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|  Posted 14-11-2008 at 05:56
[South Australia Environment Minister Jay Weatherill inexplicably addressed parliament Tuesday on the issue of extraterrestrials in the Simpson Desert. The South Australian Department of Environment and Heritage has decided to ban vehicles from crossing the Simpson Desert between December 1st and March, fining anyone found to be embarking on such an expedition $1,000. MP Weatherill told Question Time:
"This is Parliament, and it is important that I do not mislead the House. They (aliens) have not been detected, at least by officers of the Department of Environment and Heritage. When we made the decision to close the park, we did not even suspect that there were aliens in the park ... of course, I cannot entirely rule out the existence of aliens in the park."
Crikey News wondered if perhaps the aliens in question were in fact lost British backpackers. The Guardian describes crossing the Simpson Desert as a "rite of passage" for pale skinned travelers from the mother country. However DEA Director Trevor Naismith told Crikey they don’t see "huge numbers" of British tourists:
"We see a lot from Europe, escaping the cooler months in the northern hemisphere. They’re usually ill prepared. They arrive, hire a four wheel drive, lacking experience in driving four wheel drives, poorly equipped, no safety equipment and with no idea. They have no understanding of the vast distances involved here."
Naismith assured Crikey that closing the Simpson desert was not an attempt to conceal the presence of aliens, but rather to curb the number of "near misses" in the outback as a duty of care.
Crikey contacted Minister Weatherill's office to ask why the Minister was prompted to address the issue of aliens in the desert, but they didn't get back to us by deadline.]
"Near misses"- with what? Capt. Cook sailed straight to South Australia in 1770 to observe Venus. Does "pom" mean Portals of Megaliths ? Is the Simpson Desert the "mother country"? Parliament has a lot to answer for.
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| Posted 15-11-2008 at 05:27
Tiompan, a couple of things -
i didn't make up the idea of a pre-existing white race, the local cultures refer to it. Therefore it's hard to see why it's racist if it wasn't even though up by white people. Actually, there's a good chance i'm part aboriginal, so i'm not likely to be racist. All i'm interested in is the facts.
The most advanced culture on earth was egyptian ( i think), possibly more advanced than we are now - so there you have a culture which is not white, which is very advanced. So why is it racist to say there may also have been an advanced ancient white race?. Also look at the Olmecs (who have african features)- .... and the amazingly advanced ancient south americans. They weren't white either... and i guess the aliens (if they exist) aren't white either; they're probably green 
Yep; re: taking legends at face value; well, i think they should be used as a valid starting point for scientific enquiry. If a culture has legends of what happened to them thousands of years ago, i can't understand the way a lot of archaeologists dismiss them, as if they know better (because they appear to refer to the supernatural, or to giants or other such 'improbable' things). Maybe start with the legends, and don't dismiss them until something actually emerges to disprove them. Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.
(no matter how fantastic the stories may seem - we should at least look for some truth in them first- as they may actually be referring to real events, that the locals perhaps didn't understand themselves). In some cases, they may not, but maybe in some cases they do. Also, if the locals have stories talking about an ancient white race, then i think there's a good bet that there was one. Otherwise you would be saying that the locals are stupid, which is a bit racist, i think. (A lot of times, the locals were recorded as welcoming european sailors back, as thinking they were these ancient people returning - but obviously later realised their mistake...)
re: the pyramids - yep, well, they do look flat on google earth. However i'm not convinced they really are flat until i go there and see them for myself (going on how the aerial photos look). They are definitely very strange looking things. .... if they do turn out to be flat, i will graciously admit defeat, but i still want to know who built them and what for, as they are clearly geometric i think , not natural; and i can't think what modern purpose they could be used for.
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| Posted 15-11-2008 at 06:26
Ancestors are seen as stars or in the Milky Way, suggesting white. A Bundjalung ancestress is the mist that floats on a river (white) and the Fraser Island goddess Gurree is shining white
and created mountains, as Shiva's wife Gauri of Himalaya snows is shining white. Bones are white.
Europeans are "pale-faces" , Swedes are white, French have blanc expressions, and the Amish have blanket faces.
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Tiompan, a couple of things -
i didn't make up the idea of a pre-existing white race, the local cultures refer to it. Therefore it's hard to see why it's racist if it wasn't even though up by white people. Actually, there's a good chance i'm part aboriginal, so i'm not likely to be racist. All i'm interested in is the facts.
