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tiompan
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On 2009-11-16 16:26, Peter-in-the-Peak wrote:
Hi holger,
I don't know? Is it?
This seems pretty solid to me:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/higherfeedback/story/0,11056,1027143,00.html
And maybe many fledgling ideas/conjectural starting points begin life as pseudo-science or at least look like it?
Do you think its valuable to explore possible patterns that these monuments exhibit?
I'm not talking about earth energy etc here...
Peter
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Whilst I don't accept the M.Y. it is in a totally different category to some of the videos and wilder stuff posted in the mysteries section .
I don't know but is the mysteries section open to any mystery ?,which appears to be the case , or just megalithic mysteries which surely would be more appropriate .
george
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| Posted 16-11-2009 at 20:40
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On 2009-11-16 16:26, Peter-in-the-Peak wrote:
Hi holger,
I don't know? Is it?
This seems pretty solid to me:
http://education.guardian.co.uk/higherfeedback/story/0,11056,1027143,00.html
And maybe many fledgling ideas/conjectural starting points begin life as pseudo-science or at least look like it?
Do you think its valuable to explore possible patterns that these monuments exhibit?
I'm not talking about earth energy etc here...
Peter
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peter,
you are right about the starting points, and as long as they belong into pseudo science, they fit better in the Mysteries section, imho.
If you look for possible patterns, go ahead. Good luck.
I will follow your ideas.
holger
p.s.: i would start a new thread, because 'Archaeo-astronomy question?' is not what your theory is about, right?
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On 2009-11-16 17:03, tiompan wrote:
Whilst I don't accept the M.Y. it is in a totally different category to some of the videos and wilder stuff posted in the mysteries section .
I don't know but is the mysteries section open to any mystery ?,which appears to be the case , or just megalithic mysteries which surely would be more appropriate .
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george,
by no means i am a moderator or something,
first off my english is too bad for any serious participation.
indeed there are loads of 'wilder stuff' in the m section,
and i wished there would be more theories that i could follow, lets say half way. the question appropriate or not is only , in the end, answered by the moderators.
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Megalithic Yards are OK for this forum.
The Mysteries forum is mostly anything goes as long the participants are not too rude to each other. 'Megalithic' mysteries are preferred but it's not easy to moderate one form of 'mystery' over another.
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| Posted 19-11-2009 at 12:40
No puzzle in the orientation of Greek temples - The Times.
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| Posted 19-11-2009 at 15:55
No comment ?
What is apparent about the Greek temple orientation is that they are all afaik ,( the temple to Hekate at Selonius is a possible exception ) aligned on an area of the horizon , mostly between 70 and 90 degrees , that allows sunlight to enter the building but rarely on the rising sun at solstice or equinox .That in itself is salient and shows an intention .
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No comment ?
What is apparent about the Greek temple orientation is that they are all afaik ,( the temple to Hekate at Selonius is a possible exception ) aligned on an area of the horizon , mostly between 70 and 90 degrees , that allows sunlight to enter the building but rarely on the rising sun at solstice or equinox .That in itself is salient and shows an intention.
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A bit of armchair archaeology with Google Maps and a protractor comes up with this...
28° Letoon Leto
28° Letoon Artemis
28° Letoon Apollo
50° Delphi Apollo
60° Didyma Apollo
60° Pergamon Athena
60° Olba Zeus
68° Corinth Apollo
70° Nemea Zeus
70° Aegina Aphaea
76° Athens Acropolis
77° Agrigento Castor and Pollux
78° Heraion of Samos
80° Agrigento Zeus
80° Agrigento Hera
80° Epidaurus Asklepeion
81° Olympia Zeus
83° Delos Apollo
84° Segesta
86° Agrigento Hephaestos
86° Olympia Hera
89° Agrigento Concordia
89° Agrigento Heracles
89° Agrigento Asclepius
90° Priene Athena
92° Paestum Athena
94° Paestum Hera 1
94° Paestum Hera 2
94° Selinus C
95° Selinus F
95° Selinus E
95° Selinus D
95° Cyrene Zeus
97° Selinus G
98° Selinus A
99° Selinus O
100° Metapontum Tavole Palatine
104° Athens Hephaestos
105° Assos Athena
108° Claros Apollo
108° Ephesus Artemis
115° Sardis Athena
140° Lagina Hecate
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On 2009-11-30 14:15, davidmorgan wrote:
[quote]On 2009-11-19 15:55, tiompan wrote:
No comment ?
