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vlad
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|  Posted 02-11-2009 at 19:19
Hi, sem. I simply love Celts, despite their huge ego-trips, anarchy; fights against own leaders instead of foreign aggressors. Why Bran was made over into a giant; just to wade to Ireland!? In Icelandic sagas, heroes used the longboats; it`s quite enough. Or take for instance the fate of Vercingetorix and all the intrigues of druids that time. Fionn didn`t liked druids as well and the other way round. He`s my hero and Morgan Llywelyn`s book - "Finn Mac Cool", is one of my favourite ones.
I know pretty well that "Celtism" is a construct of the Romanticism period. As for so called Celtic myths, they are a strange samelsurium, in which it`s easy to loose connection to any topographical coordinates and land in an Otherworld over the seas, instead of at a sidh. Besides I`m not fond of such a warrior frenzy as displayed by Cuchulainn. If I were Conchobar, I wouldn`t help him either. Most of the stories contained within the corpus of Irish mythology deal with feats of some warriors. Only Fionn appeals to my imagination as a hero of people of the land not of the Tara courtiers.
Dwelling in the British Isles, you are not aware of many traces Celts left behind even in northern Germany and then on their way towards Bohemia, Poland, Balkans and further out to Anatolia. Celtic oppida of Bohemia are very imposing structures. Best agricultural lands of Poland were peopled under many centuries by Celts, which were named Lugii and the Sleza Mt. (in Silesia) was one of their major sanctuaries. Stone bears were its wardens and a damsel with a fish in arms (her another form?), was its patroness.
Krakow - the medieval capital of Poland, was founded by Celts. Krak is claimed to be its founder, mythicized into a ruler, who caused Fire to be sent into the interiors of a watery dragon. It still blows out the "wet" fire of the New Life, standing statue below the Vavel Hill, upon which the castle and cathedral of Polish kings stand.
In summary, Celts went up into many nations of Europe - just like Sarmatians or Alans, so Celtism is not about a race. And not about a family of languages, as they are spoken by minorities in their former lands. It`s hard to put finger on that phenomenon. Looking at the Celtic culture from the point of view of the Taoist philosophy, I discern a specific way of living in harmony with Nature as its main virtue.
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AlbertResonox
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| Posted 02-11-2009 at 19:20
A very good point,Sem...well put!
I wish I'd thought of it...lol
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vlad
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| Posted 02-11-2009 at 21:36
How could I forget about Owain Ddantgwyn the Bear
http://www.shropshiretourism.co.uk/king-arthur/
Is this the real "real King Arthur"!? Even if it`s true, there are still many other disparate Arthurs at our - the storytellers`disposal, anyway. Giant Arthur is maybe the primaeval one. Multiplicity of Arthur`s "real" fatherlands comes out maybe from using an extinct story of the Giant Arthur as a kind of a standard disposition map for some Celtic lands. Plato did the same in his "Laws", setting Zeus, Athene and Hestia in the middle, dividing the land into twelfths and setting other gods (damsel castles) along the periphery.
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| Posted 03-11-2009 at 01:43
hi vlad,
do you know of any pictures of this damsel with a fish in her arms,this has reminded me of something i've seen.
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| Posted 03-11-2009 at 09:24
So, there`s a drawing from old German inventory of that "damsel with a fish". It comes from "Sleza w pradziejach i sredniowieczu" (Mt.Sleza in prehistory and Middle Ages") by Grzegorz Domanski, ISBN 83-913155-7-6, an archaeological summary of that environment. That sculpture still exists; BW photo was to bad to copy it. But it comes from it that the cross has been incised over an older sign similar to St. Andrew“s (St.Patrick`s) cross.
Now here`s one of the two stone bears of Mt. Sleza, with a St.Andrew Cross on his side. The other one has the cross incised on his belly underneath. A Pilgrim sculpture - just like a chess pawn, which stands at the feet of the mountain, has its askance cross incised over the base, facing underground. And another one - up on his head, is facing heavens. But the most interesting of that collection is imo that fragment, called by Polish archaeologists "the Sphinx".
