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cropredy
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|  Posted 09-03-2009 at 15:49
Tiompan,
I realise that even the pope has stuck his nose into frequencies over time, and we could have quite a chat about such.
I consider that the very core of creation is involved and been messed with, so maybe a seperate thread?
For thee,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxjpYHhfRyI
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 16:06
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On 2009-03-09 15:49, cropredy wrote:
Tiompan,
I realise that even the pope has stuck his nose into frequencies over time, and we could have quite a chat about such.
I consider that the very core of creation is involved and been messed with, so maybe a seperate thread?
For thee,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxjpYHhfRyI
Kevin
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Splendid , thank you . Did you know that Tiompan means a hammered dulcimer ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOHBqFevy0k
A bit heavy going but Harry was an important figure in the use of just intonation .
There are quite a few myths about religion and music like the flat five being outlawed because it was "diabolus in musica " ,death metal bands like to think so anyway but it was more than likely a case of don't write interval it's devilishly difficult to sing and sounds crap .
George
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On 2009-03-09 14:10, tiompan wrote:
I learnt a long time ago not to argue with Mormons ,Jehovahs Witnesses and have added people who think they are shamans .
To be fair it is the mysteries section ,so should have kept schtum .
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Yes, George ... I've been wondering about the same ... why people only interested in pouring cold water on an idea because it conflicts with their world view are even on a Mysteries forum, especially as your main line of argument seems to be (as it was in the Bantu thread) "I don't think this can be true because I don't this can be true."
You readily admit that you don't have much of a background in science and maths, and also have no experience in shamanism. But that doesn't stop you giving your opinion on my views about where the two might meet. I do have some considerable experience, knowledge and training in all of the above ... so imagine how fascinating it is for me to have to try to respond to your ignorant assertions?
[ This message was edited by: Ishtar on 2009-03-09 16:30 ]
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 16:49
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On 2009-03-09 16:29, Ishtar wrote:
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On 2009-03-09 14:10, tiompan wrote:
I learnt a long time ago not to argue with Mormons ,Jehovahs Witnesses and have added people who think they are shamans .
To be fair it is the mysteries section ,so should have kept schtum .
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Yes, George ... I've been wondering about the same ... why people only interested in pouring cold water on an idea because it conflicts with their world view are even on a Mysteries forum, especially as your main line of argument seems to be (as it was in the Bantu thread) "I don't think this can be true because I don't this can be true."
You readily admit that you don't have much of a background in science and maths, and also have no experience in shamanism. But that doesn't stop you giving your opinion on my views about where the two might meet. I do have some considerable experience, knowledge and training in all of the above ... so imagine how fascinating it is for me to have to try to respond to your ignorant assertions?
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I don't mind arguing over specific points but won't get involved in name calling .As for the Bantu thread 75,000 year old stone circle etc . I did not respond in the manner you suggested but gave perfectly reasonable replies which I seem to remember you failed to answer .Just had a look back at your final comment in relation to that thread " fair enough I take your points ..."
You claim to have had some training in the above , the shamanism I can imagine , but the physics and maths , interesting , what qualifications ? We might turn to you for advice on some problems .
George
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 17:21
Before we get into physics and maths training George it's worth noting exactly what a claim of "I am a trained shaman" actually implies. According to Eliade the common beliefs shared by all shamans throughout the world are:
Spirits exist and they play important roles both in individual lives and in human society.
The shaman can communicate with the spirit world.
Spirits can be good or evil.
The shaman can treat sickness caused by evil spirits.
The shaman can employ trance inducing techniques to incite visionary ecstasy and go on "vision quests".
The shaman's spirit can leave the body to enter the supernatural world to search for answers.
The shaman evokes animal images as spirit guides, omens, and message-bearers.
The shaman can tell the future, scry, throw bones/runes, and perform other varied forms of divination.....
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Frankly, I think I can stand being called ignorant by someone that believes any of the above, let alone all of them.