What is apparent about the Greek temple orientation is that they are all afaik ,( the temple to Hekate at Selonius is a possible exception ) aligned on an area of the horizon , mostly between 70 and 90 degrees , that allows sunlight to enter the building but rarely on the rising sun at solstice or equinox .That in itself is salient and shows an intention.
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A bit of armchair archaeology with Google Maps and a protractor comes up with this...
28° Letoon Leto
28° Letoon Artemis
28° Letoon Apollo
50° Delphi Apollo
60° Didyma Apollo
60° Pergamon Athena
60° Olba Zeus
68° Corinth Apollo
70° Nemea Zeus
70° Aegina Aphaea
76° Athens Acropolis
77° Agrigento Castor and Pollux
78° Heraion of Samos
80° Agrigento Zeus
80° Agrigento Hera
80° Epidaurus Asklepeion
81° Olympia Zeus
83° Delos Apollo
84° Segesta
86° Agrigento Hephaestos
86° Olympia Hera
89° Agrigento Concordia
89° Agrigento Heracles
89° Agrigento Asclepius
90° Priene Athena
92° Paestum Athena
94° Paestum Hera 1
94° Paestum Hera 2
94° Selinus C
95° Selinus F
95° Selinus E
95° Selinus D
95° Cyrene Zeus
97° Selinus G
98° Selinus A
99° Selinus O
100° Metapontum Tavole Palatine
104° Athens Hephaestos
105° Assos Athena
108° Claros Apollo
108° Ephesus Artemis
115° Sardis Athena
140° Lagina Hecate
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If I had known you were going to go to the bother I could have sent the info . But it's more satisfying to do it for yourself . GE also has a bearing which seems to be relatively accurate for high res areas so no need for the protractor . any more .Still no comment ?
George
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I don't think it really adds up to much intent. If they were sun worshippers they might have tried harder for alignments, but since they weren't I don't see any connection.
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On 2009-12-01 11:53, davidmorgan wrote:
[quote]On 2009-11-30 15:21, tiompan wrote:
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I don't think it really adds up to much intent. If they were sun worshippers they might have tried harder for alignments, but since they weren't I don't see any connection.
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I disagree , with the exception of four the rest are oriented on a 65 degree arc of the horizon , well over half are oriented between 70 and 100 degrees that seems a clear message to me . If it was a case of having the sun enter on a specific day then it's the declination that matters , the bearing is only one component of that .As it is there is no similarity in declinations . It does not necessarily indicate worship or observation but it is obviously not a random choice and is probably associated with light entering the building .
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I think the geographical layout of the cities needs to be taken into account. Did the settlement come first or the temple?
For instance, most of Selinus' temples are aligned to the city's grid.
I don't think one can come to a conclusion just based on their alignments. It could mean that they wanted more shade in the midday sun. Who knows, without any documentation?
Basically, I'm agnostic, tending to disbelief.
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If you've got any more temples at hand? I can't make out the other 3 temples at Metapontum.
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On 2009-12-01 14:00, davidmorgan wrote:
I think the geographical layout of the cities needs to be taken into account. Did the settlement come first or the temple?
For instance, most of Selinus' temples are aligned to the city's grid.
I don't think one can come to a conclusion just based on their alignments. It could mean that they wanted more shade in the midday sun. Who knows, without any documentation?
Basically, I'm agnostic, tending to disbelief.
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If you've got any more temples at hand? I can't make out the other 3 temples at Metapontum.
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A good example of playing with light in Greek buildings is the recent discovery that the Treasury of Atreus allows light into the chamber at the equinox . There is also the possibility that it is coincidence but when you consider Minoan graves are often facing east and the majority of Greek temples follow suit it looks like there is something intentional .Orientation of funerary and religious buildings is common in many cultures , what it signifies is more difficult to work out . Christian churches tend be similar to Greek temples in that they also face roughly east west but we know why ,similarly muslims face mecca whilst praying , neither would consider themselves sun worshippers or influenced by the heavens . Sorry , can't help with Metapontum ,in fact you actually added to the list with the 28 degree examples which I didn't have
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The Hieron at Samothrace is 340°!
I've just found a good list of Greek temples:
http://www.sitesandphotos.com/catalog/parent-144905.html
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The oddities are the ones to investigate . Most Orkney- Cromarty cairns are like Greek temples in that they face the part of the sky that sun can be seen to rise or set and mainly clustered around around 70-100 degrees but there are the odd ones that face areas of the horizon where there the sun doesn't shine ,or moon for that matter . Michael Hoskin has investigated the orientations of hundreds of temples ,passage graves ,tholos in southern Europe and the vast majority avoid the area of the horizon without a sunrise or set .
