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|  Posted 12-07-2011 at 08:46
If it was situated elsewhere i.e. in the open air it would get warmer some days of the year but being derived of any direct sun in the chamber it will like others remain cool .
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| Posted 12-07-2011 at 10:06
If it was situated elsewhere i.e. in the open air it would get warmer some days of the year but being derived of any direct sun in the chamber it will like others remain cool .
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The ASSUMPTION is that sunlight is adding ENERGY.
That the stone is absorbing this energy that nobody can quantify.
Our senses , and all of science will say this is the case, but instead try and consider that the heat is a consequence of the stone loosing it's stored potential.
We operate and survive, as We are ,in a very narrow band of temperature, and thus We seek this narrow band for survival and comfort.
The body whilst alive remains at a fairly stable temperature, but on death this changes, and the barrows are the portal chambers between life and death....are they not?
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| Posted 12-07-2011 at 12:45
That stone was hot to trot when the barrow was a fire temple and priests were rapping. Now it's just air-con. cold stone sending waves of cold geometry to the noon sun. As they say in Africa
"Livingstone, I presume?"
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| Posted 12-07-2011 at 16:02
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On 2011-07-12 12:45, chimera wrote:
That stone was hot to trot when the barrow was a fire temple and priests were rapping. Now it's just air-con. cold stone sending waves of cold geometry to the noon sun. As they say in Africa
"Livingstone, I presume?"
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I sense an excess of chilled 4X beer.
I don't fully agree with this man, but essentially feel He is correct.
SUPERLIGHT.
And it is this light that the barrows etc are constructed to interact with, the life flow of universe.
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/milewski.htm
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| Posted 12-07-2011 at 16:38
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On 2011-07-12 16:02, cropredy wrote:
I sense an excess of chilled 4X beer.
I don't fully agree with this man, but essentially feel He is correct.
SUPERLIGHT.
And it is this light that the barrows etc are constructed to interact with, the life flow of universe.
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/milewski.htm
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Why have you usurped this thread with your ideas again? Can you just for once please stick to the discussion instead of kidnapping it to promote yourself.
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| Posted 12-07-2011 at 17:20
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On 2011-07-12 16:38, karloff wrote:
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On 2011-07-12 16:02, cropredy wrote:
I sense an excess of chilled 4X beer.
I don't fully agree with this man, but essentially feel He is correct.
SUPERLIGHT.
And it is this light that the barrows etc are constructed to interact with, the life flow of universe.
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/milewski.htm
Kevin
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Why have you usurped this thread with your ideas again? Can you just for once please stick to the discussion instead of kidnapping it to promote yourself.
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I am merely offering my opinion after observation.
You can obviously only moan.
I do not moan about Your endless ...I am an archaeologist and know it all posts.
Perhaps I should???
I doubt Rune will appreciate such though, as i don't appreciate your never ending negative attitude.
Have a nice day.
Back to thread perhaps??
Or haven't YOU any idea as to why, or how these circles were operated.
If this was up in the stones section i can partially understand Your constant moanings, but it isn't, if I need Your permission to breathe down here I may too join chimera in too many 4Xs.
Kevin
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| Posted 12-07-2011 at 17:38
Karloff,
I have just bothered to check through all 15 pages of this thread to see Your posts.
The first was a sarcastic jibe about "all that effort to fry some eggs"
Which I think everyone actually agrees with.
Your subsequent posts have been basically stating Your accountant type findings of the structures and remains found and recordede, which is sometimes interesting and helpfull, but.
it is merely accounting, which thousands do.
it shows the recorded remnants, it does not divulge the reasons WHY.
If I was merely interested in the accounting and remnants I would be up in the stones section, I am not merely interested in the remnants, I am interested in working out what the dickens all of this system was about.
If I am not allowed to think and discuss this here, WHY is this place here, shut it down.
Kevin
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| Posted 12-07-2011 at 18:26
On the contrary Chimera a linga is perfect for capturing the morning and afternoon sun. Today's solar device tend to focus on the midday sun so we have little flat boxes that only heat up for 3 hrs over lunchtime. The linga or column ignores the midday sun and warms in the morning or evening depending on the arrangement. This allows for a more even spread of energy absorption and cooking as the simple solar rice cooker clearly shows.
