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Runemage
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|  Posted 20-11-2010 at 11:13
Recently on this page Stonesavant made the following observation on this stone which unusually has two holes, one circular and one rectangular.
"The lower apperature has multiple purposes. It is clearly a birth-rebirth apparatus. We need to know what direction it is facing and what planets and celestial objects pass this alignment. You can clearly see that a large wooden or stone cut as a parallelogram, can be inserted into the frame on the back of the stone. This board would act as an adjustable fresnel or limiting filter. The light could be reflected back to the rear of the main stone and the small holes could have held crystals which would act as beam splitters which, in turn, would cast color spectra when struck by the returning light."
It's an interesting concept, anyone else have any comments? Please keep them on here please, not on the site-page.
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On 2010-11-20 11:13, Runemage wrote:
Recently on this page Stonesavant made the following observation on this stone which unusually has two holes, one circular and one rectangular.
"The lower apperature has multiple purposes. It is clearly a birth-rebirth apparatus. We need to know what direction it is facing and what planets and celestial objects pass this alignment. You can clearly see that a large wooden or stone cut as a parallelogram, can be inserted into the frame on the back of the stone. This board would act as an adjustable fresnel or limiting filter. The light could be reflected back to the rear of the main stone and the small holes could have held crystals which would act as beam splitters which, in turn, would cast color spectra when struck by the returning light."
It's an interesting concept, anyone else have any comments? Please keep them on here please, not on the site-page.
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If the monument was covered then some sunlight would get in via the birth-rebirthing /cat flap aperture but unless the horizon was very flat it wouldn't be direct ,can't see much light from other stellar stuff would get in apart from the higher hole .If light is going to be a feature it would have to be higher , e.g. light box at Newgrange . Not uncommon , other tomba giganti and dolmens in the Caucusus have similar holes and holed stones are fairly frequent , there's one in Northumberland drilled through a sizeable boulder that is aligned on the solstice(iirc) but could well be modern .
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| Posted 20-11-2010 at 15:34
It's seems a bit pointless speculating when you don't know its alignment. It appears to be 215 degrees which, as far as I can see, doesn't align with anything.
And with regards to the lunar alignment - "the outer ridges on the right shoulder of the main stone are lunar set and rise curvatures." - judging by other tombs' main upright stones, this doesn't make any sense.
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| Posted 20-11-2010 at 16:18
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On 2010-11-20 15:34, davidmorgan wrote:
It's seems a bit pointless speculating when you don't know its alignment. It appears to be 215 degrees which, as far as I can see, doesn't align with anything.
And with regards to the lunar alignment - "the outer ridges on the right shoulder of the main stone are lunar set and rise curvatures." - judging by other tombs' main upright stones, this doesn't make any sense.
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I didn't see these quotes ,where are they ? Of course Hoskin has the details ,I thought it so unlikely I didn't even bother checking . The important point is that the dec is -36 so not associated with major lunar or astro events .Of the 230 odd T di G surveyed not many did although it's worth noting that 87% did face the the directions the sun rose at some time in the year .
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| Posted 20-11-2010 at 16:30
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Here:
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=a312&file=index&do=showpic&pid=65986
P.S. I'm glad someone knows what they're talking about, George. I hadn't heard of Hoskin -
"In southern Sardinia, however, the orientations face all directions of the compass. Hoskin argues that the earlier dolmen tradition set the pattern for the later tombi di giganti orientations in northern Sardinia, but in the south part of the island some other tradition (or, quite possibly, no orientation tradition) prevailed." Bryn Mawr Classical Review 2002.06.44.
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On 2010-11-20 16:30, davidmorgan wrote:
[quote]On 2010-11-20 16:18, tiompan wrote:
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Here:
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=a312&file=index&do=showpic&pid=65986
P.S. I'm glad someone knows what they're talking about, George. I hadn't heard of Hoskin -
"In southern Sardinia, however, the orientations face all directions of the compass. Hoskin argues that the earlier dolmen tradition set the pattern for the later tombi di giganti orientations in northern Sardinia, but in the south part of the island some other tradition (or, quite possibly, no orientation tradition) prevailed." Bryn Mawr Classical Review 2002.06.44.
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Ahhh , thanks .
I assumed you got the 215 from Hoskin .
George
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No, I used this - http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/
(I had to update the positional coordinates on the site page first.)
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| Posted 20-11-2010 at 18:13
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On 2010-11-20 17:30, davidmorgan wrote:
[quote]On 2010-11-20 17:23, tiompan wrote:
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No, I used this - http://www.esrl.noaa.gov/gmd/grad/solcalc/
(I had to update the positional coordinates on the site page first.)
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In effect G.E. . What's interesting about that is you were within half a degree of the survey which says a lot for GE and good news for us .
George
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| Posted 20-11-2010 at 21:40
If I could just add a comment on what is detectable?
I detect flows that follow the geometry, and these flows are layered on top of each other and flow in opposite directions.
I can only comment on the layers near the surface.
The bottom flow I detect as emmitting from the planet, and is normally aprox upto 30 inchs from surface to top of that flow, above that for as high as I can detect is an incoming flow, a few weeks ago that incoming flow stopped totally for several days, and the lower flow raised by aprox a further 12 inchs.
Dependant on sun and moon positions these flows stop and reverse at certain times, this happens for a short spell every morning and evening after sunrise and before sun set.
The longer stop and reversal times are more determined by the moon.
Therefore with this stone which I would suggest was the facing stone of a barrow type covered chamber?
