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TomLee
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|  Posted 16-12-2008 at 09:34
Long time no see!
Is there any one who has menhir's underground structure?
As I know, menhir's underground structure is so simple. But there is no information about it.
If you know about it, please provide it to me.
Thanks and best wishes,
Tom, Lee
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| Posted 16-12-2008 at 09:38
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On 2008-12-16 09:34, TomLee wrote:
Long time no see!
Is there any one who has menhir's underground structure?
As I know, menhir's underground structure is so simple. But there is no information about it.
If you know about it, please provide it to me.
Thanks and best wishes,
Tom, Lee
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| Posted 16-12-2008 at 09:45
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On 2008-12-16 09:34, TomLee wrote:
Long time no see!
Is there any one who has menhir's underground structure?
As I know, menhir's underground structure is so simple. But there is no information about it.
If you know about it, please provide it to me.
Thanks and best wishes,
Tom, Lee
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Hello Tom ,
Try Maltese hypogea see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypogeum_of_Hal-Saflieni
George
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| Posted 16-12-2008 at 10:17
I think Tom is asking about 'overground' sites. What is known about them under the surface. For 'menhirs' (standing stones) how deep they go in the ground can vary a lot, but they often have packing stones around.
Some burial chambers have been 'taken apart' during extensive excavation so the information will be there about the 'below ground' parts.
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| Posted 16-12-2008 at 10:32
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On 2008-12-16 10:17, Andy B wrote:
I think Tom is asking about 'overground' sites. What is known about them under the surface. For 'menhirs' (standing stones) how deep they go in the ground can vary a lot, but they often have packing stones around.
Some burial chambers have been 'taken apart' during extensive excavation so the information will be there about the 'below ground' parts.
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LOL ,of course he is . In which case have a look here
http://ads.ahds.ac.uk/catalogue/ARCHway /volumeSelector.cfm?rcn=1340
watch the wrap , hundreds of excavation reports some of which will fit the bill . Basically a menhir/orthostat will either be buried up to a third of it's height and consolidated with packing stones or not and often a minor socket will seat the stone . Quartz and cremantion deposits sometimes found in the socket base .
Sorry for the confusion .
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| Posted 16-12-2008 at 10:36
Sorry to digress to the hypogea in Malta... I was just reading about 30 school children who dissapeared in the tunnel in the 1930's. Anyone know if this really happened or is it a myth?
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| Posted 16-12-2008 at 10:44
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On 2008-12-16 10:36, Laughing_Ball wrote:
Sorry to digress to the hypogea in Malta... I was just reading about 30 school children who dissapeared in the tunnel in the 1930's. Anyone know if this really happened or is it a myth?
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I'll go for myth .
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| Posted 16-12-2008 at 16:34
Look at
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread216479/pg1
makes interesting reading.
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| Posted 16-12-2008 at 16:45
Doesn't look at all reliable .
A ref from a reputable newspaper /news agency at the time would be a start .
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| Posted 16-12-2008 at 17:55
Didn't say it was reliable, just interesting.
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| Posted 16-12-2008 at 20:31
Sometimes a menhir was sited on top of a dolmen mound,so in theory there would be an underground structure below...is this what you are querying TomLee???
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| Posted 16-12-2008 at 22:52
At the carnac region are some menhirs on top of the cap stones, I checked the one at kercado , it was precisely positioned, call it an antennae?perhaps.
Checking in my own little way some of the huge menhirs around there, they did sit on top of detectable water vector points, that is to say a point where the water table will spiral up to a point, hence it is closest to the surface and a positive point.
The stone may have helped in drawing the water to the surface, perhaps at times of drought?
There is a measurable potential to do with every foot rise above the surface
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| Posted 17-12-2008 at 06:27
The Dark Stane Roundie by Ninewells in Dundee once had a menhir(which gave the mound it's name)...and before anyone starts getting over excited about the name "Ninewells"...it isn't of numerical significance...it's of(early) Christian origin!
Not getting into a spat about stones drawing water to the surface.....the alignments in the Carnac area would have surely caused so much water to rise they would've created rivers(which in turn would have washed away the soil which in turn would've caused the stones to topple loooooong ago)
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| Posted 17-12-2008 at 07:43
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On 2008-12-17 06:27, AlbertResonox wrote:
The Dark Stane Roundie by Ninewells in Dundee once had a menhir(which gave the mound it's name)...and before anyone starts getting over excited about the name "Ninewells"...it isn't of numerical significance...it's of(early) Christian origin!