The clever Brahma realized they could do both by having doors both east and west in the tropics, then added south and north doors when the sanctuary was situated away from the equator.
this example of cerrig's was probably a result of who ever dwelt in the cave noting the warm spot so to speak. They decided to put a rather neat solar absorber in the right spot of the cave. Clearly when the sun is lower in the sky that stone will be covered in light. Let me guess you don't think it will get a little bit warmer because the pixies come out and steal the warmth.
Alternatively it could be another example of a stone age clock that told the time once a year.
Am I really the only one that sees the benefits that can be bestowed by solar warmed stones. When is the penny going to drop, or is it a case of too attached to other ideas. I can see from other threads that you guys all want to believe in some star alignments, rituals, festivals, timepieces, star maps and mystical energy lines or forces. The bottom line is that the Ancient Solar Premise is all of these things in one with the added benefit of adding easy energy in to the survival stakes.
You all seem unified against the Solar Premise when each chooses a particular strand of it.
Yes the monuments are aligned to the cosmos and the important star - the sun.
Yes this will indicate times of the year just as any static optimized solar device will today.
Yes the alignments and chamber arrangements tell you something about the rituals and festivals of neolithic times. One can hardly 'fry an egg' or boil broth on a stone when it is shadow.
Yes these ancient structures are the source of a clearly mystical energy source, judging by the limited understanding of solar tech in this forum.
And finally perhaps most controversially of all these solar structures have absolutely nothing to do with star maps it is complete BS. There are so many stars in the sky moving about throughout the year that if I dropped 50 of those fried eggs on the floor they would align or mirror SOME constellation. Do the math 50 squillion stars 50 eggs, chances of 3 aligning as vega 12 are pretty high. It is astrology combined with numerology and flair, to make it all sound sensible.
Carry on with ya personal favorites, but don't fool yourselves into thinking they are more than just parts of the Solar Premise, you have to deny the laws of nature and common sense to do so.
Even George has recognized that the neoliths could have parked their bikes in the odd chamber.
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| Posted 12-07-2011 at 18:48
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On 2011-07-12 17:38, cropredy wrote:
Karloff,
I have just bothered to check through all 15 pages of this thread to see Your posts.
The first was a sarcastic jibe about "all that effort to fry some eggs"
Which I think everyone actually agrees with.
Your subsequent posts have been basically stating Your accountant type findings of the structures and remains found and recordede, which is sometimes interesting and helpfull, but.
it is merely accounting, which thousands do.
it shows the recorded remnants, it does not divulge the reasons WHY.
If I was merely interested in the accounting and remnants I would be up in the stones section, I am not merely interested in the remnants, I am interested in working out what the dickens all of this system was about.
If I am not allowed to think and discuss this here, WHY is this place here, shut it down.
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that is a fair assessment, could you do that for the other posters who record the detail but fail to see the big picture or won't put their ideas alongside the dwelling with solar aspects concept.
Clearly if they have been accounting correctly and honestly they would not have bothered to deny the altar stones named as whatever they care to call them. Nor the dwellings aligned to the optimum points for solar energy collection or as you put it realizing their potential.
This is one of my favorites, which I am sure has come up in here before, there were not bodies in all the barrows, but there were in some so they were generally for funeral purposes. Why couldn't it be the other way round? The old school would feel silly if it were and they don't want to move on to some of the other options.
The problem is the orthodoxy has been beating down ideas for so long that when a dull sensible one comes along the standard reaction is to say no for as many reasons as can be thought up. It does not matter if the laws of physics are broken or reason is abandoned, there are bodies in some so they were graves, period.
Now not everybody in here is guilty of these thought crimes, but I will bet a few have had to face the pointless dead end graves hypothesis.
Andy said this on the first post
'Hello, thanks but I don't see the connection to stone circles. I think
you need to explain it a bit more. All rocks warm up in the sun, even
natural ones - how do stone circles in particular collect and store
sunlight? They consist of rough stones, not finely polished parabolas.
Thanks '
Ever since then folk have been denying this, why didn't they just tell Andy he is wrong as well and we could all have saved ourselves a lot of time. At least you accept the facts of rocks warming in the sun though use your own model to explain it.
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| Posted 12-07-2011 at 18:48
secretsofthesunsects,
You could be an honoury Yorkshire man.
http://www.kch42.dial.pipex.com/cotswold.htm
As prof Thom so wonderfully recorded, the circles are rarely circles, and are seemingly different shapes and sizes for no apparent reason/s.