The flows will be locally on the alignment at which the stones are facing, and that the soul for a better word of the deceased was presumed by the builders, and Me to enter into these flows and travel into the planet, and them re-emerge as the flows directions reverse.
I would respectfully suggest that they have nothing what so ever to do with sunlight in any shape or form, but have everything to do with the flows that are responsible for creating light locally about the planet.
The flows are in a similer method to magnetic in that they are following the geometry that is of universe and are laser like beams that in turn induce the magnetic spin .
The opening IMHO will have been plugged with quartz crystals that will show the flows altering directions by becoming luminous slighty as they stress as the flows reverse.
Thus the remains of the deceased could be placed in the chamber , and the breeding young females stood in front of the hole to recieve the returning soul.
The covering of the chamber will have been akin to reichs orgone accumulators to ensure that the sould did not dissperse as it would do naturally .
This is how I detect the system and have evaluated the design reasons to be for, my opinion.
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| Posted 21-11-2010 at 00:04
Michael Hoskin is an eminent academic
http://www.shpltd.co.uk/mah/
Editor and Founder of the Journal for the History of Astronomy (founded by MAH, 1970; editor 1970–present)
He's e-mailed me with info on Mediterranean dolmens, nice chap
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| Posted 21-11-2010 at 03:01
Hi folks all of these mounds and structure were demonstrations of the same Neolithic religion. The idea was to worship he God and Goddess by sitting around watching the light beam move through. You do not need more than an inch or two of paralax from the horizon to the first collimation point. Its like a camera with multiple lenses. Perhaps you could see it as a telescope in reverse. The first lens is the far horizon. The second lens is the cat hole, and so forth. New Grange works this way but has 8 aperatures. I know because I lived there and spent several nights inside with Martin Brennan and Jack Roberts. (illegally). We had the keys. This was 1979. Yes I am and old stone goat. Anyway, each filter point does something different. Lasers do this electronically. In any case shaping the beam also concentrates it and against a dark background the contrast is stunning, especially when color spectra are involved.
http://www.arkives.com
thanks Hank Harrison (Google Me) javascript:%20x()
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| Posted 21-11-2010 at 10:45
Hello Hank, I didn't realise it was you - welcome! We tend to prefer discussion of 'leftfield' ideas in the forum here as there's more room for debate, and more fun 
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| Posted 21-11-2010 at 13:43
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Michael Hoskin is an eminent academic
http://www.shpltd.co.uk/mah/
Editor and Founder of the Journal for the History of Astronomy (founded by MAH, 1970; editor 1970–present)
He's e-mailed me with info on Mediterranean dolmens, nice chap
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Oh no, yet another book to add to my wish list of Oxbow Books.
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| Posted 21-11-2010 at 19:18
I would recommend these pictures of dolmens, some still have their plugs in the holes, one picture shows a carving on the front stone of a cross in a circle.
http://www.janbily.de/Megaliths/russia.htm
If You then look through this link, and especially at the third photo in the gallery of images of the dolmen near the jane river, it shows a portal doorway carved in the front stone, and on the two columns there are zig zag lines, this IMHO is showing the bloch wall( neals wall) effect that is occuring along the alignment of what the dolmen is upon, they would have had a causeway leading to this along that alignment with embankments either side to further enchance the effect.
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Dolmen
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http://www.janbily.de/Megaliths/russia.htm
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On 2010-11-21 03:01, stonesavant wrote:
Hi folks all of these mounds and structure were demonstrations of the same Neolithic religion. The idea was to worship he God and Goddess by sitting around watching the light beam move through. You do not need more than an inch or two of paralax from the horizon to the first collimation point. Its like a camera with multiple lenses. Perhaps you could see it as a telescope in reverse. The first lens is the far horizon. The second lens is the cat hole, and so forth. New Grange works this way but has 8 aperatures. I know because I lived there and spent several nights inside with Martin Brennan and Jack Roberts. (illegally). We had the keys. This was 1979. Yes I am and old stone goat. Anyway, each filter point does something different. Lasers do this electronically. In any case shaping the beam also concentrates it and against a dark background the contrast is stunning, especially when color spectra are involved.
http://www.arkives.com
thanks Hank Harrison (Google Me) javascript:%20x()
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Hello Hank , If the holed entrance stone dolmens like the tomba di giganti and those in Caucusus were used for worship by watching the light show , (something we have no evidence for ), how did the worshippers get in and out ?
George
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Runemage
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| Posted 21-11-2010 at 21:54
and spent several nights inside with Martin Brennan and Jack Roberts.
Oh you lucky lucky guy! I'd give my eye teeth to have done that. My first question on my first visit there was how does someone go about getting permission to spend a night in there.
I've just read "The Stones of Ancient Ireland". I keep running up against people who say the light beam touches the orthostat with the triple spiral on it ( nowadays referred to as C10) which is impossible as it does not face the light beam.
You say on page 77 out of 79
"After the beam crosses the basin stone it continues to
the tenth stone inside the chamber. From there it works
its way to the triple spiral through a complex series of
maneuvers. Many people think the triple spiral is located
at the back of the North or “End” chamber, directly in line
with the beam as it enters, but this is not so. The famed
triple spiral is actually incised on the posterior face of the
eastern stone (the rightmost support stone) of the end"
and immediately there's a page missing. Page78 which would outline your explanation is not there and it jumps straight to page 79.
Help! What did you observe there?? I am on the edge of my computer-chair 
Rune
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