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mynd
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|  Posted 29-09-2009 at 17:26
"The holographic prardigm also has implications for so-called hard sciences like biology. Keith Floyd, a psychologist at Virginia Intermont College, has pointed out that if the concreteness of reality is but a holographic illusion, it would no longer be true to say the brain produces consciousness. Rather, it is consciousness that creates the appearance of the brain -- as well as the body and everything else around us we interpret as physical. Such a turnabout in the way we view biological structures has caused researchers to point out that medicine and our understanding of the healing process could also be transformed by the holographic paradigm. If the apparent physical structure of the body is but a holographic projection of consciousness, it becomes clear that each of us is much more responsible for our health than current medical wisdom allows. What we now view as miraculous remissions of disease may actually be due to changes in consciousness which in turn effect changes in the hologram of the body."
http://www.earthportals.com/hologram.html
As i posted in the hologram thread. I did ask Kev if we were just imagining ourselves...
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| Posted 29-09-2009 at 17:32
I hate to say - but this idea actually fits in with something I have been trying to work out. It helps to have it told in a plausible manner 
But I don't want to be an ethereal blob receiving transmissions. Oh god - my ego is doing somersaults - running screaming to the holographic hills.
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| Posted 01-10-2009 at 19:30
I think Shaman work on energy, which they see in personalised form. From my limited experience there are different sorts of Shaman. Some work through dance, others work through sound, drugs also play their part, but are not essential. The aim of the Shaman apears to be to create within themselves a divine trance state wherebye they tune into and become controlled by the energies they are working on.
I've attended a few Shamanic workshops but to be honest the most powerful Shaman I've encountered have been in nightclubs or music festivals. I doubt most of them would call themselves Shaman though and technically there is a difference. A traditional Shaman has a deeper understanding of the spirits that are driving them due to their passed on heritage. Modern western Shaman just like making music or dancing and seem to have little knowledge of the spirits they are working with.
So as I see it, a modern shaman works on energies, but a traditional shaman would also personalise those energies and in so doing gain a more powerful experience.
Just my own personal sixpence worth.
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| Posted 01-10-2009 at 21:29
Hello Venutius. So would you say shamanism is more about 'lifting spirits' generally than healing specifically? Or, say, manipulating people's spirits? By spirits I mean those of people involved and not external elements that may or may not be only imagined.
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| Posted 01-10-2009 at 21:57
I think Shamanism works on multiple levels. By drawing energy through then and in the general environment around them, there are particular healing affects that can be enjoyed by all. In addition, that healing can be made more specific if the energies being drawn came with personality.
For example, it would not surprise me if certain tribes had shamanistic formed relations with weather spirits and believe they can be called on for help in some way.
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| Posted 01-10-2009 at 22:13
i don't know if this will help with the original enquiry or not, it's from my own experiences as a reiki healer.
with some people a form of physical relief can be reached very quickly and without any real effort at all. almost an instant reaction.
other people are very different, i can knock myself out and spend as much time as i like, it doesn't matter. its like trying to get blood into a stone.
so i would say that my part in this would be a connection between the physical person and their choices. on a very deep level the person would make a choice about their "healing" and they can access this through me( or through another route).
i would be like a plug in a socket, the switch would be in the subconcious of the person.
so my influence on someones healing would be very limited, only really as far as affecting someone's choice, and some people can be very stubborn .
it would be nice to think that i have healing hands, but i think that people heal themselves. and this is true of modern or ancient medicine.
the modern doctors use drugs to treat symptoms, these are designed to help the physical body to heal itself, give it the right kind of boost.( a simplification and generalisation, i know)
the ancient healers would come at it from a different direction. they would look to the cause and treat that. any physical ailments would be signs of an underlying imbalance in the persons mind and/or soul.
this is why shamans are associated with psychic and otherworldly pursuits. this is where their patients ailments are found,and treated.
it would seem from this that the body is a tool that enables us to experience physical reality, and to find "healing"(whatever that really means)or not, as we choose.
just my opinion, i hope it adds to the debate.
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| Posted 01-10-2009 at 22:35
Cerrig,
" It's like getting blood into a stone"
I know the feeling.
Do You percieve of Your hands as been opposites , energy wise that is?
Do You feel heat or cool when holding your hands close to another, or can you direct that with intention?
Kevin
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| Posted 01-10-2009 at 23:07
That's what Reiki is all about isn't it? directing energy?
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| Posted 01-10-2009 at 23:13
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other people are very different, i can knock myself out and spend as much time as i like, it doesn't matter. its like trying to get blood into a stone.
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This could also be a more personal reflection issue, I'm often getting them, but less so recently.
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| Posted 01-10-2009 at 23:19
kevin,
i have felt heat and cold in my palms, mostly heat. and i have tried to influence that ,to warm a cold spot or cool a warm area for example. but i've found that what i feel isn't always the same as the patient feels. and my attempts at manipulating things aren't very succesful anyway.
i find that the best method is to try to get out of the way and just let things happen. nothing i do really makes much difference. it's like i said earlier, i'm not the healer. that comes from somewhere else.
so maybe everyone is a shaman really, it just needs someone to be a connection to enable the process to work. as healing takes place subconciously most people wouldn't realise they are their own medicine.
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| Posted 01-10-2009 at 23:26
Good to see you!
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On 2009-10-01 23:07, Venutius wrote:
That's what Reiki is all about isn't it? directing energy?
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Not absolutely always, sometimes it's best to just let it flow where and how it will.