The most advanced culture on earth was egyptian ( i think), possibly more advanced than we are now - so there you have a culture which is not white, which is very advanced. So why is it racist to say there may also have been an advanced ancient white race?. Also look at the Olmecs (who have african features)- .... and the amazingly advanced ancient south americans. They weren't white either... and i guess the aliens (if they exist) aren't white either; they're probably green
Yep; re: taking legends at face value; well, i think they should be used as a valid starting point for scientific enquiry. If a culture has legends of what happened to them thousands of years ago, i can't understand the way a lot of archaeologists dismiss them, as if they know better (because they appear to refer to the supernatural, or to giants or other such 'improbable' things). Maybe start with the legends, and don't dismiss them until something actually emerges to disprove them. Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.
(no matter how fantastic the stories may seem - we should at least look for some truth in them first- as they may actually be referring to real events, that the locals perhaps didn't understand themselves). In some cases, they may not, but maybe in some cases they do. Also, if the locals have stories talking about an ancient white race, then i think there's a good bet that there was one. Otherwise you would be saying that the locals are stupid, which is a bit racist, i think. (A lot of times, the locals were recorded as welcoming european sailors back, as thinking they were these ancient people returning - but obviously later realised their mistake...)
re: the pyramids - yep, well, they do look flat on google earth. However i'm not convinced they really are flat until i go there and see them for myself (going on how the aerial photos look). They are definitely very strange looking things. .... if they do turn out to be flat, i will graciously admit defeat, but i still want to know who built them and what for, as they are clearly geometric i think , not natural; and i can't think what modern purpose they could be used for.
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Hello Katie ,I'll raise you to three points , I didn't say it was racist to suggest anything but did say that there are web sites and authors in Oz and NZ that are racist and part of their message is that it was white fellas that got there first or at least showed the locals how to live .
Legends and myths are much important than the provision of info for archaeos , that is not their function . Some legends ,as mentioned previously do turn out to have a grain of truth but the vast majority are contradictory , misleading (part of their nature ) . To take the word of some modern about events 8,000 years is mad . I wonder if those that accept it also accept the Creator Beings and refuse to walk on Uluru .
There may be pyramids in OZ but the odds are against it .If they are there and it's not some charlatan /nut stuff then it will be confirmed , eventually , or you can go and see for youself as there are never any decent pics .
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hey everyone ,sorry still no pics,have a friend commin over to help me with it ,,,not real comp. literate,anyways ,i have a"STORY"for all,make of it what you will ,because it is afterall,a"STORY",,,its what started it all ,for me. ..goes somthin like this,...."in or around the year1804,a letter was recieved by the "queens representative"in the then settlement of sydny town.in the letter written by a captain of a timber getting vessel,working in the far northern reaches of the coastal jungles around what is now the innisfail to port douglas coast.stopping regularly around these areas ,and having good relations with local "melanesian tribes",was given information from a tribal elder in relation to supposed large monuments over in a nearby valley ,curious about this knowledge ,he and sveral of his workers followed the elder into thick jungle and then thruogh dry tundra onto an escarpment on which stood sveral stone "monuments " and buildings of which ,in his words ,appeard to be of chineese in origin of what age ,i do not know,the site was a full day and a half walk from the coast on "murrie" trails to the site at which i have blazed a tree with date and particulars allowing for a returning party to locate place.
the information is now in the hands of the "queens rep",.this persons name is unknown to archives ,but it was said that he was of a rich arristocrates son of christian background and was a member of the "church of the luminardi".in or around the years 1808-1810 a queens naval vessel with the queens rep on board sailed north on a recon mission to the north eastern coast of australia .the trip was non stop and entered the coast from endevour passage near cooktown ,at the only close known entry point at the time.timber getters had low shallow water vessels that ferried timber down the costal fringe to several larger ships to the soth ,at this time there was no white settlemen t in the northern coast.queens rep and party then continued the difficult trek to yhe location which had taken them four days in southwesterly direction.to reach the site ,uppon orders given by the queens rep ,the objects including buildings .were destroyed by powder blast . ,,,have to stop here ..gotta do some work ,,more to come..cheers
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| Posted 16-11-2008 at 04:46
yep, doesn't surprise me. Church of hte Illuminati perhaps?
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| Posted 16-11-2008 at 07:14
The UK settled Sydney to prevent France from controlling the S Pacific. Destroying buildings near Torres Strait would be expected for British interests.