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 17:24
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On 2009-03-09 17:21, Chyknel2 wrote:
Before we get into physics and maths training George it's worth noting exactly what a claim of "I am a trained shaman" actually implies. According to Eliade the common beliefs shared by all shamans throughout the world are:
Spirits exist and they play important roles both in individual lives and in human society.
The shaman can communicate with the spirit world.
Spirits can be good or evil.
The shaman can treat sickness caused by evil spirits.
The shaman can employ trance inducing techniques to incite visionary ecstasy and go on "vision quests".
The shaman's spirit can leave the body to enter the supernatural world to search for answers.
The shaman evokes animal images as spirit guides, omens, and message-bearers.
The shaman can tell the future, scry, throw bones/runes, and perform other varied forms of divination.....
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Frankly, I think I can stand being called ignorant by someone that believes any of the above, let alone all of them.
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Dare I say the plastic word .
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 17:34
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On 2009-03-09 17:24, tiompan wrote:
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On 2009-03-09 17:21, Chyknel2 wrote:
Before we get into physics and maths training George it's worth noting exactly what a claim of "I am a trained shaman" actually implies. According to Eliade the common beliefs shared by all shamans throughout the world are:
Spirits exist and they play important roles both in individual lives and in human society.
The shaman can communicate with the spirit world.
Spirits can be good or evil.
The shaman can treat sickness caused by evil spirits.
The shaman can employ trance inducing techniques to incite visionary ecstasy and go on "vision quests".
The shaman's spirit can leave the body to enter the supernatural world to search for answers.
The shaman evokes animal images as spirit guides, omens, and message-bearers.
The shaman can tell the future, scry, throw bones/runes, and perform other varied forms of divination.....
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Frankly, I think I can stand being called ignorant by someone that believes any of the above, let alone all of them.
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Dare I say the plastic word .
George
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I repeat....what are two ignorant trolls doing in this forum?
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 17:44
But I only quoted what your much respected Eliade said all shamans believe.
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On 2009-03-09 16:06, tiompan wrote:
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On 2009-03-09 15:49, cropredy wrote:
Tiompan,
I realise that even the pope has stuck his nose into frequencies over time, and we could have quite a chat about such.
I consider that the very core of creation is involved and been messed with, so maybe a seperate thread?
For thee,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxjpYHhfRyI
Kevin
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Splendid , thank you . Did you know that Tiompan means a hammered dulcimer ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOHBqFevy0k
A bit heavy going but Harry was an important figure in the use of just intonation .
There are quite a few myths about religion and music like the flat five being outlawed because it was "diabolus in musica " ,death metal bands like to think so anyway but it was more than likely a case of don't write interval it's devilishly difficult to sing and sounds crap .
George
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Tiompan ,
I did realise that tiompan was a dulcimer, an Irish one if I am correct?
I believe someone was playing one at Cropredy some years ago, there was a hurdy gurdy man in the crowd last year.
I bought some musical instruments last week and put them into auction, one was a dulcimer type thing, smaller though, my heads gone can't remember it's name.
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 18:41
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On 2009-03-09 17:44, Chyknel2 wrote:
But I only quoted what your much respected Eliade said all shamans believe.
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I have no objection to your quote from Eliade.
What I object to is that neither of you were capable of engaging with what this article means or discussing it intelligentl. So instead, you just decided to attack me as a shaman ... even though you know nothing about me or shamanism.
For me, the experience of being on this forum has been akin to wandering by mistake on to the set of Deliverance. I ask again, why have a Mysteries forum if no-one is able to engage with the subjects of Mysteries (which are beyond the scope of classical science) because two pitchfork-waving ignorant trolls are allowed on to throw stones at what they don't understand?
You wouldn't find this acceptable behaviour if it was vice versa, on the Stones forum.
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 19:01
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On 2009-03-09 18:41, Ishtar wrote:
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On 2009-03-09 17:44, Chyknel2 wrote:
But I only quoted what your much respected Eliade said all shamans believe.
