or part of a stone's configuration, if it points North might be significant, particularly if the stone being looked at is at the centre of any arrangement (particularly of circle).
If a stone points North and up by an angle which equals the local latitude, it then shows where the pole star is located. So at Avebury's latitude, a stone would point up by 51 degrees but in Orkney it would point up by about 60 degrees.
The thing I like about Avebury's 'cove' is that, looking at it on google, it also seems to fit into the arrangement really neatly; particularly the central stone and the top (flattish) surface of the 'female stone'. Haven't been there yet so might all be camera distortion.
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| Posted 24-12-2011 at 08:31  
Here's another google shot from the other way:
If you stand at the position marked, it looks as if you would see the heavens rotate by looking along the line of the stone? Anyone been there to know if it does line up?
Jon
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| Posted 24-12-2011 at 10:21  
Jon
They were La Longue Pierre and La Longue Rocque Guernsey both are pictured in their entries unfortunately both sites are incomplete.
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| Posted 24-12-2011 at 17:25  
Thanks Roger
I's love to know if the Avebury stone appearing to point to the pole star is real. There's a whole set of coincidences relating to another place that would do the same thing in a completely different way: Might make a worthwhile new thread if it is real?
Jon
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| Posted 29-12-2011 at 02:50  
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On 2011-12-22 16:36, jonm wrote:
Looked at it again; it's the smaller one (the male one) that is dead centre of the circle by the look of it?
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I dont know pf I expressed myself clearly previous post if you look at La Longue Rocque in the archive from the East the northern face is vertical, the immediate top appears to be the angle of the top of the female stone then from that to the southern side is the 49 degree slope.
It appears to have the angles of BOTH stones what does the female one look at?
I was up there earlier but there was some cloud and its only 100 yards from the Atlantic with a gale blowing so I did not hang about but its definatly in the direction of Polaris but I am still not sure it is exact.
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| Posted 29-12-2011 at 09:48  
If at all possible You could stop been hooked totally to visual, then You may begin to see.
http://www.pureenergysystems.com/academy/papers/Y-Bias_and_Angularity/
The implosion and emmitance field vectors are what creation and annihilation operate to in a continuum, and as this creates spheres or spheroids , it is important where You are sited on such that determines the net result between implosion and emmitance vectors.
Location, location, location.
There is an inflow versus an outflow, and the local consequence is termed as gravity and light and heat.
The sun is very much involved in this relative to Earth because the Earth is within the field interaction of implosion versus emmitance of the sun, thus as this planets own such dual field interacts with the suns the consequences alter that We term day and night...light and dark...cold and heat.
We are limited by the indoctrination that We all have been sujected to, and that indoctrination is a belief system where You believe what You have been told, then You repeat such.
Our dominant senses then become attuned to this thinking, but it's just belief.
There is no speed of light...C, it is a false belief....light does not travel, it sure appears to do so, but it actually occurs where field vectors meet and cause light in the stress zone created, there is resistance created between the field flows, and the field flows are superluminal.
Those flows permeate all, but all in creation is created by compressed and compacted local fields that create every atom, thus different combinations of such collection cause different local interactions with the all permeating field flows, and that varies relative to the variable different field flows that are themselves subject to constant variations of scalar proportions caused by our local solar systems churning .
All of this is displayed by the megalithic constructions if You drop the burden of modern indoctrination, and contemplate the megaliths from how universe is operating overall, and not merely how the tiny slither of the surface of this planet veils us from this.
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| Posted 29-12-2011 at 09:58  
Thanks Roger, I think I'm with it
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The female one doesn't look at anything! It's required as a part of an early system.
There's somewhere else where this same system is done in a huge amount of detail (but it would take bloody ages to draw up the graphics to explain why and how it works). The 'female' stone at Avebury appears to be aligned, sized and placed to be a very rudimentary copy of that system.
It may just be a coincidence that the female stone seems to be in the right place: To be a confirmatory copy, there would have been a second female stone to the North West of the centre stone and with similar special features. I understand that there was a second stone to the North West of centre, but it's not there now so there's not much in the way of confirmation.
Another, possibly more interesting place is taking my time up at the moment: I have to go and check using a theodolite before I post up the details as it looks too good to be true. More to follow!
Jon
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| Posted 29-12-2011 at 20:33  
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On 2011-12-29 09:58, jonm wrote:
Thanks Roger, I think I'm with it
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Hi Roger
The female one doesn't look at anything! It's required as a part of an early system.
There's somewhere else where this same system is done in a huge amount of detail (but it would take bloody ages to draw up the graphics to explain why and how it works). The 'female' stone at Avebury appears to be aligned, sized and placed to be a very rudimentary copy of that system.