I approach such places and check what is detectable with dowsing, and find without exeption that the placement of the stones exactly mirrors a variable system that the circles are placed upon at the compression zones of scalar such geometries that are very difficult to recognise presently, but may have been far more easily recognised in a more natural environment.
The stones at circles appear to have been positioned to act in series in position where flows of something circulate at different levels and vary as other solar bodies change positions.
These flows are none visible, and are generally only percieved by the more sensitive of peoples currently, but who knows in the past?
Many materials have a sort of symbiotic interaction with these flows of something, and certain stones if positioned in the correct orientation to their inbuilt fine structures do individually interact and act simier to batteries with this something.
I find all of this is far clearer after the suns field has departed around the other side of the planet as such, then magic really begins, the sun appears to do nothing but suppress the stones interactions.
I am certain that in other ways the sun creates other certain interactions and welcome Your unique angle on all of this.
Kevin
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| Posted 12-07-2011 at 21:07
Kevin
what is your best online source for Ley line maps? Uk/Ireland or worldwide.
I have a couple of these maps but loads of key lines are missing.
Chris
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what is your best online source for Ley line maps? Uk/Ireland or worldwide.
I have a couple of these maps but loads of key lines are missing.
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A pair of dowsing rods.
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| Posted 14-07-2011 at 12:29
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On 2011-07-12 17:20, cropredy wrote:
I am merely offering my opinion after observation.
You can obviously only moan.
I do not moan about Your endless ...I am an archaeologist and know it all posts.
Perhaps I should???
I doubt Rune will appreciate such though, as i don't appreciate your never ending negative attitude.
Have a nice day.
Back to thread perhaps??
Or haven't YOU any idea as to why, or how these circles were operated.
If this was up in the stones section i can partially understand Your constant moanings, but it isn't, if I need Your permission to breathe down here I may too join chimera in too many 4Xs.
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so pointing out that a theory doesn't fit with the known facts is moaning?
Questioning someone is moaning? Should I instead then simply accept what people in this forum say rather than thinking for myself?
As for my "negative attitude" and "I am an archaeologist and know it all posts" That's just a really petty childish misrepresentation from someone who constantly states that he "KNOWS" everything.
In terms of this particular thread, an idea has been put forward which relies on a particular set of circumstances and an incomplete data set. Therefore, asking the poster questions concerning the idea is called DISCUSSION. If pointing out that the evidence doesn't support the idea is "moaning" then I'm very happy to be a moaner.
I have put forward many times what some of the Late Neolithic/Early Bronze Age monuments might have meant to the contemporary society. However, it is clear that because you, and others, firmly believe that these monuments "were operated" rather than seeing them as products of a society based on stone technology with relatively short lifespans. You can't see that they were within a partially agricultural landscape beginning to be divided up by clans or tribes or families producing a surplus which enabled people to spend time constructing large monumental projects. That at a time of social and technological flux monuments may have taken on a vital focus for geographically disparate peoples who shared cultural beliefs. Therefore, the construction and use of these social edifices formed an important part of daily life which is likely to have also had a religious, or spiritual aspect.
If you just accepted one simple fact that many of the monuments were actually built thousands of years apart, chambered tombs and round barrows for example, so they may have no real relationship at all. Then perhaps you might start to at least question your idea about these monuments forming some giant energy system.
You will never accept any idea than doesn't conform to your view. I'm willing to listen and engage with ideas beyond the archaeological profession BUT I feel obliged to point out when ideas are framed in such terms as "Would the guys at Megalithic Portal be interested in seeing how a Stone Circle actually worked?" that the ideas behind such a bold statement are wrong! So eat me if that's a problem for you!
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On 2011-07-12 16:02, cropredy wrote:
I sense an excess of chilled 4X beer.
I don't fully agree with this man, but essentially feel He is correct.
SUPERLIGHT.
And it is this light that the barrows etc are constructed to interact with, the life flow of universe.
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/milewski.htm
Kevin
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Why have you usurped this thread with your ideas again? Can you just for once please stick to the discussion instead of kidnapping it to promote yourself.
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Karloof,
After the long rant in Your previous post , I feel it is required to remind YOU and others of what started this negative garbage once again....YOU with this post.
You accused me of usurping this thread with MY ideas, after I posted a link to some other persons works.
YOU do not have to read any of My, or others posts, if YOU are so certain of YOUR superior assumed knowledge about stone circles , YOU should simply ignore others discussing possible alternative reasons for their use.