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I have no objection to your quote from Eliade.
What I object to is that neither of you were capable of engaging with what this article means or discussing it intelligentl. So instead, you just decided to attack me as a shaman ... even though you know nothing about me or shamanism.
For me, the experience of being on this forum has been akin to wandering by mistake on to the set of Deliverance. I ask again, why have a Mysteries forum if no-one is able to engage with the subjects of Mysteries (which are beyond the scope of classical science) because two pitchfork-waving ignorant trolls are allowed on to throw stones at what they don't understand?
You wouldn't find this acceptable behaviour if it was vice versa, on the Stones forum.
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I don't mind arguing over specific points but won't get involved in name calling .As for the Bantu thread 75,000 year old stone circle etc . I did not respond in the manner you suggested but gave perfectly reasonable replies which I seem to remember you failed to answer . Just had a look back at your final comment in relation to that thread " fair enough I take your points ..."
You claim to have had some training in the above , the shamanism I can imagine , but the physics and maths , interesting , what qualifications ? We might turn to you for advice on some problems .
From " Fair enough I take your points " to pitch fork waving ignoramus . Strikes me as a bit odd .
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On 2009-03-09 17:45, cropredy wrote:
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On 2009-03-09 16:06, tiompan wrote:
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On 2009-03-09 15:49, cropredy wrote:
Tiompan,
I realise that even the pope has stuck his nose into frequencies over time, and we could have quite a chat about such.
I consider that the very core of creation is involved and been messed with, so maybe a seperate thread?
For thee,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxjpYHhfRyI
Kevin
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Splendid , thank you . Did you know that Tiompan means a hammered dulcimer ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOHBqFevy0k
A bit heavy going but Harry was an important figure in the use of just intonation .
There are quite a few myths about religion and music like the flat five being outlawed because it was "diabolus in musica " ,death metal bands like to think so anyway but it was more than likely a case of don't write interval it's devilishly difficult to sing and sounds crap .
George
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Tiompan ,
I did realise that tiompan was a dulcimer, an Irish one if I am correct?
I believe someone was playing one at Cropredy some years ago, there was a hurdy gurdy man in the crowd last year.
I bought some musical instruments last week and put them into auction, one was a dulcimer type thing, smaller though, my heads gone can't remember it's name.
Kevin
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An auto harp ? might be construed as a wee dulcimer ./
George
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You wouldn't find this acceptable behaviour if it was vice versa, on the Stones forum.
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Might I wave my pitchfork in a trollish manner..just point out...we AREN'T on the Stones forum.
So surely you can expect a touch of cynicism,disbelief or even as it happens,ridicule for (highly)unorthodox ideas...but..it seems if anyone on here asks for an explanation to anything..they are in fact treated with greater disdain by those being questioned than the disdain they claim is meted to them for not answering ANYTHING!!!!
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 19:37
Tiompan,
Cheers that cleared my head, it was a zither, I put an old german accordian in the same auction.
Kevin
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 19:48
Albertresonox,
Has it never dawned upon Yourself that others on here are seeking out the truth, and that is a process of self seeking, not as some are demonstrating on here a permanent feed Me feed Me , answer My questions.
I have a mental image of two cuckoos sat in a nest, pushing everyone else out , and just squawking prove it, prove it, give me answers , give me answers.
Anyone who dares to sit in that nest is then just pushed and pushed until they fall out.
I try constantly to give the best explanations and examples related to what I waffle on about, there is nothing written about it yet, but plenty are pushing towards the understandings.
The truth of this universe or universes is probably far wackier than any fiction written about it.
Get out there and look for yourselves.
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 20:08
This cuckoo is constantly being fed waffle instead of the mental nutrition required...there is a numerologist,a shaman and a STUFFist with differing views,all constantly telling me I am wrong about what I know and have learned or been taught throughout my life...and when I simply ask to be re-educated I am told to find this elusive truth out for myself because it won't be explained as I am too stupid to be told the things that have been suppressed from my earliest genetic memories...going back way before the advent of fire by all accounts.