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On 2009-10-01 23:19, cerrig wrote:
kevin,
i have felt heat and cold in my palms, mostly heat. and i have tried to influence that ,to warm a cold spot or cool a warm area for example. but i've found that what i feel isn't always the same as the patient feels. and my attempts at manipulating things aren't very succesful anyway.
i find that the best method is to try to get out of the way and just let things happen. nothing i do really makes much difference. it's like i said earlier, i'm not the healer. that comes from somewhere else.
so maybe everyone is a shaman really, it just needs someone to be a connection to enable the process to work. as healing takes place subconciously most people wouldn't realise they are their own medicine.
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Very well put Cerrig, don't think I could have done any better myself.
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| Posted 01-10-2009 at 23:33
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On 2009-10-01 23:13, Venutius wrote:
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other people are very different, i can knock myself out and spend as much time as i like, it doesn't matter. its like trying to get blood into a stone.
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This could also be a more personal reflection issue, I'm often getting them, but less so recently.
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could it be because of becoming more sensitive and empathetic when you are in healing mode. i have often had emotions and feelings that weren't mine(i don't think they were mine, i'm in trouble if they were)
i do believe that when i'm in that place i am very vulnerable , and if i care too much it's worse. a detached kind of manner does give a more balanced session i find.
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| Posted 01-10-2009 at 23:40
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On 2009-10-01 23:19, cerrig wrote:
kevin,
i have felt heat and cold in my palms, mostly heat. and i have tried to influence that ,to warm a cold spot or cool a warm area for example. but i've found that what i feel isn't always the same as the patient feels. and my attempts at manipulating things aren't very succesful anyway.
i find that the best method is to try to get out of the way and just let things happen. nothing i do really makes much difference. it's like i said earlier, i'm not the healer. that comes from somewhere else.
so maybe everyone is a shaman really, it just needs someone to be a connection to enable the process to work. as healing takes place subconciously most people wouldn't realise they are their own medicine.
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Very well put Cerrig, don't think I could have done any better myself.
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thanks rune, it makes me wonder where it comes from sometimes.
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| Posted 01-10-2009 at 23:43
Very well put Cerrig, don't think I could have done any better myself.
Rune
thanks rune, it makes me wonder where it comes from sometimes.
cerrig
ermmm, The Universe I reckon
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| Posted 01-10-2009 at 23:49
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On 2009-10-01 23:43, Runemage wrote:
Very well put Cerrig, don't think I could have done any better myself.
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thanks rune, it makes me wonder where it comes from sometimes.
cerrig
ermmm, The Universe I reckon
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yes, but just what is the universe, or is that a new thread.
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| Posted 01-10-2009 at 23:57
yes, but just what is the universe, or is that a new thread.
It is what it is, but it also is whatever you are able to perceive it to be, is my best thought at this time of night.
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| Posted 02-10-2009 at 07:54
Cerrig,
I asked about heat and cool to see Your reply.
I check many things via dowsing, and especially people , our society almost stops an individual getting close enough to others to practise this, luckily I have friends who allow me to sort of practise on them.
I find each individual has a variable series of fields about them, many are discharged down to levels where the biological shows stress and illness follows.
Reiki interests Me has I know people who have lived in Hawai and have studied there, Huna.
I consider our hands as antennae, and You are dealing with two seperate people when holding the palms of your hands near someone, they must also allow a connection across between , otherwise You cannot send your charge into their system.
I recommend looking closely at the Egyptian reliefs, look to the hands , especially the women and where and how they hold them, look to what the men hold in their hands and the position of ankh and staffs.
Women at certain times of the month have extremely enlarged fields about them , younger women that is, they are like motors overheating, they need then to discharge this overload.
once you view living entities from an electrical stand point instead of just the physical , then what the universe and all in it becomes far clearer, it is all to scale, recognise any part and the whole becomes also recognisable.
This is where the shaman appears to have resided in the non-physical aspect of reality, as does the dowser.
kevin
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| Posted 02-10-2009 at 08:26
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other people are very different, i can knock myself out and spend as much time as i like, it doesn't matter. its like trying to get blood into a stone.
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This could also be a more personal reflection issue, I'm often getting them, but less so recently.
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could it be because of becoming more sensitive and empathetic when you are in healing mode. i have often had emotions and feelings that weren't mine(i don't think they were mine, i'm in trouble if they were)
i do believe that when i'm in that place i am very vulnerable , and if i care too much it's worse. a detached kind of manner does give a more balanced session i find.
cerrig
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Yes, that sounds right to me. Especially if you are feeling vulnerable.
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| Posted 02-10-2009 at 12:21
This could also be a more personal reflection issue, I'm often getting them, but less so recently.[/quote]
could it be because of becoming more sensitive and empathetic when you are in healing mode. i have often had emotions and feelings that weren't mine(i don't think they were mine, i'm in trouble if they were)
i do believe that when i'm in that place i am very vulnerable , and if i care too much it's worse. a detached kind of manner does give a more balanced session i find.
cerrig[/quote]
Yes, that sounds right to me. Especially if you are feeling vulnerable.
Grounding and centering both before and after practise helps a great deal.
I have a couple of anecdotes about this. One friend is a reflexologist and despite trying every usual method, can't help but absorb the client's negativity unless she wears a white coverall, the 'clinical practitioner' type used by physios and chiros etc. Once she puts that on, it's like a barrier for her.
Another friend is a radiographer, gets people straight from accidents etc. so is used to gore. At home, she started feeling queasy when preparing a chicken or fish for cooking, she put on one of her work white coats and was instantly able to deal with it.
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