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copine

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| Posted 10-11-2008 at 03:32  
site identification needed ,,, five large stoneage sites,,,definit configuations,,some reserch already done by me,,approxamate age 8000 yrs + (non aboriginal artifacts) ,,,no tire kicker`s please . location far nt queensland australia,,contact me with any real help ,,thnks,,copine
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chimera

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| Posted 10-11-2008 at 05:50  
Gooday Copine,
Sounds interesting, hope it's not Rex Gilroy and Sarina wharf of Phoenicians. How did you get 8000 yrs? There are stories of coins in N Qld. It's interesting that E coast Aboriginals there have large sharp wooden swords which look too clumsy to be natural culture.
Drop a few clues.
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Katie222

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| Posted 11-11-2008 at 02:27  
Hi Copine, can you post any pics so the rest of us can see them?
Also, what sort of non-aboriginal artifacts are they?
And are there any constructions - if so, made of what?/what do they look like?
Would be interested to hear more
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Katie222

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| Posted 11-11-2008 at 02:29  
Btw, chimera, is it impossible that either the egyptians or phoenicians travelled as far as australia or america? I can't see why it would be.
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chimera

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| Posted 11-11-2008 at 04:48  
It almost certainly happened and there is no proof. And there are many boat people, such as Libyans, Ethiopians, Kenyans, Indians, Chinese, Irish, Oxon etc etc.
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copine

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| Posted 11-11-2008 at 12:24  
g`day everyone,sorry about the wait ,..had to count the flys...i`d like to say firstly to the curious,this is the only forum iam posted on.i would also like to add ,that there are those in this country,historian`s,legislature`s., christian based organisations.and old political belife ,,,ect.ect that have a vested intrest in keeping certain pre-white history of australia ,predominantly aboriginal.the information that i have gathered over the last 30 years will take me some time to reveal.however ,over the comming weeks i will give you all a clearer picture of my investigations .like i said in previous post i would appreciate some help in positive identifications of said sites.and this would include ,on site, manual evaluation,,,carbon dating on animal bones (buchered) that i had found in 2001 in an old well that had been exposed after heavy rains,in deep rainforrest.
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copine

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| Posted 11-11-2008 at 13:05  
previous post cont. anyhoo,the bones ,tested at the ,centre for arcaeoligyand ancient history,monash university ,the results of that test revealed ,it was approx 7500yearsold ,it also had obvious signs of human interference ,was of some bread of large rodent type animal that roamed the area uptill about 2000 yrs ago,,anyway trouble is ,aboriginals never made stone anything up in these parts ,cept for the odd stone axe or grinding tools,let alone a reasonably complex well ....made of large stones weighting more than 100kls ,iwill be explaning more and showing some pictures later that should lay to rest any reservations about this information .some other small stones that i got from the well so far,are also being tested at university of queensland ,applied sciences, results of which i am yet to be furnish with p.s no rex gillroys here,dont like to fool myself oranyone else..cheers..
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tiompan

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| Posted 11-11-2008 at 13:09  
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On 2008-11-11 12:24, copine wrote:
g`day everyone,sorry about the wait ,..had to count the flys...i`d like to say firstly to the curious,this is the only forum iam posted on.i would also like to add ,that there are those in this country,historian`s,legislature`s., christian based organisations.and old political belife ,,,ect.ect that have a vested intrest in keeping certain pre-white history of australia ,predominantly aboriginal.the information that i have gathered over the last 30 years will take me some time to reveal.however ,over the comming weeks i will give you all a clearer picture of my investigations .like i said in previous post i would appreciate some help in positive identifications of said sites.and this would include ,on site, manual evaluation,,,carbon dating on animal bones (buchered) that i had found in 2001 in an old well that had been exposed after heavy rains,in deep rainforrest.
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Hello Copine , are you suggesting that your sites are non-aboriginal ?
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copine

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| Posted 12-11-2008 at 01:26  
nt queensland cont. aboriginal populations in nt queensland were a generally nomadiic people.very similar to the african planes peoples,existing today ,.there have been no knowen stone buildings in austalia that have been identified as being of aboriginal construction,,ever.!! mostly caves and rock overhangs were used for perminent shelter .bark and grass "gunyas"were used in the more open country,which were quickly assimilated into the enviroment.after use.far nt queensland coastal "murries"were of melanesian decent.while the aboriginals of western australia were of african and east indian decent. west aust. people approx.40-60000 years ago ,far nt queensland nativesapprox 2000 years.two non natives spear heads i have are made from a volcanic glassnot found around here they were found at the well site and are not of any local coastal or inland natives items.nere to all these localls is one of the larges gold and mineral reserves on the planet .the area has recently been given back to traditional native caretakers.p.s sorry havin trouble uploading pictures.will get it sorted soon.thnks
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Katie222