Trouble is....YOU have no actual knowledge of their use or reasons for construction, so to call any other discussion ALTERNATIVE is false, as there is no known reason, and that gawls the likes of YOU who so pomposously consider YOURself aloof.
Your just an accountant, that doen't have a clue why any stone has been orientated in any special position or groupings of positions, You just account for what is there, then add silly words like RITUAL, and sacrificial or religious, it would be far more honest to say..... We guess.
I am sick to the back teeth of having to answer YOUR constant totally negative dribble.
Kevin
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Guys, please...
It's the nature of the forum that alternative and different ideas can be discussed here. What we're aiming for is that to happen in a civil way.
Internet communication is fraught with opportunities to take offence where none was meant and to some extent to dole out insults in a way that wouldn't happen with face-to-face communication. It only takes a few more seconds to remove the personal jibes and to still concentrate on getting your points across. There are usually several ways to say the same thing, please pick one that's not offensive.
No-one's asking you to agree with an opposing point of view, but we are asking you to express your ideas in a way that's not so personal. Please concentrate on the theories and ideas, not the personalities.
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Wow
Just got to this thread. Aren't you all exhausted with the idea of solar?
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On 2011-07-12 16:38, karloff wrote:
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On 2011-07-12 16:02, cropredy wrote:
I sense an excess of chilled 4X beer.
I don't fully agree with this man, but essentially feel He is correct.
SUPERLIGHT.
And it is this light that the barrows etc are constructed to interact with, the life flow of universe.
http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/milewski.htm
Kevin
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Why have you usurped this thread with your ideas again? Can you just for once please stick to the discussion instead of kidnapping it to promote yourself.
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Rune,
THIS is where the negative came from....KARLOFF.
Accusing Me of usurping this thread, which is total crap.
I have input about an alternative to that which is ASSUMED to be a beam of light, I offered links to Angkor wat which I consider shows the duality of that which churns the milky way, and is basically what the megaliths were constructed to interact with,imho.
I didn't make a single post until the end of the eigth page of this thread .
And Yet AGAIN this repetitive,accusation from KARLOFF that I am usurping the threads.
It is a clear and with willfull attempt to remove Me from posting here , exactly the self same modus operandi that was used on TMA.
Within a few posts I am made out to be the cause of the problems, I am not, it is such as KARLOFF.
He cannot stick any other suggestions other than what he considers to be PROVABLE facts, in other words PHYSICAL identifiable and accountable.
I don't go up into the stones section and start moaning about such as Him posting none stop about the self same physical stuff.
By Your post been headed with a plural "GUYS" I assume You were talking to Me in the content?
I reject totally usurping this thread in any way whatsoever, and have been carefull not to say what is clearly wished for that I say in my answers to the moaning KARLOFF.
If I have done ANYTHING wrong or out of order with the desired nature of this forum please point it out to Me , in full view of all.
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Hi Kevin,
I'm talking to everyone equally when I say Guys, and not just on this thread either 
So, Guys...
I don't know if it's something in the air or something in the ether but there have been a lot of jibes flying to and fro on the forums and in the comments on the site-pages.
It's not nice for anyone so I've asked that it stops. Also, if someone posts a dig, then please just try and ignore it, once one person retaliates, then another, then the whole thing escalates and before we know where we are, an interesting discussion's descended into mud-slinging and most of it's deleted.
We all need to accept there are very different views put forward here and we all need to accept they can all be expressed here and discussed without insult.
I would suggest that if someone's posts irritate any of you to the extent you feel you have to have a pop at them, don't do it, pm me and we'll find a way to get your point across without personal insult.
Lots of people have invested a lot of time and goodwill to keep these forums running smoothly and fairly and we aim to keep it that way.
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Come on, give each other a break please, there's some really interesting discussions going on, let's not regress back
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On 2011-07-14 12:29, karloff wrote:
I have put forward many times what some of the Late Neolithic/Early Bronze Age monuments might have meant to the contemporary society. However, it is clear that because you, and others, firmly believe that these monuments "were operated" rather than seeing them as products of a society based on stone technology with relatively short lifespans. You can't see that they were within a partially agricultural landscape beginning to be divided up by clans or tribes or families producing a surplus which enabled people to spend time constructing large monumental projects. That at a time of social and technological flux monuments may have taken on a vital focus for geographically disparate peoples who shared cultural beliefs. Therefore, the construction and use of these social edifices formed an important part of daily life which is likely to have also had a religious, or spiritual aspect.
