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|  Posted 25-10-2009 at 18:36
I`ve got a theory for those marks on a stone in Alps, where one line was older and covered with lichen and another contained deeper newer rectangle holes. PERCHTAS` RUN (Perchtenlauf) markers is my hypothese. Now I take a hide from your projectils... good night.
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 18:41
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On 2009-10-25 17:17, Chyknel2 wrote:
"But this time you BUY and put the MAGENTA FILTER on your objective."
I have a sinking feeling you are about to add... "My giraffe is on fire"....
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"Whats more your'e monkeys on fire "Flying South by Benny Hill .
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 19:37
Revenons a nos moutons...
Cup and ring marks..whether there were made some comparative studies of the dimensions of cup and ring marks? Are there any data on this topic ?
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 20:17
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On 2009-10-25 19:37, Dowser wrote:
Revenons a nos moutons...
Cup and ring marks..whether there were made some comparative studies of the dimensions of cup and ring marks? Are there any data on this topic ?
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Anything I haave ever found is measured for depth and width and most people who find or record rock art will do the same there is therefore a huge database of cup mark measurements . Alexander Thom using a small database believed that there was a common unit of measurement , the megalithic inch , . I can't think of anyone aware of some of the greater database , who would agree with his findings . I'm sure the same situation will prevail elsewhere , those who have the data and experience , failing to to notice a common unit or patterning whilst someone who has looked at a few drawings/pics will come up with a mathematical/mystical/geometric/astronomical/topographical explanation for the carvings .
George
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 20:24
Here`s a good example
It comes from http://2place.org/wiki/File:Annotated.jpg, which I reached through tiompan`s hints. How do you think, what does it represent. Is it a symbol of something lofty and worshipped or stands for a constellation!? Or from other angle; is it an abstraction or a direct reading of chi- flows in the surface of the stone!? At last; is the term "animistic art" in use!?
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 20:47
Vlad - maybe you have seen it before but this site is very good :
http://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/era/
it was posted here a while back by George or Karloff, I think. Go to 'Rock Art Gallery' to see images of rock art. If you click on 'view ERA record' on any image you will see further information on the site.
EDIT: from there you can click on 'details' in the left-hand menu and see the sort of info you're probably after.
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 21:02
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On 2009-10-25 20:24, vlad wrote:
Here`s a good example
It comes from http://2place.org/wiki/File:Annotated.jpg, which I reached through tiompan`s hints. How do you think, what does it represent. Is it a symbol of something lofty and worshipped or stands for a constellation!? Or from other angle; is it an abstraction or a direct reading of chi- flows in the surface of the stone!? At last; is the term "animistic art" in use!?
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There's a good selection of pics of the same surface here .
http://rockartuk.fotopic.net/c744878.html
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 21:07
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On 2009-10-25 20:17, tiompan wrote:
there is therefore a huge database of cup mark measurements .>-------------> Where? Pleeeeeease!
Alexander Thom using a small database believed that there was a common unit of measurement , the megalithic inch , >---------------->The same unit all over the world,during 175000 years?! Absurd! .
mathematical/mystical/geometric/astronomical/topographical explanation for the carvings .>------------> You do not write about physics and chemistry ....is it coincidence?
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 21:20
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On 2009-10-25 21:07, Dowser wrote:
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On 2009-10-25 20:17, tiompan wrote:
there is therefore a huge database of cup mark measurements .>-------------> Where? Pleeeeeease!
Alexander Thom using a small database believed that there was a common unit of measurement , the megalithic inch , >---------------->The same unit all over the world,during 175000 years?! Absurd! .
mathematical/mystical/geometric/astronomical/topographical explanation for the carvings .>------------> You do not write about physics and chemistry ....is it coincidence?
