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|  Posted 06-03-2009 at 21:07
Could it be possible that it was these people who built the pyramids, and that the Egyptians learn't from them?
http://www.kaa-umati.co.uk/Bantu%20in%20Ancient%20Egypt.htm
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| Posted 08-03-2009 at 11:35
These stones in zimbabwe mjay be connected with the bantu,perhaps?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Zimbabwe
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| Posted 08-03-2009 at 11:47
They are who are credited with building it .
No mention of aliens or white builders , yet .
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| Posted 08-03-2009 at 22:59
Hi Ishtar!
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On 2009-03-04 13:22, Ishtar wrote:
...And finally, speaking as a shaman and Reiki Master...
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Ishtar - you are not a bloody shaman. Pleeeez.....getta grip! You don't know how much you ruin your notions of credibililty with others in different investigative strata by declaring such things. A Reiki Master - be my guest! But no way a shaman. Simple as!
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 07:11
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Ishtar - you are not a bloody shaman. Pleeeez.....getta grip! You don't know how much you ruin your notions of credibililty with others in different investigative strata by declaring such things. A Reiki Master - be my guest! But no way a shaman. Simple as!
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Hello Brigantia
It's amazing that you should know so much about me, without us ever having met - so much so, in fact, that you felt perfectly competent in that knowledge to mount a personal attack on me!
I lost my 'credibility' a long time ago, and what a relief it was to get that monkey off my back. I'm also not particularly interested in people who only care about their "credibility". That word has been used a lot in the recent past by the high priests of the religion of classical science to keep the dissidents in line and tar and feathers in public those who would push boundaries.
But on a fair minded forum, like this one, I would expect to judged by the veracity and integrity of the points I put forward ... and not on who I am.
[ This message was edited by: Ishtar on 2009-03-09 07:13 ]
[ This message was edited by: Ishtar on 2009-03-09 07:26 ]
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 08:16
thanks Cropredy - that's really interesting. I didn't know about those stones, or this from the Wiki article:
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The word "Zimbabwe" is probably a short form for "ziimba remabwe" or "ziimba rebwe", a Shona (dialect: ChiKaranga) term, which means "the great or big house built of stone boulders". In the ChiKaranga dialect of the Shona language, "imba" means "a house" or "a building" and "ziimba", or "zimba", mean "a huge/big building or house". The word "bwe" or "ibwe" (singular, plural being "mabwe") in the ChiKaranga dialect means "a stone boulder". The ChiKaranga-speaking Shona people are found around Great Zimbabwe in the modern–day province of Masvingo and have been known to have inhabited the region since the building of this ancient city ... |
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But I notice the Wiki article's dating of them (11th - 15th century CEO) seems to be based on when they are were discovered by European invaders - I wonder if anyone has asked the Shona people themselves?
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 09:50
thanks Cropredy - that's really interesting. I didn't know about those stones, or this from the Wiki article:
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The word "Zimbabwe" is probably a short form for "ziimba remabwe" or "ziimba rebwe", a Shona (dialect: ChiKaranga) term, which means "the great or big house built of stone boulders". In the ChiKaranga dialect of the Shona language, "imba" means "a house" or "a building" and "ziimba", or "zimba", mean "a huge/big building or house". The word "bwe" or "ibwe" (singular, plural being "mabwe") in the ChiKaranga dialect means "a stone boulder". The ChiKaranga-speaking Shona people are found around Great Zimbabwe in the modern–day province of Masvingo and have been known to have inhabited the region since the building of this ancient city ... |
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But I notice the Wiki article's dating of them (11th - 15th century CEO) seems to be based on when they are were discovered by European invaders - I wonder if anyone has asked the Shona people themselves?
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If we relied on local knowledge for dating archaeology Stonehenge would be Roman etc archaeologists are almost as bad .Fortunately we have RC dating which gives results that ignores race ,profession ,religion etc dates it suggests for Great Zimbabwe are circa 12 th C .
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 12:27
Ishtar,
Hope you had a good weekend in Glastonbury?
Brigatntia is sound, he can't help been from yorkshire, as I am, we say things as we see, maybe a seperate thread on what is a shaman?
I was particurally drawn to the SOLID round building, but without actually visiting the place it is just a hunch on my part that this is similer to a solid cut stone, but that may not have been locally available.
The dating of this site seems very political and racist, archaeologists can generally only date artifacts etc and thus give the best guesstimate for construction dates.
The mention by yourself of been a shaman is similer to myself saying I am a dowser, believe me it raises the hackles on these forums, PROVE IT been the main siren call, I am banned from another megalithic site called TMA because I dared to doubt the accepted, though I can still look into there and admire a lot( tiompan, mention please to Jane, that it takes one to recognise one, TIKI was a dowser, they won't be goggles, a past life sceptic will have blind folded the poor little chaps)
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 12:34
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On 2009-03-09 12:27, cropredy wrote:
Ishtar,
Hope you had a good weekend in Glastonbury?
Brigatntia is sound, he can't help been from yorkshire, as I am, we say things as we see, maybe a seperate thread on what is a shaman?
I was particurally drawn to the SOLID round building, but without actually visiting the place it is just a hunch on my part that this is similer to a solid cut stone, but that may not have been locally available.
