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TwentyTrees
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|  Posted 29-06-2010 at 17:23
I was at Avebury at the weekend, walking the bank with my father and partner. In the south-eastern part I mentioned to my father that the crows were making lots of noise and he replied that it was the young crows leaving the nests. Just then a group of crows flew from the ditch, around twenty, of which the middle one was white. A white crow confirmed by a second look, closer up. Can anyone provide any information about white crows, especially in mythology?
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airybiker
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| Posted 30-06-2010 at 08:33
That must have been a lovely experience Twenty Trees, I wish I'd seen it.
My interest stems from following the lives of the local tribe of crafty Jackdaws, who nest in our chimneys, fight on the roof, and generally hooliganise the area.
I love watching them, the way they perch in pairs -- old couples with constant subtle and not so subtle exchanges, their moods showing in the way they hold their heads.
Some get pretty ragged, yesterday I saw one with no tail whatsoever, and the extra effort it had to make to stay airborne was very noticeable.
Periodically a large group of birds visit my lot, and the trees and rooftops and the air above, are filled with conferring groups, with much noisy interaction as birds move from one conference to another, catching up, and visiting relatives.
Last year one bird had a white stripe on one wing, near the body.
This year - a matching stripe on the other side.
So - far from having any relevant information, (sorry!) I write as one who also hopes for a little more information here.
airybiker.
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| Posted 02-07-2010 at 22:26
There are all sorts of interpretations that can be applied to instances like this. You would most likely get a slightly different view from anyone who tried. You have already started to work it out by listing the different components of the incident, and it's by looking at these that some sense can be made of it.
I'll try and weave a tale for you, just for fun mind, and then maybe you could pick up on that and do your message justice by putting your own interpretation on it. It's only your thoughts that would really count at the end of the day.
I'll list the different parts;
Avebury; Too many facets to go into in any detail, but basically it's the place where it happened. It obviously means something to you, and a lot of other people too. It has links to other similar places, and it tends to attract like minded people. It's a place that is meant to be shared, just as you were doing with your family.
And it's a circle, which has no starting point, but it can be joined at any place on it's rim.
The area of the South East relates to the time of year. For the Sun cycle this would be mid winter, and being Solar and male this would indicate a time of action, or the time to put something into action.
For the Lunar cycle this time would be now, as the full moon tends to rise in the same place as the sun rose 6 months earlier(or later,depending on how you see it) So 6 months from now will be Winter solstice,and the sun and moon will have reversed positions. The moon being female indicates a time of planning,or maybe giving birth, perhaps to an idea.
The group of Crows( are you sure they were crows, they don't normally gather in any numbers.) leaving the nest, noisily, with a very unusual individual amongst them, may indicate that the one really outstanding outcome may be hidden amongst more run of the mill things. It could be confusing at first , but a more careful look would confirm it's worth.
Crows especially, but any of the Corvids, have always been associated with wisdom and learning. They can be very clever birds, but they can't count too well. So watch your pennies.
They are also associated with dark forces and slyness, but this is just taking being crafty to the extreme, which is where things can go if you don't watch yourself. There is always a balancing act when using any talents or influences, are you too wishy washy or too full on.
Studying these things may help you, or confuse you. It's possible to read too much into things, but a White Crow is a very definite sign. Perhaps anything more subtle would have passed you by. Maybe it already has, and you missed it. Do you need a good prod to see what's in front of you sometimes.
You may have an opportunity to get started on something. Timing,and the right kind of measured response are important. Fledgelings are indicated, whether real or imaginary(ideas) and Family support and wisdom too. By planning now things can grow strong ready for the darker days(winter)
An opportunity may be lost if not acted upon. The Crow doesn't miss opportunities.
Just for fun mind. I hope this helps.
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| Posted 03-07-2010 at 14:39
"If you wish to upset the law that all crows are black,
you mustn't seek to show that no crows are;
it is enough if you prove one single crow to be white."
William James
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| Posted 03-07-2010 at 18:48
Sounds like it was either albino or leucistic. An albino Magpie was spotted at Dover castle last year and people have reported and photographed other albino birds and animals.
Many years ago I saw an albino sparrow in my garden and have seen a few crows and blackbirds with white feathers.
A nice picture here of a white crow:
http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/kendall-crow009.html
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| Posted 04-07-2010 at 12:25
Some mythical stuff to do with Crows, and possibly Ravens and the other black birds.
gods associated ; Apollo, Odin.
goddess; Athena.