Not getting into a spat about stones drawing water to the surface.....the alignments in the Carnac area would have surely caused so much water to rise they would've created rivers(which in turn would have washed away the soil which in turn would've caused the stones to topple loooooong ago)
[ This message was edited by: AlbertResonox on 2008-12-17 06:32 ]
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Not many know about that one Albert , sadly the site is built over and not where it is sometimes claimed to be which was actually a mound built to watch for the coach from Perth and about a mile south of the real site .
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On 2008-12-17 07:43, tiompan wrote:
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On 2008-12-17 06:27, AlbertResonox wrote:
The Dark Stane Roundie by Ninewells in Dundee once had a menhir(which gave the mound it's name)...and before anyone starts getting over excited about the name "Ninewells"...it isn't of numerical significance...it's of(early) Christian origin!
Not getting into a spat about stones drawing water to the surface.....the alignments in the Carnac area would have surely caused so much water to rise they would've created rivers(which in turn would have washed away the soil which in turn would've caused the stones to topple loooooong ago)
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Not many know about that one Albert , sadly the site is built over and not where it is sometimes claimed to be which was actually a mound built to watch for the coach from Perth and about a mile south of the real site .
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Pitnacree , Neolithic barrow still has a standing stone atop .The excavation report is not on the web but there are plenty pics .
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TomLee
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| Posted 17-12-2008 at 09:35
Thank you for the all information.
I will be back as soon as possible.
Tom, Lee
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| Posted 17-12-2008 at 14:56
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On 2008-12-17 06:27, AlbertResonox wrote:
The Dark Stane Roundie by Ninewells in Dundee once had a menhir(which gave the mound it's name)...and before anyone starts getting over excited about the name "Ninewells"...it isn't of numerical significance...it's of(early) Christian origin!
Not getting into a spat about stones drawing water to the surface.....the alignments in the Carnac area would have surely caused so much water to rise they would've created rivers(which in turn would have washed away the soil which in turn would've caused the stones to topple loooooong ago)
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Do you know the date of construction of such as carnac?
Do You know the relevant water table to such area and if fresh water was available?
Even a river in flood fails to wash the banks away or the grass on the surface, why would any water raised have been flowing strongly enough to wash away the surface area?
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| Posted 17-12-2008 at 15:43
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On 2008-12-17 14:56, cropredy wrote:
Do you know the date of construction of such as carnac?
Do You know the relevant water table to such area and if fresh water was available?
Even a river in flood fails to wash the banks away or the grass on the surface, why would any water raised have been flowing strongly enough to wash away the surface area?
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Only recently you were saying that Carnac would have had banks that were washed away?!
"...you can then visualise what is missing, I suspect huge amounts of embankments have been washed away, and as with most sites are only viewing the solid remnants."
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| Posted 17-12-2008 at 16:54
Laughing ball,
I don't know how or by what method the embankments etc have dispersed.
Similer with most megalithic sites, they are remnants , we are only viewing the solids in most cases, milleniums of weathering of all sorts will scour away what is not natural, the huge stones will withstand that far better.
Do you honestly view carnac as a graveyard?
I don't, I view it as a machine, where death and creation are central, but not exclusive.
The huge capstone chambers are not for burying physical bodies, but the journey of transfer across dimensions is involved.
We have been corralled into thinking almost soley of the biological body, and thus attempt to fit these ancient structures into our thinking mode, and look at them relative to the recent known condition/s relative to them.
It won't be an either or neither situation, just as present churchs are utilised across a broad spectrum, so will the megaliths, but that spectrum is broader than normally accepted, but thats for the bottom drawer area.
By the way,
have you noticed how the bottom drawer in any set of drawers is largest and contains most substance?
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| Posted 17-12-2008 at 19:01
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On 2008-12-17 07:43, tiompan wrote:
Not many know about that one Albert , sadly the site is built over and not where it is sometimes claimed to be which was actually a mound built to watch for the coach from Perth and about a mile south of the real site .
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On what is the furthest western point of Menzies Hill High School playing fields...there was once a stone circle...also remains of a castle to the south of the main school building...the midden was still there at the time of construction of the houses at that part of Dickson Avenue.
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