blah blah blah
If you just accepted one simple fact that many of the monuments were actually built thousands of years apart, chambered tombs and round barrows for example, so they may have no real relationship at all. Then perhaps you might start to at least question your idea about these monuments forming some giant energy system.
maybe maybe maybe
You will never accept any idea than doesn't conform to your view. I'm willing to listen and engage with ideas beyond the archaeological profession BUT I feel obliged to point out when ideas are framed in such terms as "Would the guys at Megalithic Portal be interested in seeing how a Stone Circle actually worked?" that the ideas behind such a bold statement are wrong! So eat me if that's a problem for you!
might be might not be ...
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Ok you have had your fun and maintained the pretense for long enough.
I accept the idea that these structures are built thousands of years apart and still find a link between them. You only think MAYBE there isn't. Clearly there is a link under the Grand Ancient Solar Premise the time frame and buildings span the early stone age to the 1400sAD and continents. It seems to be something you have missed by simply following the received wisdom that they ''Therefore, the construction and use of these social edifices formed an important part of daily life which is likely to have also had a religious, or spiritual aspect.'' Just about anything then.
Basically all you are saying is that these people grew some crops and eventually built bigger buildings without roofs, a great deduction from the stone remnants. When it comes to use and function because there is no roof remnants they were 'likely' or 'might be' the usual dribble of sacrificial and spiritual offering. You forgot to mention the odd body found in situ so they were also clearly of some funerary function.
Science is not a maybe field, it is certain that when the sun hits these stones they will warm. It is certain that many are arranged to take advantage of the sun. It is certain that this would be useful. These certainties are despite the contradictions to the laws of physics running from the posters in here.
Now it is not certain that SH had a roof, despite the post holes or peg holes that are symbolic representations of the stars in Jonm model. The stone circles may not have had a pelt roofs like the meso americans built out of hides and called them teepees. But here are few certainties, they would have made fine dwellings, they would have been able to exploit what little sun there is north of the tropics and that all certainly adds to the survival stakes in a non-benign climate. This is all depsite the contradictions posted to the heat profile of a black body, light traveling in straight lines and a rooms warming when the sun comes in.
Now I know a lot of people want to stick with the metaphysical world, the mystical world, the mystery, the sacrifice, the religious whatever other waste of ancient resources you can think up. However solar dwellings actually helps the residents, it is certainly not a cost to them. As a professed archaeologist you should at least accept that ancient peoples spent much of their time trying to survive, not waste resources on fruitless exercises in mysticism and sacrifice. In a barren landscape who the hell is gonna waste an animal carcass? Any rational archaeologist would know that the rules are the same throughout time, we need water, food, energy and somewhere to live first. Under the conventional view it seems it is the opposite and that does not apply to just the neoliths, most views of the ancient world touch on the same points. It is time to wake up.
As such Kevin is closer to the truth than most of the psuedo intellectual babble that has been written on antiquity. These structures and many thousands like them around the globe are built to collect store and return energy. IT IS USEFUL! IT HELPED THEM!
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''I feel obliged to point out when ideas are framed in such terms as "Would the guys at Megalithic Portal be interested in seeing how a Stone Circle actually worked?" that the ideas behind such a bold statement are wrong! So eat me if that's a problem for you!''
Á private e-mail was sent straight to board, my first knowledge of the fact was looking on the forum. It naturally lead to the wisecracks and so forth. I guess that is the nature of goad the newbie.
Usually I start with the simple structures and build up to the grand henges or pyramids. Obviously it is a smarter way to broach the subject since someone agreed almost immediately with the Brahmin concept of the solar sanctuary. This dismisses the religious beliefs of a billion hindus and buddhists almost instantly, where exactly is that respect for other peoples and religions I have shown you guys? I at least considered the facts and people before publishing.
Carry on in ignorance of the real nature of the ancient world, but if you want to see the the solar threads running through the great cultures of the world all the way back to the one you guys have an interest in read Secrets of the Sun Sects, roll on the shameless plug.
https://www.smashwords.com/books/view/19957
You may just learn old meanings like sacrifice means to cook, altar stones were solar hearths, holy water is boiled or fresh clean water, sacred geometry is about aligning buildings to the sun, likewise sacred architecture and there are plenty more practical explanations including somethings that may even be useful today. All just tiny weeny little parts of the Ancient Solar Premise, like the cairns or barrows.
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