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| Posted 19-11-2008 at 13:15
destroying what buildings?
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This may be relevant for contact in Queensland at unknown dates:
"The Legend of Gympie (or alternatively "The Legend of the Yellow Stone") was first recorded nearly 150 years ago (c.185 through contact with the ancient Ka’bi Kgai'ya, Ka’bi Kgu'li and Ka’bi Kgu'thari clans of the central Mary River Valley region centred on Gympie City in S. E. Queensland long before full European settlement of the area took place. At the time, remote station settlements had already begun to make inroads upon the age-old native cultures and explorers of opportunity roamed the area.
This legendary story was originally recorded in the native language according to ancient clan law with the permission of the Nga'tja-guru (Spiritual Teachers/Clever Ones/Elder Men). It is possibly the oldest Aboriginal legend fully documented in Queensland – perhaps Australia. The Nga'tja (Storytellers) of the three major clans explained the complete story during a three day (3-5 February 185 Yau'ar-war'rai (song and dance gathering) at the junction of the waterholes of Kgim'pbi (now called Pie and Eel Creeks) where they join the Mary River north of Gympie City today. The site was also a special initiation Dhur (celebration ring) location.
The ancient story begins as: (in brief):
"A long time ago at the beginning of the fifth time, the Sun God had two grandsons by his favourite son Yindingi. They were Kgippandingi and Yuludara. Their constant bickering and arguments became intolerable. The Sun God had to look after them - Yindingi had long gone from the sky. There came a time when he had had enough. He consulted with the Moon Goddess as to what he should do.
They decided to send them down to Earth and have their own territories of ten peoples each. Peace reigned between the two grandsons for a very long time. As time went by, Kgippandingi the fierce warrior became more arrogant. He built the great houses made of stone reaching towards the sky. The place was called Dhumarinda - the Place of the Cruel People. Here the mysterious Star People waited with Kgippandingi for his return to the sky with the Sun God one day with all his mighty warriors."
The complex story goes on to tell of how the evil Kgippandingi destroyed his brother Yuludara as he conquered the lands and the peoples; how they both rose up into the sky where there was a great battle in the sky which had devastating results upon the Earth and the peoples there.
Great earthquakes, rising seas and fire from the sky covered the lands, destroying the place of the great stone houses. Kgippandingi and Yuludara were finally destroyed. The Sun God sent his messengers - the little people - from the stars to the Earth to save those peoples left. New laws were made and the new families spread out across the lands.
The remains of Kgippandingi became nuggets of gold guarded by the evil guardian spirit - the stinging Gimpi-Gimpi jungle tree. The golden Silky Oak tree was created to remind everyone of the evil deeds of the past. Yuludara the happy spirit became the dolphin guardian of all animals large and small, flowers and trees, and all flying creatures in the new paradise created by the Gods of the sky."
Gold was not discovered by Europeans until 11 years later, 1867.
It's possible that "cruel people" arrived and forced the locals to dig for the gold which was evident on the surface. "Nga'tja guru" is similar to Hindu "naga guru" holy men. Yendingie is the sky-spirit who made mountains and Fraser Island nearby, with help from the "shining white sky-woman" Gurree. Gauri is the shining white snow-born wife of Shiva sun-god of Hindus.
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Funny how they refer to the fifth time just like the mayas acknowledge several different ages - all of which were destroyed by cataclysms. it sounds like that one ended in a cataclysm too - pole shift?
But before it, there were great stone buildings... pyramids?
maybe there's still a few traces of these buildings somewhere in Australia today? Why are there rumours that the australian government bulldozed pyramids and pushed one into the sea? Why all the persistent rumours if nothing happened. (ever notice the top of parliament house in canberra is shaped like a pyramid?)
I think that if the egyptians or phonecians got down this far (which no doubt they did), there should be some big buildings somewhere.
Also interesting - (on another topic), i read at least one ancient text plus Heroditus i think, says that the great pyramid was built before the flood by King Surid? or something like that. Funny that Graham Hancock found its base alignment of three main pyramids to match up with the orion constellation (i think that's what he said), in about 10,000 ish B.C. And Plato says the flood that sank atlantis was in around 9000 B.C. If Plato is right, (and the source of his info was egyptian priests, who recorded everything for millenia) and Heroditus etc is right (why wouldn't he be?) then pyramid built before the flood.