The dating of this site seems very political and racist, archaeologists can generally only date artifacts etc and thus give the best guesstimate for construction dates.
The mention by yourself of been a shaman is similer to myself saying I am a dowser, believe me it raises the hackles on these forums, PROVE IT been the main siren call, I am banned from another megalithic site called TMA because I dared to doubt the accepted, though I can still look into there and admire a lot( tiompan, mention please to Jane, that it takes one to recognise one, TIKI was a dowser, they won't be goggles, a past life sceptic will have blind folded the poor little chaps)
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Kevin , archaeologists can make estimates of the age an atrefact by association they may be wrong but at least they have some expertise in the subject . RC dating is done by scientists on organic material , the technique has improved over the years and now gives us the most reliable we can for today .
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| Posted 09-03-2009 at 17:38
With so many circular structures, each with stones so packed together in the periphery, touching one another in fact, it is not surprising that "alignments" are found. These can use the stones, or the gaps or cracks between them, or both. Any budding astronomer with a computer programme indicating the change in star positions over time should be able to find an aligment for anything, from Orion, through the Southern Cross to the Greater Magellanic Cloud and all the stars inbetween right round the circumference of the night sky.. As well as all the obvious sun- and moon-ruled events.
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On 2009-03-09 17:38, ryszard wrote:
With so many circular structures, each with stones so packed together in the periphery, touching one another in fact, it is not surprising that "alignments" are found. These can use the stones, or the gaps or cracks between them, or both. Any budding astronomer with a computer programme indicating the change in star positions over time should be able to find an aligment for anything, from Orion, through the Southern Cross to the Greater Magellanic Cloud and all the stars inbetween right round the circumference of the night sky.. As well as all the obvious sun- and moon-ruled events.
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Dead right .I didn't bother even checking the astronomy , when you introduce stars of first magnitude with a range of five centuries a third of the horizon can be considered significant .
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On 2009-03-09 17:38, ryszard wrote:
With so many circular structures, each with stones so packed together in the periphery, touching one another in fact, it is not surprising that "alignments" are found.
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I think this point is important. Enthusiasts for sites with large numbers of potential target stones (some of them quite small and insubstantial) may be obscuring the importance of very viable alignments of major solar calendar events when they theorize a site captures as many alignments and "sacred geometry, Reiki symbolism and the Phi factor or golden ratio of 1,618" as Johan Heine has claimed for these sites.
Similar disagreements can be had with other recent sites in the news, like the Majorville Medicine Wheel, which now seems doomed to be known as "Canada's Stonehenge" http://www.megalithic.co.uk/article.php?sid=22751 They are definitely ancient sites - the question is just how ancient, and whether all the attributes claimed for them are proven (or even "prove - able").
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On 2009-03-06 08:54, tiompan wrote:
Hi Mick , sorry Sem ,missed this . Ther's also AMS "accelerated mass spectroscopy ?) which I seem to remember held out some hope of dating rock art particularly if it had a patina .
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"ablated mass spectroscopy" rather?
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| Posted 16-03-2009 at 20:47
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/03/090316093629.htm
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Thanks for link,Kev.I did not knew this method.
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Thanks for link,Kev.I did not knew this method.
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This should also be in the mysteries section . Just seen the author on youtube , quite funny and essentailly sub Sitchin . His co author thinks the circle may be only 25,000 years old and of course the date is simply derived from three recumbent stones ,which if stood in the places where they had fallen , would , just like pyramids across the globe , mirror the shape of Orion's belt which could only be seen ovdirectly over where they would have stood 75,000 years ago . The astronomy will probably prove to be bogus anyway but they are basing the age on three stones that they assume to have been erect despite the fact that they don't have socket holes which would tell the placement and depth , played about with red shift and voila . That's the least of potential criticism which I can't be bothered with .
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I'm with you on this Tiompan.
I strongly believe that astronomy played a part in the building of most monuments but I don't think it will ever be proved scientifically. It's like trying to prove an FA Cup Final was brilliant. The winners always think it was a classic, the losers enjoyed it and to the rest of us, it spoiled Saturday afternoon TV.
It's all very well to use a computer programme for alignments but, like football or live music, you've got to see it to appreciate the effect it has on people.
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I'm with you on this Tiompan.
I strongly believe that astronomy played a part in the building of most monuments but I don't think it will ever be proved scientifically. It's like trying to prove an FA Cup Final was brilliant. The winners always think it was a classic, the losers enjoyed it and to the rest of us, it spoiled Saturday afternoon TV.
It's all very well to use a computer programme for alignments but, like football or live music, you've got to see it to appreciate the effect it has on people.
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I don't have a problem with remote surveys although there can be problems but this is a case where there is no alignment i.e. the stones are recumbent and from them they have extrapolated the date from where they may have stood mirroring Orion . Thats the least of the it .
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On 2009-03-08 22:59, brigantia wrote:
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On 2009-03-04 13:22, Ishtar wrote:
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Ishtar - you are not a bloody shaman. Pleeeez.....getta grip! You don't know how much you ruin your notions of credibililty with others in different investigative strata by declaring such things. A Reiki Master - be my guest! But no way a shaman. Simple as!
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Hi Paul, is Credo Mutwa a Shaman?
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