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tiompan
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On 2011-07-28 17:38, cerrig wrote:
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On 2011-07-28 11:53, chimera wrote:
At 15 minutes before or after the sun, Venus would just be in the light box simultaneously with the sun of 14 minutes duration. Father and son together.
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This is an effect I have been pondering for a while, with little success. The passages of mounds like Newgrange seem to be deliberately sized to be as small as possible for human traffic, with no specific practical reason. It's as if the restriction has been made to exclude as much light as possible, including reflections from the passages. This would suggest to me that a specific amount of light was the desired outcome, a bit like a camera aperture. Using , perhaps some sort of camera obscura device , or something like David's photo of Venus transitting the sun, it may be possible to view objects that rise close to the sun.
In the book " Before the Pyramids", ( p 70 ) it is stated that Sirius rose in the same spot as the winter solstice sun, but before it, in 3500 BC. This would seem to be a more likely target than Venus for that time, although this alignment wouldn't have lasted for long, due to precession.
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Blocking stones make human traffic even more difficult .
Maybe there is an alternative to the observer in the passage idea and just as cists have cap and side stones with the rock art facing the dead ,maybe the light , from whatever source , is not intended for the living .
Sirius rises in the evening at winter solstice 3500 bc close to spot where the sun rose in the morning , but is it any more likely than Venus to have shone into the chamber ?, which seems to be the claim .
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| Posted 28-07-2011 at 20:59
The flows of consciousness, the life creating and annihilation flows.
The flows that spiral into ourselves whilst alive, then spiral back out upon death?
These flows contain all of the knowledge of life, and they feed whatever encoded lifeform they encounter.
The most knowledgeable ones know how to manipulate these two opposites of spin to best serve themselves, to best sustain life.
If one knew this, and desired that Your departed returned to Your local tribe after a period in death, would You not strive to construct the means to achieve this local manipulatiopn of the duality of flows that combine in life?
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| Posted 28-07-2011 at 21:06
If one knew how to divert and offer resistance to these flows, wouldn't one?
http://www.tate.org.uk/servlet/ViewWork?cgroupid=999999961&workid=1141&searchid=4147&roomid=false&tabview=text&texttype=8
Click on the picture to enlarge,
You have the ability to alter , as such at your fingertips.
Kevin
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| Posted 28-07-2011 at 23:44
Presumably, if the sun at winter solstice shines into the Newgrange passage, then any light body that rose in the same place could do likewise, although much weaker. Perhaps this was the reason for the restricted passageway, a method of observing a weaker source of light than the sun. A bit like looking at the stars from the bottom of a well in daylight. It's too much light that's the problem.
The target could also have been the full moon summer solstice rise at the midpoint in it's major/minor standstill cycle. At this stage of the cycle the moon's extremes are very close to those of the sun, so it could be seen to come together with the sun in a kind of mating/marriage kind of way, if you believe our ancestors viewed things in that way. I'm not so sure they did.
There are several options for targets for this particular passageway.
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| Posted 29-07-2011 at 02:47
The Stars from well belief goes back to Aristotle and is thought to be untrue although you can see the planets and Sirius. Venus appears as a white spot and Sirius has to be seen in the light of Dawn. The three examples I found all involved looking directly up the well, chimney or mine shaft, not using the Pin Hole Camera effect to look the other way in this case the floor.
Off on a tangent did I read some years ago about sacrificial vertical shafts sunk into the chalk at sites during the passage mound time period?
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| Posted 29-07-2011 at 05:58
There may be an explanation in star passages:
[And in Key 108:11 in The Book of Knowledge: The Keys of Enoch:
During previous geomagnetic cycles the North star shaft of the Great Pyramid originally pointed towards the circumpolar star of alpha Draconis and the South star shaft pointed towards the Taurus-Orion constellations. - Orion, the Hunter with the Sword, in connection with the Pleiades (in Taurus)]
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Another suggestion is the idea of the "white cow" of white Newgrange and the chambers being a cow womb and ovaries. The passage's function might not for priests to be in the solstice light, but for something to receive solar fertilisation.