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| Posted 12-11-2008 at 03:59  
Copine, it sounds really interesting. Would love to see a photo of the well, or any other stone structures? that you found
Whereabouts in nt queensland was it?
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chimera

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| Posted 12-11-2008 at 07:55  
q.1.Why are you asking poms for manual assistance there?
2. How do you "test rocks" and for what?
3. Is it really a well in deep rainforest , exposed after "heavy rains"? Do you mean "mine-shaft"?
4. Are you at Palmer River, of the Rex Gilroy Range?
5. Did you know Egyptians had eucalyptus oil in mummy-wrappings?
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copine

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| Posted 12-11-2008 at 08:47  
hopefully when i get these bloody photos uploaded ,it may explain or unexplain the info.reminding yourselves that at no time have i sugested any particular race of people had built the various structures,only that i have ruled out the local native populis though information allready gained though anthropological studies well documented for this area .sure ,there are plenty of bullshit stories relating to this and many other "anomalies" up here most of which can be explained by the local population.as for rex gillroy and his ilk ,,,what can i say ,their bloody delusional .reasons to ask the poms should be obvious "they havent been burned by the "sole race"historical records and boundless "stories" of aboriginal dream time ,fresh minds fresh ideas, as i said in previous post,the particular species of animal sugestid that the stones were small gut stones ejected from the offal when ,perhaps, it was thrown into the well,these then need to be positively identified ,they happen to have specimins.plenty of items still need to tested in various ways to rule out recent history .this cost me a lot of my cash and time and a lot knowledge i dont have ,hence "helpwanted"pls hang for pics and evaluation docs., thnks
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On 2008-11-12 08:47, copine wrote:
hopefully when i get these bloody photos uploaded ,it may explain or unexplain the info.reminding yourselves that at no time have i sugested any particular race of people had built the various structures,only that i have ruled out the local native populis though information allready gained though anthropological studies well documented for this area .sure ,there are plenty of bullshit stories relating to this and many other "anomalies" up here most of which can be explained by the local population.as for rex gillroy and his ilk ,,,what can i say ,their bloody delusional .reasons to ask the poms should be obvious "they havent been burned by the "sole race"historical records and boundless "stories" of aboriginal dream time ,fresh minds fresh ideas, as i said in previous post,the particular species of animal sugestid that the stones were small gut stones ejected from the offal when ,perhaps, it was thrown into the well,these then need to be positively identified ,they happen to have specimins.plenty of items still need to tested in various ways to rule out recent history .this cost me a lot of my cash and time and a lot knowledge i dont have ,hence "helpwanted"pls hang for pics and evaluation docs., thnks
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If it turns out to be a stone built 8000 year old structure and local archaeos don't believe aborigines built anything like it , isn't the most likely and most parsimonious explanation that the archaeos are wrong and aborigines did build it ?
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copine

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| Posted 13-11-2008 at 03:16  
hello everyone,,.the sites that i will be referring to have never been tested by anyone in the respected archealogical fields.they are only known to myself,my dad and a handfull of close family friends,the areas that have been covered finding locations is vast ,an area of land stretching from the the far north eastern coastline to westrn tablelands and southwestern planes, an area approxamatly 30.000 square kilometers ,crisscrossed by remote mining and pastoral roads reaching hundreds of miles distant ,intermingled in this laberinth are ares impassable by any mode of transport ..including horses..!!the inception of google earth has made it now possible to find travel to and record and process information relating to the sites we`ve discovered before google earth..tried to send one pic of google earth veiw of a large location high on the western tablelands to andy ,b.dont know if it worked,,!!! anyway the view has or should have coordinates at the bottom .this is one of those sites that has never been associated with any historical ivestigation,,gota go now ,,more to come ,,cheers copine,,
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copine