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On 2009-11-04 05:00, cerrig wrote:
careful Aisling, you'll be accused of having gone to university if you're not careful, like wot i did.
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Hi all
i'm new so plead ignorance for jumping in.
I can't write well as my education was at the university of life, but there i learned that planatery movment affected earth energy, the debate here is like that of pylons or phone masts, everyone looks up and no one looks where the legs are planted.
At a solstice for instance earth energy is on the cusp of change from weak to strong or from strong to weak. Now before you can say which is which your post or zip code is required because if you live in the northern hemisphere the strongest day of the year in earth energy is December 25th in the evening. But if you live in New Zealand December 25th will be the weakest day of the year .
If there is a eclipse for example that sends things sidways in terms of earth energy and at the total eclipse of 99 in the Uk the earths energy started moving strangly from a month before to a month after. At the very moment of eclipse one earth energy vanished completly for about a second or two and it took a month in exact reverse order to return to "normal". Astrology is based on the basic principle there is change of earth energy daily in fact hourly and the wise guys knew that. Meeting a tall dark stranger these days is likly to mean bumping into a baliff,
Astrologers today have no concept of the effect planets have on the earths energy nor know anything about earth energy its cycle or its importance. They rely on set periods of planet movment and pridct the likly outcome. Well they did once upon a time anyway. The next big thing is the 21st of december 2012. Actually its the end of a 2.600 planet cycle we repeat every day.
As it happens it's my birthday tomorrow, i'm going to get lashed again as usual as the energy of every minute of tomorrow will never be the same for 2,600 years give or take a weekend so i'm going to enjoy it this time round.
Circle builders had to know this stuff, were every post or stone went what its use was and when. Pyramids are easy peasy if you can get large amounts of stone moved. They don't have to do aything except point up. A fool could build a pyramid, to make one work is a differant matter. The Pyramids today don't work, they havent for a long time thats why burials in pyramids stoped, they went back to the old ways the proven ways of getting the soul in the "heavens by using the underworld. A practise we follow today for our dead which is based on entirly the same principle. Even Cremation as opposed to burial is based on a very simple principle that smoke rises to the heavens. Sky burial is based on the principle birds fly in the heavens and can take the soul there. None of this is rocket science its earth science N.A.S.A just hasent learned yet.
The best discription of planatery movment and the effect on earth energy and people is Lunacy. As they say it's all in the stars its just a pity were not all singing from the same song sheet.
Best wishes
Geofizz
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hi geofizz
you may be better off posting your thoughts in the mystery's section, it is reserved for anything like dowsing and earth mystery's in general,so probably more in your area of interest.
welcome
cerrig
ps. i hope you aren't too sensitive.
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Nabta Playa.
Malville, J.M., et al., Megaliths and Neolithic Astronomy In Southern Egypt, Nature, 392, pages 488-491, Apr 1998
Wendorf, F., and Schild, R., Late Neolithic Megalithic Structures at Nabta Playa, Comparative Archaeology, Mar 1998
Wendorf, F., et al., Holocene Settlement of the Egyptian Sahara: The Archaeology of Nabta Playa, 2001
Brophy, T.G.., The Origin Map: Discovery of a Prehistoric Megalithic Astrophysical Map and Sculpture of the Universe, 2002
Brophy, T.G., and Rosen, P.A., 203.3507B]Satellite Imagery Measures of the Astronomically Aligned Megaliths at Nabta Playa, Bulletin of the American Astronomical Society, Volume 35, Page 1259, 2003
Malville, J.M., et al., Astronomy of Nabta Playa, Astrophysics and Space Science Proceedings: African Cultural Astronomy, Pages 131-143, Jan 2008
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>I've just found a good list of Greek temples:
http://www.sitesandphotos.com/catalog/parent-144905.html
Useful list but I wish they would give long/lats so we could add them to our map.
We probably have a good many of these already thanks to Alex and others.
David - do we have all the temples in your list that you gave Google earth locations for?
Recording the orientation of them is very interesting and I'd welcome adding this information to our database (although it would have to be as text only though)
...and yes please stick to the 'Mysteries' forum below for more 'earth mystery' discussions Geofizz
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David - do we have all the temples in your list that you gave Google earth locations for?
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I'm gradually looking into this. But you know me, Andy, I normally like to have visited a place and have photos before I post a site. However, in this case I'll see what I can do.
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I'm tempted to get this book - The Complete Greek Temples.
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