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Tiompan, re: ancient legends. What gets me is how consistent they actually all are. If they're the product of these people's imaginations, then they weren't very creative cuz they all seemed to come up with the same thing. Wheras i might imagine the world being created by rainbow fairies or a giant panda bear, they have fixed on 'gods' who came from the stars in every case. Gods who travelled in noisy flying machines, accompanied by thunder and smoke, Gods who all seemed to wear helmet like apparatus' on their heads (which they drew on caves, time and again); often had strange looking bug eyes (again which they made pottery images of); and in every case taught the people technology and the rudiments of civilization, then handed them secret knowledge to pass on to future generations. These are what ALL the legends say, again and again. They do not talk about for example, rainbow fairies painting everything into existance..
What else do ALL the legends say: they say there was a great mother goddess, who came from the stars, and gave birth to humans... and all over the world, we come across statues of this mother goddess, and her cult - associated with the womb and embryo, etc.
ALL the legends also talk of previous ages of the earth; of past cataclysmic events destroying the earth (and future ones coming); and of giants.
Why were they all having the same delusions? Couldn't they have been a bit more original? And paleolithic humans (acc to mainstream theory) did not travel much. So why the EXACT same stories again and again and again. And why is it a good idea to ignore them, and assume they just invented these stories, and that they don't refer to actual events.
Also, i for one, cannot understand what is so bizarre and unthinkable about aliens visiting our planet (now or in the past) and potentially being involved in our creation (or even the creation of planets/artificial satellites etc) if they were advanced enough. If you look up at the stars, and talk to physicists - most of them now agree there must be other intelligent beings out there. If so, why is it funny to suggest they visited our planet once or twice? (It may be scary, but why is it funny?)
Do we really still believe we are at the centre of the universe? We must be pretty important, because it's a pretty big universe, and our sun isn't even visible amongst the other stars its so insignificant, from a distance...
|If there were ancient beings, they must have left traces. What would you expect to find? Highly advanced building constructions that still dazzle us into amazement? I wonder if there are any of those on this planet?
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| Posted 26-11-2008 at 05:48
Meanwhile, back on earth.
Australian Parliament 24 Oct. 2003.
"Though located in different hemispheres and separated by high seas, the people of China and Australia enjoy a friendly exchange that dates back centuries.
The Chinese people have all along cherished amicable feelings about the Australian people.
Back in the 1420s, the expeditionary fleets of China's Ming Dynasty reached Australian shores.
For centuries, the Chinese sailed across vast seas and settled down in what they called Southern Land, or today's Australia.
They brought Chinese culture to this land and lived harmoniously with the local people, contributing their proud share to Australia's economy, society and its thriving pluralistic culture. "_Hu Jintao.
At the Gympie "pyramid" there were "stone structures" which were stripped for stone by gold-miners in 1867-80. Were these built by the "cruel people" of local legend, who may have enforced slave-labour for mining?
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Tiompan, re: ancient legends. What gets me is how consistent they actually all are. If they're the product of these people's imaginations, then they weren't very creative cuz they all seemed to come up with the same thing. Wheras i might imagine the world being created by rainbow fairies or a giant panda bear, they have fixed on 'gods' who came from the stars in every case. Gods who travelled in noisy flying machines, accompanied by thunder and smoke, Gods who all seemed to wear helmet like apparatus' on their heads (which they drew on caves, time and again); often had strange looking bug eyes (again which they made pottery images of); and in every case taught the people technology and the rudiments of civilization, then handed them secret knowledge to pass on to future generations. These are what ALL the legends say, again and again. They do not talk about for example, rainbow fairies painting everything into existance..
What else do ALL the legends say: they say there was a great mother goddess, who came from the stars, and gave birth to humans... and all over the world, we come across statues of this mother goddess, and her cult - associated with the womb and embryo, etc.
ALL the legends also talk of previous ages of the earth; of past cataclysmic events destroying the earth (and future ones coming); and of giants.
Why were they all having the same delusions? Couldn't they have been a bit more original? And paleolithic humans (acc to mainstream theory) did not travel much. So why the EXACT same stories again and again and again. And why is it a good idea to ignore them, and assume they just invented these stories, and that they don't refer to actual events.