In my view, it`s a Fish Goddess, which survived from the Stone-Age Old Europe (c.f. M. Gimbutas - "Living Goddesses") through the continental Celts`worship, until our times. But where is her roe!? I wonder if someone ever found a sculpture of the goddess Danu or Don. Maybe that`s one of them!? On the other hand; the "damsel with the fish" - if she only had a salmon in her lap, could have been a goddess of wisdom!?
In early Middle Ages, Mt.Sleza was a part of lands owned by a clan of Dunin. Their coat of arms was a Swan. The head of the clan, Piotr Wlast (Gwlastos) Dunin acquired a confirmation of their rights to that land as a fief from a Polish prince. Then, around 1138, he founded a monastery on the top of the mountain... And the medieval legend has him blinded by local druids in revenge. Or else his head had been cut off by druids and Wlast Dunin went all the way down the mountain, keeping his head under his arm.
The clan of Dunin still exists in Poland, divided into some families (e.g. Dunin-Wasowicz) and one can meet them in diaspora all over the world. They always maintained to have come down to Mt. Sleza from Danmark. If we compared this to the "northern islands", wherefrom Tuatha de Danann came to Ireland, some further vistas could be opened.
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| Posted 03-11-2009 at 15:08
OK, Runemage. Don`t you think it has been done now!? New insights without a feed-back are hanging in the air and are leading nowhere.
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| Posted 03-11-2009 at 20:58
OK, Runemage. Don`t you think it has been done now!?
It's been done very well Vlad, thank-you for your insight !
Rune
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|  Posted 10-06-2010 at 15:14
Hi Vlad,
I there any more information on the Owl Goddess from Mount Sleza please?
Thanks 
Ric
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| Posted 11-06-2010 at 06:55
Hi, megalith6, and thanks for your mail. Actually, there`s no cultural (archaeological) CONTEXT left on Mt. Sleza, which could make us sure that it was a representation of the Owl Goddess, known from the "Old Europe" (7000 - 3000 BCE) digs in Central Europe. See e.g. "The Living Goddesses" by Marija Gimbutas, Univ. of California Press, London, 2001 - for more informations and illustrations. So I`ve used that name solely to point out a common sacral (?) IDEA of two big eyes present both at the latter locations and at Mt. Sleza sanctuary remnants.
Now; the earliest traces of cult activities at the top of that extinct volcano, - come from the end of the Bronze Age. They had a form of vessels, which were used for pour-libations at cemeteries and then were smashed and left behind. Similar remnants has been left at Mt. Sleza by the Hallstatt culture (starting at IX c. BCE), which is the part of the continental CELTS prehistory. My proposition was that within that culture a cult of the Owl Goddess could have been perpetuated by some people, - after its Stone Age beginnings. This statement cannot be proved, though, by any archaeological context at Mt. Sleza. Under its further history, all larger stone sculptures (bears, boars, stone pawns, maiden with a fish, etc.) have been displaced from their original locations and moved around by landowners and collectioners.
As you can see from the above, nothing more can be added to the story of the Owl Goddess of Mt. Sleza, beside what I`ve told you already before.
Currently, in my search for meaning, I`m focused on the Aegean world. There, the inheritance of the owl goddess of the Stone Age could have lived further on in some new forms - as in the cult of the grey-eyed owl-goddess Athena. All-Seeing Goddess Hera, in turn, was accompanied by a peacock, displaying "eyes" in its tail. What a common primaeval (and perpetuated!?) SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE those allegories were meant to express and memorize!?
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| Posted 09-07-2010 at 01:27
Thanks Vlad!
I got no message to say you'd replied so my apologies for the delay in getting back to you! 
I cannot identify that book in Britain - Grzegorz Domanski, ISBN 83-913155-7-6, it has the 'owl' picture in it? Presumably this owl is in a *museum* somewhere and not on the slopes of Mount Sleza?