George
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Here are two UK archives , the first you will have to search for "cup marks ,cup and ring markings " etc first then depending on who did the recording you may get some dimensions .
http://www.rcahms.gov.uk/
http://rockart.ncl.ac.uk/
Gravity and mineral content yes . But I have never come across a theory involving theoretical physics or chemistry as an explanation for rock art . Don't tell me , " 60000 years before Heisenberg a marked rock ........"
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 21:32
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On 2009-10-25 20:24, vlad wrote:
Here`s a good example
:which I reached through tiompan`s hints. How do you think, what does it represent. Is it a symbol of something lofty and worshipped or stands for a constellation!? Or from other angle; is it an abstraction or a direct reading of chi- flows in the surface of the stone!? At last; is the term "animistic art" in use!?
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>----------------> It is not a symbol.not abstraction,not animistic or other art......direct reading of chi-flows,yes something around it.
Only someone who slept on the lessons of physics can not see the obvious things here....At the beginning of this thread I asked what are the REAL arguments supporting human action in creating a cup and ring marks ... no one answered yet
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 21:41
I suppose you know what I vote for. The patterns come from the direct reading of chi-flows in the rock surface. There are some more empty places, where one could ACTUALIZE the presence of those energies in a similar way. And those cups with no or few rings are also encircled by invisible larger and larger rings.
Now the symbolic value of those patterns. As I followed the transformations of such patterns under seasons in a larger scale, at some major sanctuaries of Greece, I can say the following. That place was chosen because there are stable mini-patterns of BEGINNING OF LIFE (or vegetation) at ones`s disposal. And they can be used for a symbolic attribution. My first hypothese would be that it`s a protocol of dividing the fecundity potential (chi) of this area among the families using it!?
The cup space and carved-out circles coincide with invisible patterns of yin quality. circular leftovers coincide with yang quality, as well as the "penises" entering cups, within which the process of sacred marriage takes place. Yang is no more detectable therein; it` s "engaged". It reappears first further on. All single lines around are yang, too. And under that general term, I mean here human crown-chakra ("power over a territory"), interacting with those yang patterns. It`s not always like that; e.g. oracle sites reveal other interactions.
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 21:42
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On 2009-10-25 21:20, tiompan wrote:
Gravity and mineral content yes . Don't tell me , " 60000 years before Heisenberg a marked rock ........"
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>> Gravity...rather not.Mineral content surely has influence here.
I'm not telling "60000 years before heisenberg.."... but I tell that there is a single, common cause that formed cup and ring marks. I do not exclude the possibility that our ancestors did a copy of these characters...it may be.
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 21:56
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.At the beginning of this thread I asked what are the REAL arguments supporting human action in creating a cup and ring marks ... no one answered yet
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They probably thought it too obvious .
George
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 21:56
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On 2009-10-25 20:47, mynd wrote:
Vlad - maybe you have seen it before but this site is very good :
http://archaeologydataservice.ac.uk/era/
it was posted here a while back by George or Karloff, I think. Go to 'Rock Art Gallery' to see images of rock art. If you click on 'view ERA record' on any image you will see further information on the site.
EDIT: from there you can click on 'details' in the left-hand menu and see the sort of info you're probably after.
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Don't use the advanced search on ERA its not very... advanced. An update should be going live soon with massive improvements on mapping, the data, searches and dozens of other tweaks.
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 22:00
Dowser,
I consider that the cup and ring marks in that panel are depicting the observable field of view, detectable major points of the geometry and the major flow directions between the points.
If I stand and view any such area I simply think to myself "where are the power points"
I can then quickly triangulate those points with ease and go to them individually.
The geometry creates polygons around the central point, and each points geometry is individual, some create a pathway to and from the central point, others at differing radius have major circulations that skim around that radius and travel on to the next point.
If I fix onto a local major flow I can follow it as it meanders about such geometry, there is lots of other flows locally that feed to every blade of grass, litterally, but it is the larger scale that is been depicted imho.
Basically I consider they are local maps, the ideal senario would be for several dowsers who were practised enough to do this to individually plot out the field of view of such a panel, thus an overhead plot of what they mark could be compared to the ancient panel .
