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Dowser
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On 2009-12-18 16:30, cropredy wrote:
I myself favour an inter dimensional portal system, this is the megalithic portal is it not?
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Something like this is written in "Pyramid textes" :"I bent these thy rays, build one hill after which I will come to the temple of my father, Ra." Not sure if good translated,but sense is obvious.They knew,how to bent these rays...I also,but,unfortunately I don't know what to do with this.....
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| Posted 18-12-2009 at 19:42
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On 2009-12-18 18:28, Dowser wrote:
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On 2009-12-18 16:30, cropredy wrote:
I myself favour an inter dimensional portal system, this is the megalithic portal is it not?
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Something like this is written in "Pyramid textes" :"I bent these thy rays, build one hill after which I will come to the temple of my father, Ra." Not sure if good translated,but sense is obvious.They knew,how to bent these rays...I also,but,unfortunately I don't know what to do with this.....
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Balance, as they showed with the scales, the heart is our centre chakra point( pinch point)
It needs a balanced field, We need to re-learn how to achieve this.
The henges were for precisely this, imho.
The cup and ring marks were to locally identify the points of opposite either spiralling clockwise or counter clockwise( has anyone checked the rotation directions of spirals( edge to edge of circulations)?
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On 2009-12-18 19:42, cropredy wrote:
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On 2009-12-18 18:28, Dowser wrote:
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On 2009-12-18 16:30, cropredy wrote:
I myself favour an inter dimensional portal system, this is the megalithic portal is it not?
kevin
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Something like this is written in "Pyramid textes" :"I bent these thy rays, build one hill after which I will come to the temple of my father, Ra." Not sure if good translated,but sense is obvious.They knew,how to bent these rays...I also,but,unfortunately I don't know what to do with this.....
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Balance, as they showed with the scales, the heart is our centre chakra point( pinch point)
It needs a balanced field, We need to re-learn how to achieve this.
The henges were for precisely this, imho.
The cup and ring marks were to locally identify the points of opposite either spiralling clockwise or counter clockwise( has anyone checked the rotation directions of spirals( edge to edge of circulations)?
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Do you think that there is a possibility that your opinion may be wrong in relation to this or can you think of anything that might make you change your mind about it ?
George
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| Posted 18-12-2009 at 20:43
What makes you suggest he is wrong George? Do you have a differing view that negates this suggestion? Personally I think all henges were multi-purpose. I notice a great many people visit henges and spiritual places in modern times in order to try to find balance. They do it in a number of ways. Can you be so certain this did not happen in the past as to wish to convince someone otherwise?
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| Posted 18-12-2009 at 20:44
Tiompan,
If whilst driving along a motorway You are going with all the other vehicles, are You sure that is the case, is there anything that will change your mind about been correct?
You appear obsessed with asking Me if I am ceratin, Yes I am, if I find anything to the contery, you will see Me hoist a flag and whoop great shouts of relief.
I never stop trying to find something that contradicts this matrix.
Malta appears to give a fabulous confined set of verifiable evidences with checkable orientations and positions, imo it should be carefully and skillfully checked.
I don't agree with them been temples, or observatories, but temple functions and observations may have been part of a complex series of reasons for them.
I KNOW without even going near them what they will have been constructed to chiefly interact with, and the cyclic nature of that looks like it is clear on Malta, a slow move about in line with the churning heavens, and that needs not be over the vast time they are quoting on those links, if You know how to tame the serpents, as in the UK, then a series of such constructions will act in series to balance out the local serpent flows, thus all will find abundance and fertility.
isn't that exactly what is needed, so that all can flourish, all over the globe?
Even at the equator I reckopn by achieving balance all will flourish, but You may need very large henges or pyramids.
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On 2009-12-18 20:43, Venutius wrote:
What makes you suggest he is wrong George? Do you have a differing view that negates this suggestion? Personally I think all henges were multi-purpose. I notice a great many people visit henges and spiritual places in modern times in order to try to find balance. They do it in a number of ways. Can you be so certain this did not happen in the past as to wish to convince someone otherwise?
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I just used more words to say similer, and we posted almost together so I hadn't seen your post.
gret minds think alike.
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On 2009-12-18 20:43, Venutius wrote:
What makes you suggest he is wrong George? Do you have a differing view that negates this suggestion? Personally I think all henges were multi-purpose. I notice a great many people visit henges and spiritual places in modern times in order to try to find balance. They do it in a number of ways. Can you be so certain this did not happen in the past as to wish to convince someone otherwise?
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Where do I suggest he is wrong ?
How can I ? ,the only possible answer is " I believe you are wrong becuse that's what I believe " which is as helpful as the original suggestion I can no more disprove that henges were where ufo's landed than disprove that kind of suggestion , or the suggestion be proved right . That's the whole point ,you can argue forever over that sort of stuff . Or , it doesn't mean it is right because you can't disprove it . I wouldn't judge the behaviour of one group of early 21st C moderns as being any better a guide to the original function(s) of henges than any other . Henges may have been multi purpose ? it would be interesting to hear a case for that .