Yes, those fantastic sculptures have been badly knocked about, I saw an old drawing of them when they were heaped up together on the ground 
More later 
Ric
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| Posted 09-07-2010 at 13:26
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On 2009-11-03 09:24, vlad wrote:
In early Middle Ages, Mt.Sleza was a part of lands owned by a clan of Dunin. Their coat of arms was a Swan. The head of the clan, Piotr Wlast (Gwlastos) Dunin acquired a confirmation of their rights to that land as a fief from a Polish prince. Then, around 1138, he founded a monastery on the top of the mountain... And the medieval legend has him blinded by local druids in revenge. Or else his head had been cut off by druids and Wlast Dunin went all the way down the mountain, keeping his head under his arm.
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The swan is a solar bird par excellence; the motif of the beheading is equally solar in this context. I think this strongly suggests a cult of the sun practised at Mnt Sleza. The blinding motif is also significant because it involves eyes, a further solar motif.
Ric
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| Posted 09-07-2010 at 22:48
... And the medieval legend has him blinded ...
Reminds me of Jung's archetypal force of Wodan.
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| Posted 16-07-2010 at 07:51
Hi, Mosh. It looks like the concept of the Stone-Age Sensitivity is somehow attracting your attention, guys . On the other side, your ponderings around it are as if running out into some desert sands and personal conclusions are absent. Well, I`m sailing now, taking advantage of the fine weather in the archipelago of Stockholm, constituted of some 15 thousands of isles. So ahoy there; catch a line of some straightforward words from a sailor!!
What about not paying attention to any authorities like C.G.Jung or some dinosaurs of archaeology, Earth Mysteries or other fragmented paths of knowledge. They are balancing on ladders put together from assumptions, which frequently have been taken over from predecessors or other cultural spheres without any checking if they are coherent with the REAL LIFE, here and now.
When I feel myself like loosing contact with same, I execute a simple honing-in of my awareness. One should sit in a comfortable position, inbetween two empty flower-pots. To the left you should direct your "ego-stream" (replay) and to the right one - your fears and plans for the future. When you`ve pushed aside those two streams of your mind activity, you can sit in the middle, immersed in the abundance of the "ETERNAL PRESENT". Time is space and space is time!?
In some days, maybe I`d have more time to insert photos of "natural" sanctuaries (NYMPHAIONS), I`d discovered last spring, when in the Naxos island (Cyclades, Greece). I wonder, if the awareness of the Eternal Present could have been an important constituent of the Stone-Age sensitivity!? Take care...
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| Posted 16-07-2010 at 19:02
Well, I`m sailing now, taking advantage of the fine weather in the archipelago of Stockholm, constituted of some 15 thousands of isles.
May a fair wind fill your sails.
Safe journey,
Rune
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On 2010-07-16 07:51, vlad wrote:
Hi, Mosh. It looks like the concept of the Stone-Age Sensitivity is somehow attracting your attention, guys . On the other side, your ponderings around it are as if running out into some desert sands and personal conclusions are absent. Well, I`m sailing now, taking advantage of the fine weather in the archipelago of Stockholm, constituted of some 15 thousands of isles. So ahoy there; catch a line of some straightforward words from a sailor!!
What about not paying attention to any authorities like C.G.Jung or some dinosaurs of archaeology, Earth Mysteries or other fragmented paths of knowledge. They are balancing on ladders put together from assumptions, which frequently have been taken over from predecessors or other cultural spheres without any checking if they are coherent with the REAL LIFE, here and now.
When I feel myself like loosing contact with same, I execute a simple honing-in of my awareness. One should sit in a comfortable position, inbetween two empty flower-pots. To the left you should direct your "ego-stream" (replay) and to the right one - your fears and plans for the future. When you`ve pushed aside those two streams of your mind activity, you can sit in the middle, immersed in the abundance of the "ETERNAL PRESENT". Time is space and space is time!?
In some days, maybe I`d have more time to insert photos of "natural" sanctuaries (NYMPHAIONS), I`d discovered last spring, when in the Naxos island (Cyclades, Greece). I wonder, if the awareness of the Eternal Present could have been an important constituent of the Stone-Age sensitivity!? Take care...