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| Posted 29-07-2011 at 07:37
It takes two to tango.
Think in a two way process, instead of been constantly blinded by the light.
I assure You all that at these precise switching times, the flow is out of the earth at those points.
That which has spiralled inwards reverses and spiralls back out.
The geometry of universe is from all directions , and the signal pathways are from all directions at once, but they switch relative to apparent positions.
Then if you can think of Your body been nothing but a temporary vehicle, or as the Egyptians called it KHA.
Where YOU, the eternal YOU occupy in a tempory fashion to experience, then the route for entering and exitting this KHA is what IMHO the megaliths were partly about facilitating locally.
A newly impregnated female will hve been located very carefully to allow the returning eternal soul to enter the new vehicle.
The Egyptians called the eternal BA.
There is the trinity of KA, and that I call ANU, the dual whorl time flows that encompass the physical to enable life, and without those flows in balance there will be no life, for anyone , or anything.
We have been fortunate to live in relatively balanced flow times, but I doubt it stays that way.
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On 2011-07-28 23:44, cerrig wrote:
Presumably, if the sun at winter solstice shines into the Newgrange passage, then any light body that rose in the same place could do likewise, although much weaker. Perhaps this was the reason for the restricted passageway, a method of observing a weaker source of light than the sun. A bit like looking at the stars from the bottom of a well in daylight. It's too much light that's the problem.
The target could also have been the full moon summer solstice rise at the midpoint in it's major/minor standstill cycle. At this stage of the cycle the moon's extremes are very close to those of the sun, so it could be seen to come together with the sun in a kind of mating/marriage kind of way, if you believe our ancestors viewed things in that way. I'm not so sure they did.
There are several options for targets for this particular passageway.
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You can see various light bodies from the passage but that doesn't mean they will illuminate the passage and chamber , as was suggested for Venus , which is probably the only other contender apart fom the moon but it looks like it is to close to civic twilight to do so .
If there is so much conjecture about the possibilities for Newgrange where the simple solstice idea does work , what hope is there for the majority of passages that are not aligned on any Thom paradigm event ?
George
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| Posted 29-07-2011 at 09:52
The Venus alignment is about as meaningful as the fact that your satellite dish points directly at the sun twice a year.
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| Posted 29-07-2011 at 12:07
Well yes that's very similar as an intentional construct. The major close planets always had significance and Venus is unavoidable, if the sun is the target. And it's beautiful like the moon.
For us the sun powers solar panels for the sat. dish, as Venus had its own power in the ancient type of science.
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| Posted 29-07-2011 at 16:48
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If there is so much conjecture about the possibilities for Newgrange where the simple solstice idea does work , what hope is there for the majority of passages that are not aligned on any Thom paradigm event ?
Ah the Rule of Thom !
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| Posted 29-07-2011 at 19:05
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On 2011-07-29 09:52, davidmorgan wrote:
The Venus alignment is about as meaningful as the fact that your satellite dish points directly at the sun twice a year.
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And pray what do these ENERGY LINES point to????
And the FLOW through the centre???
Thames.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/jul/27/london-2012-gold-medals-launch
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| Posted 30-07-2011 at 02:40
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On 2011-07-27 21:00, davidmorgan wrote:
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Which would mean it's the "evening star" then? I.e. to the left of the sun and rose after sunrise?
I don't think the guys who built Newgrange were interested in Venus. They were having a hard enough time with the sun and the moon, plus they certainly didn't have the maths to do clever predictions.
Is there any evidence that they were even aware of the length of a year?
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It's not difficult to approximately work out the length of a year, no need for complicated maths, just count the days. It is a bit more difficult to get more accuracy than 365 and 1/4 days. This is why Venus would be important, as a way of recalibrating the calender.