If you can all agree on one thing it should be to get together and form a society...."Blame-shifters" would be a suitably apt title.
One thing in life I pride myself on...and that is being able to smell shite...and by heavens reading some of these self-deluded ramblings...my hooter is twitching like billyo
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On 2009-03-09 10:11, Chyknel2 wrote:
Of course I've demonstrated it. Another dimension, by it's nature, has different rules of physics else it wouldn't be another dimension would it?????
So anyone who went there would be subject to those and be instantly and irrevocably changed to conform with them.
How would they then reassemble themselves to get back - or even the thinking capacity with which to know they wanted to come back?
It's daft.
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Goodness - this little lad still likes shouting his mouth off, misquoting and misrepresenting postulants. At least your consistent with that big gob of yours chykpea! Your parents would be proud of you mate!
All my love - Paulus
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This for the Great Lord ChykPea once again:
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On 2009-03-09 17:21, Chyknel2 wrote:
Before we get into physics and maths training George it's worth noting exactly what a claim of "I am a trained shaman" actually implies. According to Eliade the common beliefs shared by all shamans throughout the world are:
Spirits exist and they play important roles both in individual lives and in human society.
The shaman can communicate with the spirit world.
Spirits can be good or evil.
The shaman can treat sickness caused by evil spirits.
The shaman can employ trance inducing techniques to incite visionary ecstasy and go on "vision quests".
The shaman's spirit can leave the body to enter the supernatural world to search for answers.
The shaman evokes animal images as spirit guides, omens, and message-bearers.
The shaman can tell the future, scry, throw bones/runes, and perform other varied forms of divination.....
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Frankly, I think I can stand being called ignorant by someone that believes any of the above, let alone all of them.
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Hmmmm...considering that individuals with this cosmological framework was hugely likely (if not certain) to be integral to those who constructed much of our prehistoric heritage, you insulting such belief systems shows - i) your fundamental lack of true interest in archaeohistorical beliefs; ii) your preference to insulting people way above any preference about the nature of archaic beliefs and cosmologies; iii) you are fundamentally ignorant; and hence iv) you actually are a sad little troll!
All the best Big Boy!
Yours, as always - Paulus
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 22:51
Tiompan,
Overlapping dimensions will exist in geometry, I would recommend you read this link, with reference to how sites are geometrically set out, pay carefull attention to the fire altars, and the five layers of bricks, (remember that the ziggurat in iraq is layered in rows of five deep bricks)how they are geometrically arranged, and how alterations to this geometry achieves different outcomes( when they mention tortoise shape, imagine dodecahedron)
The timing devices for nuclear bombs are shaped such, for TIMINGS reasons.
http://www.ece.lsu.edu/kak/alt.pdf
Thank you Ishtar for giving me that pathway.
Kevin
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Errrmmm....Ishtar -
George (Tiompan) aint no troll. Simple as. The other little halfwit angry-man ChykPea however... Well - wot can y' say? There's either a parental cross-breed gone off somewhere, or else he eats a lotta genetically modified food.
But if you're gonna talk about shamanism, don't fly into overt NewAge-isms. Telling folk that you are one - or used to be one - or whatever it might be at the moment, aint a good 'n'. We've been here before, talking these fields, with people who reckon such things; but when the push comes to the shove it gets increasingly apparent that what they believe themselves to be ('believe' being the operative word) and what actually constitutes such characters is very different indeed.
Talk shamanism proper and you've got my attention. Talk shallow shit and you're gonna get the chyknel operating systems flicking halfwit bitsa crap from the back of the class. But equally, if you wanna throw in the regularly regurgitated similarities of science and mysticism, read the right stuff - and throw scepticism and belief out of the window!
All the best - Paul
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