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| Posted 18-12-2009 at 22:49
I think that henges were places which occasionally were the locations for gatherings. I believe these gatherings had multiple roles with the community. Putting aside any discussion regarding a spiritual aspect, gatherings within a comunity basis pretty much always serve multiple roles, they acknowledge and support systems of rules, they provide opportunities for trade and for discourse, and for resolving inter-communal disputes.
Outside of these gatherings, we also have the more individual relationship between the structure and the local inhabitants, some of whom will have been involved in the construction and maintenance of the structures, others will have buried their kinfolk there. In these few lines it is clear to see that a henge will have had multiple purposes and roles, and that individuals would have had differing relationships with the structures and as such the structure served differing purposes for those that attended them.
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On 2009-12-18 22:36, tiompan wrote:
Where do I suggest he is wrong ?
How can I ? ,the only possible answer is " I believe you are wrong becuse that's what I believe " which is as helpful as the original suggestion I can no more disprove that henges were where ufo's landed than disprove that kind of suggestion , or the suggestion be proved right . That's the whole point ,you can argue forever over that sort of stuff . Or , it doesn't mean it is right because you can't disprove it . I wouldn't judge the behaviour of one group of early 21st C moderns as being any better a guide to the original function(s) of henges than any other . Henges may have been multi purpose ? it would be interesting to hear a case for that .
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It's a pity that I could not go with you to the stone circle and show you from where are taken my assumptions.
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| Posted 18-12-2009 at 22:59
And my appologies for mis-interpreting your post George. Having re-read it I can see all you were asking was if Crop thought he might change his mind.
I don't find what Kev says so difficult to understand. I think he is saying little different than people came to henges in order to meditate, and that their design was intended to help create an atmoshere likely to enable an individual to focus of such things and to successfully achieve such things as have been called "balance" and "harmony". Kev's view is one of an energetic basis to this, but it's not an exclusive one. You don't need to be an expert dowser in order to feel the spirit of a place and to realise that many such places hold deep meaning for the individual. It is after all why we fight over them to this day.
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On 2009-12-18 22:59, Venutius wrote:
And my appologies for mis-interpreting your post George. Having re-read it I can see all you were asking was if Crop thought he might change his mind.
I don't find what Kev says so difficult to understand. I think he is saying little different than people came to henges in order to meditate, and that their design was intended to help create an atmoshere likely to enable an individual to focus of such things and to successfully achieve such things as have been called "balance" and "harmony". Kev's view is one of an energetic basis to this, but it's not an exclusive one. You don't need to be an expert dowser in order to feel the spirit of a place and to realise that many such places hold deep meaning for the individual. It is after all why we fight over them to this day.
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Or henges were built as a symbol of a group or individual's power. They don't have to be "nice" places. Is it possible that because some modern people see them as spiritual places that the perception is transferred onto the people who built them?
Many historically recorded monuments are the result of an individual's ability to control people not as community benefits (the pyramids being one example). Now many monuments are within beautiful rural landscapes and are extremely evocative, but it seem (from excavations) that they may well have resembled building sites during their use with all sorts of different activities taking place including remodelling, digging pits, etc.
There is a prevailing attitude that these places are sacred, healing, spiritual and special. However in the past they were the focus of quite intense activity which may have made them about as urban as you could get in the Bronze Age.
I think it may not be best to place only one set of modern values onto these monuments and not to consider other aspects of societies use of large scale building works.
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On 2009-12-19 15:55, karloff wrote:
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And my appologies for mis-interpreting your post George. Having re-read it I can see all you were asking was if Crop thought he might change his mind.
I don't find what Kev says so difficult to understand. I think he is saying little different than people came to henges in order to meditate, and that their design was intended to help create an atmoshere likely to enable an individual to focus of such things and to successfully achieve such things as have been called "balance" and "harmony". Kev's view is one of an energetic basis to this, but it's not an exclusive one. You don't need to be an expert dowser in order to feel the spirit of a place and to realise that many such places hold deep meaning for the individual. It is after all why we fight over them to this day.
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Or henges were built as a symbol of a group or individual's power. They don't have to be "nice" places. Is it possible that because some modern people see them as spiritual places that the perception is transferred onto the people who built them?
Many historically recorded monuments are the result of an individual's ability to control people not as community benefits (the pyramids being one example). Now many monuments are within beautiful rural landscapes and are extremely evocative, but it seem (from excavations) that they may well have resembled building sites during their use with all sorts of different activities taking place including remodelling, digging pits, etc.
There is a prevailing attitude that these places are sacred, healing, spiritual and special. However in the past they were the focus of quite intense activity which may have made them about as urban as you could get in the Bronze Age.
I think it may not be best to place only one set of modern values onto these monuments and not to consider other aspects of societies use of large scale building works.