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On 2011-07-29 02:47, rogeralbin wrote:
The Stars from well belief goes back to Aristotle and is thought to be untrue although you can see the planets and Sirius. Venus appears as a white spot and Sirius has to be seen in the light of Dawn. The three examples I found all involved looking directly up the well, chimney or mine shaft, not using the Pin Hole Camera effect to look the other way in this case the floor.
Off on a tangent did I read some years ago about sacrificial vertical shafts sunk into the chalk at sites during the passage mound time period?
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I would have thought that , wells and chimneys being vertical structures, only objects that pass the zenith would be visible from them. This would seem to rule out any planets viewed outside of the tropics, and Sirius too. I don't know if it is true or not, although I have seen an article on sighting on Polaris., in the daytime, as a datum for setting up a theodolite, rather than using the sun.
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On 2011-07-29 09:25, tiompan wrote
You can see various light bodies from the passage but that doesn't mean they will illuminate the passage and chamber , as was suggested for Venus , which is probably the only other contender apart fom the moon but it looks like it is to close to civic twilight to do so .
If there is so much conjecture about the possibilities for Newgrange where the simple solstice idea does work , what hope is there for the majority of passages that are not aligned on any Thom paradigm event ?
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I think the conjecture is useful in eastablishing the limits of the techniques involved and one day there may be post Thom paradigm events.
However to Beltane and Samainos, early May and November, the 12 or 13 times a centuary Mercury transits occur at these times. A passage mound aligned to display the Solar disc on the rear chamber wall at these times, using the Pin Hole Camera effect like Davids Photograph ought to display the Mercury Transit. This is not thought to have been seen until 1631.
We Know from the Roman writers that Gaulish Mercury was worshipped and is thought to be Teutates, whose day is recorded as Halloween.
My personal opinion is that the early Church Sainted him as St Martin of Tours (Nov 14) and this brings us back to the Thom paradigm event of Martinmas.
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It's not difficult to approximately work out the length of a year, no need for complicated maths, just count the days. It is a bit more difficult to get more accuracy than 365 and 1/4 days. This is why Venus would be important, as a way of recalibrating the calender. |
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Well, they weren't literate, so how numerate do you think they were? Would they have known that there are 365 days in a year? I very much doubt if they had a calendar (apart from the cycle of the seasons), they probably didn't know their own ages.
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On 2011-07-30 07:44, davidmorgan wrote:
[quote]On 2011-07-30 02:40, cerrig wrote:
It's not difficult to approximately work out the length of a year, no need for complicated maths, just count the days. It is a bit more difficult to get more accuracy than 365 and 1/4 days. This is why Venus would be important, as a way of recalibrating the calender.
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Well, they weren't literate, so how numerate do you think they were? Would they have known that there are 365 days in a year? I very much doubt if they had a calendar (apart from the cycle of the seasons), they probably didn't know their own ages.
[/quote]Apparently, and I got this from a sometimes reliable source, they used something called the "proleptic Julian calender", but I have my doubts about that. And the thing about forgetting how old you are, I know people (ladies) "today" who are like that, and they can read and write and everything 
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| Posted 30-07-2011 at 12:12
Could the ancients count an accurate year?
I know of three sources who reckon this is a go. Knight and Butler's work is published and available. The other two are not, but having had a preview, I'd say they work and are stunning in their simplicity.
Every week it seems, we run news articles stating that evidence has now been found showing that ancient peoples were more intelligent than previously thought. Maybe an outlook that they had the same intelligence level we do but lived a long time ago would give some different insights?
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| Posted 30-07-2011 at 12:50
I'd really like a more reliable source than people who "can conclude that the pyramids of the pharaohs were conceived and planned in Britain! ".
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| Posted 30-07-2011 at 13:07
365? very interesting. If they used fingers to make bundles of 10 twigs, then 10 fingers of bundles (100) in 3 lots (300) and 6 bundles +5, how do they express that? Maybe a lot of sign language. Or they named each finger so that 3rd touching 10th back to 3rd was 300.
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