It is credited with intelligence, dexterity, insight
Also; creation,magic,prophesy,shape-shifting,and as a foreteller of fortune( good and bad).
A white crow watched over Apollo's pregnant lover at Delphos.
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| Posted 27-07-2010 at 20:37
I saw it today!
http://www.peteglastonbury.plus.com/Jacky.jpg
http://www.peteglastonbury.plus.com/Jackydaw.jpg
Its an Albino Jackdaw
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[ This message was edited by: Andy B on 2010-07-30 13:19 ]
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| Posted 27-07-2010 at 23:03
Brilliant Pete!
Magical indeed 
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| Posted 27-07-2010 at 23:06
Great photo's, well done.
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| Posted 27-07-2010 at 23:41
I took over 200 photos over an hour or so.
What was amazing is that there were around 100 people in the circle, most with cameras and No One noticed it!
Maybe they thought it was a dove or something.
I've spoken to a wildlife expert who tells me that it will probably not last long as there are so may jackdaws in that area.
It stayed very close to its mum...
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| Posted 30-07-2010 at 00:17
Nice pics Pete, wish I'd had my camera with me this morning.
Walking to work for a change, seven Magpies flew out of a tree directly across my path, with much harsh chattering. I've never seen this number of magpies together before, although there are four who reside near a house I work in, presumably a recently flying brood. Plus a pair of crows who regularly see them off at 5am when I am on a "sleep-in".
So on the line of the "Magpie" theme tune "one for sorrow"etc seven is for a secret never to be told.
Anyone know the origin and accuracy of the rhyme?
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| Posted 30-07-2010 at 00:35
I know Sem, but I can't tell you, it's a secret.
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PeteG
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| Posted 30-07-2010 at 12:35
some more pics
http://www.peteglastonbury.plus.com/JackyFlying.jpg
http://www.peteglastonbury.plus.com/Jacky1.jpg
http://www.peteglastonbury.plus.com/Jacky2.jpg
anyone got any more folklore on white crows/ravens?
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[ This message was edited by: Andy B on 2010-07-30 13:21 ]
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| Posted 18-08-2010 at 11:45
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/wiltshire/hi/people_and_places/nature/newsid_8901000/8901923.stm
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| Posted 25-09-2010 at 09:31
This site is dedicated to pre Roman times, but it is possibly important to venture into the period when the romans arrived to better realise what that invasion also mean't for what was here previous to then.
Just as the invasion of the Normans created a vast alteration also.
I suspect our upside down friend chimera could rattle off pages and pages of so called facts about the Roman period, but that would do what it is designed to do and simply veil the actuality of why they came, and what they imposed here.
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| Posted 19-10-2010 at 20:49
Coronis ("crow" or "raven"), daughter of Phlegyas, King of the Lapiths, was one of Apollo's lovers. While Apollo was away Coronis, already pregnant with Asclepius, fell in love with Ischys, son of Elatus. A white crow which Apollo had left to guard her informed him of the affair and Apollo, enraged that the bird had not pecked out Ischys' eyes as soon as he approached Coronis, flung a curse upon it so furious that it scorched its feathers, which is why all crows are black. Apollo sent his sister, Artemis, to kill Coronis because he could not bring himself to. Afterward Apollo, feeling dejected, only regained his presence of mind when Coronis' body was already aflame on a funeral pyre. Upon a sign from Apollo, Hermes cut the unborn child out of her womb and gave it to the centaur Chiron to raise. Hermes then brought her soul to Tartarus
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| Posted 20-10-2010 at 02:03
thanks you Gorient.
Unfortunately Jackie hasn't been seen around Avebury for a while now,
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| Posted 21-10-2010 at 00:32
I had a report that s/he was seen in Avebury again today.
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| Posted 23-10-2010 at 04:32
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last year saw 13 moons
the white crow and the harsh winter come this year
next the drought
then next the famine
the crow is a signal of the imbalance of nature
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| Posted 25-10-2010 at 10:37
We get crows here but they come in different types (just like the cockatoos do) the thing they ask here is "are they local?" the next thing to ask is "are they ravens or crows and what's the diff?" The photos posted here do not look like a crow because of it's head (looks more like an eagle - but I've been known to be wrong before).
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