If there was a match, and if several dowsers independantly made the match, perhaps, just perhaps others would take notice???????????
Getting a few dowsers together will be the hardest part of such though, and they would need to practise together so that they all were picking up the same signals.
That of course in a tribe situation of many years ago would have been far easier to arrange than today .
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 22:12
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They probably thought it too obvious .
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well....the 104 has certainly expanded to night George
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| Posted 25-10-2009 at 22:28
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On 2009-10-25 21:56, tiompan wrote:
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They probably thought it too obvious .
George
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>--------------> Is it your argument,too?
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On 2009-10-25 22:28, Dowser wrote:
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On 2009-10-25 21:56, tiompan wrote:
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.At the beginning of this thread I asked what are the REAL arguments supporting human action in creating a cup and ring marks ... no one answered yet
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They probably thought it too obvious .
George
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>--------------> Is it your argument,too?
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Are you saying that there might be a case for supportin "non human action "?
George
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| Posted 26-10-2009 at 06:35
"In my reading of the chi-field, ..yin- and yang- paths (lines) of .. When the yang core is rather thin, you go across a sandwich of (yin path- yang line- yin path),Well; it`s still yang as a whole, despite the enveloping yin-paths being much broader.. . a male (yang) path, .. lower-tao zone never neighbours a yang-line. "
Have people dowsed a Feng Shui pathway of a dragon and found yin-yang tao sandwiches?
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| Posted 26-10-2009 at 07:38
A "sandwich" is a concession for cropredy`s vision. Well; one should have one`s own environment under control, doing checks 4 or 8 times a year at major male and female-dominated natural sacred places (nsp`s). SCANNING of an own territory using photomaps is also rewarding; it`s maybe better than a shaman`s flight.
There are reasons why it`s not good to do that. Summarily, I don`t want to be a shaman sitting with a map of his territory painted on a drum, in a trance in his tent. So I`m checking around only what I`m reacting with in my everyday life. On excursions in Greece, optimally I`m visiting a sacred place twice - one time in autumn and another in the spring. Visiting Argolid, Korinthia, Thebais and Minyas this September I took 600 PHOTOS in a 10 days`period. Then; scanning Google Earth photomaps at home, I`m as if present both in the plated reality and "hovering" in that map. It helps much to select what`s most important in the local chi-field.
My concept about protocol of assignment of the fecundity potential to families living around is partially similar to that of cropredy`s map of environment. You just take those cups for tents, where those families live around. But there`s not much freedom of choosing among "invisible" cups upon the stone surface, to be carved out. There are maybe only 4 or 5 free to be actualized through carving. To accept cropredy`s concept of a map would mean that the model of chi-field revealed in the stone`s surface is being repeated in larger scale again (and other way round!?) Just give me the COORDINATES and I`ll write out two higher planes of the field. And then we`ll see if cropredy is right.
Previously, my concept of a STABLE MATRIX was a "reading" version of Hartmann and Dr. Curry`s nets - c.f. German school of "earth radiations". There`s one in my article "Back to Goddess" on www. geomantica.com (Issue 39). Don`t laugh at the bias of the article. There are people around, actually, who interact with local invisible "wardens" of the chi-field nodes. I can live with that... or even build bridges to such types of vision.
Here`s my reading of the Stone-Age carver`s INSIGHT, actualized in the Wheetmoor stone. Cups`positions are as if stabilizing the rest of the chi-field. Inside, vertical yin field can grow in intensity in the spring and the horizontal yang "penises" are teeming with seed. In March, the production of orbs (lower tao) commences - the major dynamic element of the chi-field. Well; if paulcmuir stopped looking for some celestial connections, he could help us much with his orb-experience.
P.S. Chimera; Feng-shui starts from the physical world and goes towards the Invisible. My starting platform is more pythagorean, platonian or simply "crystalline". I`d meet dragons, when personifying the dynamics of the chi-field.
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