It may just be a coincidence that the female stone seems to be in the right place: To be a confirmatory copy, there would have been a second female stone to the North West of the centre stone and with similar special features. I understand that there was a second stone to the North West of centre, but it's not there now so there's not much in the way of confirmation.
Another, possibly more interesting place is taking my time up at the moment: I have to go and check using a theodolite before I post up the details as it looks too good to be true. More to follow!
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Jon,
can you summarise your theory in reference to Avebury? Well at least as far as the cove is concerned? How does this theory relate to other sections of Avebury. Do you think there could be a real possibility of the site being an observation/ learning center for aspects of the heavens.
The male and female stones occur along the avenue, is this relative and does the sun and moon theory fit in with this theory or is this a nobrainer in your opinion.
This is Stukleys image:
The theory relates sun and moon / duality in the context of worship, although the worship part is perhaps a primative observation, is this theory transferable to any of the observations. Had it not been for the shape of the stones and the dowsing observations, I would probably discount this theory as far as symbolic representation, not necessarily worship.
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Not sure if this is relevant.
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| Posted 30-12-2011 at 10:44  
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Hi Tom.
To be honest I haven't even been to Avebury as yet: Many of the stones appear to have been removed so it'll be difficult to find confirmatory evidence.
Because measurement couldn't have been accurate back then, there might have been several theories about the nature of the heavenly movement: The methodology that the cove resembles is just a way of proving which of those theories is correct (particularly the Sun). It's a 'mind experiment', but to our eyes would just prove something that is blindingly obvious. Describing why would need the competing theories to be compiled and I'd need to show how to prove one or the other using accumulations of marginal changes: You only bother to come up with indirect methods of marginal measurement if your equipment isn't good enough to measure what you want to see by direct means (which is why the idea is not really an observatory as we would understand it)
But the cove would have had to be the first stage: A sort of 'are they right? let's try it out using a few stones'. Then the next stage (of building a circle round it) would work slightly better. All of this is the stuff of observation and none of it is as good as the original (another set of coincidences somewhere else).
Then the rest of Avebury seems to resemble less of an observatory and more of a place to store knowledge and perhaps do other stuff (I have no idea what).
A huge level area of slightly elevated cleared ground with strategically located sights to the horizon is the next logical step: None of Avebury resembles this (edit though the main area perhaps would have been good enough for an initial go at it). If the ground isn't available or you don't have the resources, one or two straight lines of ground would do if they're at just the right angle. A 'cursus' or two, with lines surrounding the area is a bit over the top but would serve to mark out what was being done: This would also seriously out-do the 'original' version and give much better results (a neolithic 'space race'?)
This is why I'm interested in the angle of the greater cursus. Both of these two cursi appear to have the correct general angles for the 'enhanced' experiment. If the pits of the greater cursus prove to be at an angle of about 5.25 degrees anti-clockwise from East (I should work out the exact angle sometime but it won't be more than +/-0.2 degrees from 5.25), this particular angle fits exceptionally well with the number methods associated with the rest of the coincidences at Stonehenge.
That all followed by, 'let's out-do everyone else in the World by building a stone hinge of the heavens using the new technology (tin).'
I have no idea if the above sequence of construction matches what was done. Unless someone knows offhand what the sequence was, it would take a lot of work to find out if it does?
The trouble is that there are so many coincidence sets associated with this that it's difficult to tell the wood from the trees (and work out what time to spend on what). I think that Stonehenge is probably the key because it has so many special, unusual and unique features, so I'm thinking of 'back-burning' all the other monument coincidences and concentrate on expanding the rest of the coincidences associated with Stonehenge?
For example, look at page 166, then take a look at this assembly of items. There wasn't space to do everything and some of the readers thought that the technical stuff was a bit boring, so I stripped it out to leave just references to just the bare bones of the other coincidences (I think I cited about 28 from memory whereas there are actually about 40 or so).
PS there might be something really interesting, another (new) confirmatory coincidence, coming up soon. This is extra over the additional coincidence mentioned by Neil (Feanor) on Stone 53.
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| Posted 30-12-2011 at 19:32  
Ledgehammer,
Do You agree with Jonm's ASSUMPTION that accurate measure couldn't have been available back then????
He's a theodilite type, reckon I could better a theodolite?
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| Posted 30-12-2011 at 21:07  
Jonm and Ledgehammer
The angle of stones pointing to a Pole Star has been suggested many times. Cerrig has suggested Maen Llia fits the bill and DocP reckons Maen Mawr (Cerrig Duon) has a similar line up. The only thing is I can't find a "Pole Star" that fits the bill.
I'm only using Starry Night Backyard (now for-free but cost me fourty quid) and take an occasional look in case I missed something, but can't see a candidiate.
Any suggestions as to which star this was (ie due North and moved very little for a few hundred years)?
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