Also, i for one, cannot understand what is so bizarre and unthinkable about aliens visiting our planet (now or in the past) and potentially being involved in our creation (or even the creation of planets/artificial satellites etc) if they were advanced enough. If you look up at the stars, and talk to physicists - most of them now agree there must be other intelligent beings out there. If so, why is it funny to suggest they visited our planet once or twice? (It may be scary, but why is it funny?)
Do we really still believe we are at the centre of the universe? We must be pretty important, because it's a pretty big universe, and our sun isn't even visible amongst the other stars its so insignificant, from a distance...
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Hello Katie , part of the reason that some myths /legends are similar is that they come from the same source , a collective human consciousness .You can't just say anything and it will become a myth or legend it has to have some consistency grounded in experience or something that could be believed e.g. talking trees , virgin birth .
Not all origin myths have a great mother or visitors from the stars although they are pretty obvious solutions to the problem of ontology .
We have found dazzling highly advanced constuctions created by ancient beings , there are possibly thousands of examples in Oz . As for Europe Picasso said of Lascaux "we have learnt nothing in 12,000 years "
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Bruce Raphael rambles on:
[Gympie pyramid: "In 1984 when I visited the site, it was overgrown in high grass, with a retaining wall still in tack, large stone bowl at the summit, artifacts and an anomalous Ape Statue that were all found on the land. Brett Green's great grandfather had first unspoiled viewing of the mound pyramid complex and kept detailed notes and drawings. When Brett received the copious files in 1974 he saw for the first time a temple court yard with unusual carvings and animal motifs and obelisk like columns. There were also entry ways into the mound. The Aboriginal clan held this site as taboo and stayed clear of the area.
Brett Green took great care from his youth to study the regional histories that involved the anthropology of Frazer Island, a key gateway for maritime journeymen seeking fresh water and access to landfall from within the coral reef. ..
Could the Aboriginal stories talking about 'strange gods' who dug for the 'yellow stone' and 'cooked tree leaves' (eucalypt) have any connection to the Chinese fleets' arrival on these shores?..
In the early years of research Marilyn Pye, suggested that there were some features of the Gympie Pyramid complex that had South American features, namely the original sandstone-wall that was numbered and re-erected around the Unitarian Church originally came from the mound site. "
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i dont see what racism has to do with historical facts. if a certain people visited a country in antiquity and this was recalled in a legend by the indigenous people, then its a fact, not racism.
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also i think archaeologists are very mistaken not to look for important clues in myths and legends. most oral traditions do pass on information for a very long period of time - like the indian vedas. why go to the trouble if the info wasnt important?
myths arising from 'collective consciousness' is just psychobabble twaddle. myths arise from collective experience. something happened. that's why the myths are all broadly the same when they talk about flying chariots and gods from the stars and giants.
and floods.
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also i think archaeologists are very mistaken not to look for important clues in myths and legends. most oral traditions do pass on information for a very long period of time - like the indian vedas. why go to the trouble if the info wasnt important?
myths arising from 'collective consciousness' is just psychobabble twaddle. myths arise from collective experience. something happened. that's why the myths are all broadly the same when they talk about flying chariots and gods from the stars and giants.
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Katie , whu don't you google "myth " to see what it means ? then have a look at some of the great myths from Egypt , Assyria/Babylon , Greece , Rome ,China ,Japan , Persia Africa , Austarlia ,the Americas , my local collection usually referred to as Celtic etc you will find the majority of the myths unbelievable even for a " mysteries " devotee .
From another post ,if you don't believe that this site
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the site may be racist, thats not the point. if there really was a race of ancient people who were white, then that's a fact. if people want to write things based on this fact that are racist, then that's different.
i am interested in uncovering facts. if i have to look at a racist site because something on it is relevant, then i will look at it. that does not make me racist. i have looked at plenty of other sites which are not racist. the main thing is facts.
i stumbled across many sites that talk about caucasian mummies found in china, in the canary islands, in peru etc. none of these sites were racist. the idea isn't racist because facts cant be racist.
raising the whole issue of racism is just sidelining a discussion about something that should be very important to the history of archaeology. the mummies have been found. that is a fact. i'm more interesting in an explanation of that fact, from archaeologists, than in speculations about whether or not i am racist.
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| Posted 25-02-2009 at 06:45
and i can tell you that left to its own devices, my conciousness wouldnt invent the story of noah's ark in full detail - regardless of where in the world i was living. and i seriously doubt many other peoples' consciousness would come up with that story either.
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