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Hello Vlad, I'm just sitting here watching the wheels go round and round.
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I enjoyed the tang of salt air pervading your post Vlad, somehow I could tell you weren't writing from a dusty library.
For me it was not a boat, but a motorcycle that brought me into an awareness of the Present Moment.
Then I made the acquaintance of an artist who shared exactly the same awareness; the thing was, while I needed to hurtle about the countryside with 400lb of metal, and 2 gallons of petrol between my knees, he could manage the same trick with a stump of pencil.
Pencils are not known to generate much emergency surgery.
I thought about that quite a lot.
Later in life, I began to associate an awareness of the present, with being in my right brain, because, as an artist, I work mainly in that side of my head, (which has no language or notion of time).
My method then, was simply to approach the workbench, and start to tidy up ...
Once I watched a potter, and caught the very moment when his hands hit the revolving clay, and his face lost all its tension as he made the shift.
One thing we need to do if we wish to be anywhere near as sensitive of our environment as the ancients, is to eschew the sleeping pattern imposed by the industrial revolution, and have shorter periods of sleep, and of wakefulness.
Spiritual and physical health would benefit.
airybiker.
PS. Am I alone in thinking that the common appellation "Stone Age" is hardly likely to make us open to any subtle intelligence our forbears had?
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| Posted 18-07-2010 at 15:35
Hi; airybiker. How fine; it seems we are sailing along similar bearings. Now; here`s one of the unrecognized nymphaions of Naxos, I`ve promised to insert here.
This place lies at the monopati (a mule - track) between Chalki and Apano Kastro. A node of yin energies is "nearly" visible in the centre lower part of the photo. I`ve called this particular YIN quality - a "nymph`s milk". There are no traces of humans ever dressing those stones. Nature itself did that and only an experienced eye could appreciate such a small natural sanctuary, I suppose. A specially trained sensitivity had been needed when choosing one of such spots to be developed into a human-designed sacred place, where people and their gods could mingle; am I right or not!?
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A specially trained sensitivity had been needed when choosing one of such spots to be developed into a human-designed sacred place, where people and their gods could mingle; am I right or not!?
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All religious beliefs need training - any old priest/shaman/guru will do.
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On 2010-07-18 15:35, vlad wrote:
A specially trained sensitivity had been needed when choosing one of such spots to be developed into a human-designed sacred place, where people and their gods could mingle; am I right or not!?
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Only if you subscribe to the idea that circular arguments can make you right.
To explain, you show a photograph of some naturally eroded rocks, then say that using " specially trained sensitivity " an energy is perceivable here making it appropriate as a liminal area. However, only those with "specially trained sensitivity" can "see" the energy so this is only certifiable by those who already believe your right. Anybody who says your wrong because its just a photo of some rocks can be argued with by simply claiming they don't have " specially trained sensitivity " so are unable to comprehend the appropriateness of the place.
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On 2010-07-18 15:35, vlad wrote:
A specially trained sensitivity had been needed when choosing one of such spots to be developed into a human-designed sacred place, where people and their gods could mingle; am I right or not!?
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Only if you subscribe to the idea that circular arguments can make you right.
To explain, you show a photograph of some naturally eroded rocks, then say that using " specially trained sensitivity " an energy is perceivable here making it appropriate as a liminal area. However, only those with "specially trained sensitivity" can "see" the energy so this is only certifiable by those who already believe your right. Anybody who says your wrong because its just a photo of some rocks can be argued with by simply claiming they don't have " specially trained sensitivity " so are unable to comprehend the appropriateness of the place.
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Not by those who "believe" but by those who also can SEE, if they cannot see through fine sensitivity then they cannot comment.
just like You using a microscope and seeing fine details, unless I too have a microscope I have to take your word for it.
There will be very few who can see the energies via a photograph, it is far more hands on than that, imho.
But just as You can see similarities in areas due to working similer areas many times, thus certain people can recognise the effects of these energies as they form and create materials, to most they would be naturally erroded rocks.
cropredy
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