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Henges are relatively "clean " and certainly not associated with funerary activity , but there are also some elements that may not fit into the "mediative " frame other than something for us to mediate on i.e the dwarf burial at Avebury , central burial of a child at Woodhenge , 2 infant burials among animal bones at Mount Pleasant . These examples may all be perfectrly innocent "deposits " but there is a possibility that they may well represent something else and no less reason to fight for their preservation .
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Either way, all Kev is saying is that he agrees with those that see tham as places for finding balance. Which seems to be the majority of people who visit these places, from my personal experience. They may all express this in different ways but it's definately a common theme. One that some don't want to explore and would prefer that others did not explore it.
I'm pretty sure henges were places of power also. As I said, i think they were multi-functional of many levels.
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On 2009-12-19 20:21, Venutius wrote:
Either way, all Kev is saying is that he agrees with those that see tham as places for finding balance. Which seems to be the majority of people who visit these places, from my personal experience. They may all express this in different ways but it's definately a common theme. One that some don't want to explore and would prefer that others did not explore it.
I'm pretty sure henges were places of power also. As I said, i think they were multi-functional of many levels.
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I'm surprised , I would have thought that the most common type of henge visitor would be there primarily out of an interest in the site itself rather than for it's "balancing" effects on them .
Is it not more likely at the more famous sites ,Thornborough , Woodhenge ,but it would be rare at Loch Achilty or one of the Conon henges even Ballynahatty .
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| Posted 19-12-2009 at 21:09
IMHO,
The henges were accumulators and seperators of a dualistic set of flows.
Within the interior portion of the henges I detect a variable number of geometric points that are further found by dowsing to exhibit clockwise or counter clockwise rotations and spiral routes in/out of them.
The contents of these circulations naturally flow on top of each other, and dissipate out into a very complex and everywhere geometric blanket coverage system where the duality is the feed to enable creation to occur and be maintained.
The embankments and ditchs ALWAYS mirror the local overall interferance patterns created by the single( circuler) or multiple points, often the natural land dimensions have also taken on this feature.
The embankments and ditchs seperate apart and concentrate the two opposite flows, the lower flow going into the ditch area, and the upper flow going up onto the top of the embankment.
I would not recommend spending too much time in either location as You are liable to take on an upsurge in either opposite spin charges.
If the romans or whoever fortified the embankments and then spent long periods on them, I suspect that they will have slowly become ever more aggresive and war like due to the upper flow been male in essence.
I honestly doubt that the origonal builders spent any more than needed on these areas.
I consider that the fill of the embankment was carefully undertaken and very carefull laying of stones at the exits was undertaken, the materials and stones been hand picked and laid to tease in specific direction the flows.
i also suspect that if later wooden defences were added that they would have burnt down due to cyclic overloads in this concentrated area, vitrification been due to transmutation or change of state due to these concentrated areas.
I follow the flows out of the exits to external detectable spiral points, that is where the barrows will have been, there is further detectable features that occurs across long barrows, so the exact and precise alignment and positioning is easy to determine, its a system that I check regurally.
At variable times the whole system varies relative to movements and timings in the heavens, the different exits then will have risen or fallen in potential as a whole 360 encapsulation was achieved by the henges this means that a high flow rate could be maintained.
Then balance of the local area around the henge could be undertaken by utilising the insulated barrows, either of the flows could be earthed or allowed to flood out about the local surrounding areas.
As We currently don't recognise this all is occuring i appreciate how difficult it is to contemplate.
the cup and ring markings imho identify the local points and natural flow patterns observable or detectable in the view span of the stones.
I consider these flows are our very selves nature, our 3d biological bodies are vessels to contain a portion of these flows, they constantly feed and nourish our selves and we report into the larger scale flows, and take information from them, they exist in a higher geometric dimension than 3D
The flows including ourselves permeate all matter in 3D, but interact with that matter, and are affected by the consequences of whatever the matter causes, hence the feelings near stones and trees, You are sensing the cause and local effect that they create in the flows local to them.
Crystal locally in variant manners hold the flows in sponge like fashion, as do the stones and wood, but the wood needs to be cut at precise time and placed correctly in the vertical plane to achieve correct interactions with the flows relative to their positioning.
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| Posted 19-12-2009 at 21:26
magic ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkpenzFNbpk
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| Posted 20-12-2009 at 15:55
These are mighty fancy rockart?
http://www.humanresonance.org/mana.html
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| Posted 20-12-2009 at 16:39
some more interesting rock or stone art
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Paul,
Its a real shame that they haven't identified and specified which carved ball is made of what, and then shown the intricate patterns on them that dowser could have done?
http://ads/ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_108/108_040_072.pdf
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On 2009-12-20 17:06, cropredy wrote:
href="http://ads/ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_108/108_040_072.pdf" target="_blank" target="_new">http://ads/ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/adsdata/PSAS_2002/pdf/vol_108/108_040_072.pdf
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