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| Posted 13-11-2008 at 03:51  
anthropologist have studied ancient aboriginal history inthis country for two centuries and have amassed an amazing pool of phiscal artifacts ,stone glyphs, rock circles"bora grounds"[,and many areas of ancient rock art in every corner of the country however no evidence ,ancient or recent sugesting the construction of complex stone buildings,end quote,,,if it were the case ,that the native population were responsible for ancient stone structures ,,wouldent it be that when lt james cook discovered the eastcoast of australia ,would he not have beeb greeted with a nation similar to that of east india in the 1800`s,,,?????quote]
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On 2008-11-12 08:47, copine wrote:
hopefully when i get these bloody photos uploaded ,it may explain or unexplain the info.reminding yourselves that at no time have i sugested any particular race of people had built the various structures,only that i have ruled out the local native populis though information allready gained though anthropological studies well documented for this area .sure ,there are plenty of bullshit stories relating to this and many other "anomalies" up here most of which can be explained by the local population.as for rex gillroy and his ilk ,,,what can i say ,their bloody delusional .reasons to ask the poms should be obvious "they havent been burned by the "sole race"historical records and boundless "stories" of aboriginal dream time ,fresh minds fresh ideas, as i said in previous post,the particular species of animal sugestid that the stones were small gut stones ejected from the offal when ,perhaps, it was thrown into the well,these then need to be positively identified ,they happen to have specimins.plenty of items still need to tested in various ways to rule out recent history .this cost me a lot of my cash and time and a lot knowledge i dont have ,hence "helpwanted"pls hang for pics and evaluation docs., thnks
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If it turns out to be a stone built 8000 year old structure and local archaeos don't believe aborigines built anything like it , isn't the most likely and most parsimonious explanation that the archaeos are wrong and aborigines did build it ?
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Katie222

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| Posted 13-11-2008 at 04:26  
Hi Copine, are you able to give the google co ordinates to the site you were talking about? (I'd love to check it out). I'm in Australia - would love to help out, but not a qualified archaeologist yet.
Re: Chimera - yep, they also found boomerangs in egyptian tombs.
Re: whether the aborigines built it - what do their own legends say? and if they say they didn't build it, why should we dismiss them? No doubt they would know something about the stuff. The stuff in NZ is said by the maoris to pre-date them acc. to a website i found somewhere. Think a book has also been written about hte stuff in NZ - i just googled it.
Typically with this type of stuff in places like the pacific, the locals talk of a race (usually white skinned) that preceded them and built things - in some cases they conquered or drove this race out.
(from what i've read)
re: my post on the stones forum re: australian pyramids - had another look at htem - on the rollnzoom site it says they're in gympie (and there is allegedly a pyramid at gympie acc. to local tradition), but when i went on google earth they're down in south australia - about 7 of them, maybe more. If you approach horizontally the elevation is almost flat, which is odd, because when you see them from above they look like they should be tall. Some of them are smudgy resolution. I would love to go and check them out but looks pretty inaccessible area...
I was thinking, could they be abandoned mines? but i don't think mines would have such perfect square shapes, however am going to check up on this. Seems like they're artificial from the angles and straight lines.
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| Posted 13-11-2008 at 06:26  
The "Bradshaw" art is said by Aboriginals to be from another people. There are 2 ethnic types at Kow Swamp burials, the robust and gracile. Coastal N Qld. would be a likely place for shipwrecks with coral reefs and cyclones, and the Torres Strait passage to the Pacific.
Kicking car-tyres: the small stones from the rodent may relate to Eastern Pebble-Mound Mouse, which piles stones at its nest, possibly for insulation, collect dew to drink, scent for mates. It was thought extinct, then was found at Charters Towers and Townsville. How would rodent bones survive for zonks in a wet rainforest?
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| Posted 13-11-2008 at 07:52  
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On 2008-11-13 04:26, Katie222 wrote:
Hi Copine, are you able to give the google co ordinates to the site you were talking about? (I'd love to check it out). I'm in Australia - would love to help out, but not a qualified archaeologist yet.
Re: Chimera - yep, they also found boomerangs in egyptian tombs.
Re: whether the aborigines built it - what do their own legends say? and if they say they didn't build it, why should we dismiss them? No doubt they would know something about the stuff. The stuff in NZ is said by the maoris to pre-date them acc. to a website i found somewhere. Think a book has also been written about hte stuff in NZ - i just googled it.
Typically with this type of stuff in places like the pacific, the locals talk of a race (usually white skinned) that preceded them and built things - in some cases they conquered or drove this race out.
(from what i've read)
re: my post on the stones forum re: australian pyramids - had another look at htem - on the rollnzoom site it says they're in gympie (and there is allegedly a pyramid at gympie acc. to local tradition), but when i went on google earth they're down in south australia - about 7 of them, maybe more. If you approach horizontally the elevation is almost flat, which is odd, because when you see them from above they look like they should be tall. Some of them are smudgy resolution. I would love to go and check them out but looks pretty inaccessible area...
I was thinking, could they be abandoned mines? but i don't think mines would have such perfect square shapes, however am going to check up on this. Seems like they're artificial from the angles and straight lines.
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Sometimes legends have a basis in fact ,sometimes not .Archaeos don't usually trust the early history books or ethnography ,with good reason . I wouldn't take on trust any cultures talk of their history from 8,000 years ago plus there does seem to be a racist element in NZ and Oz that would love to have a pre aboriginal white settlement , "Dreamtime " perhaps applies to their attitude .
Good to see that you now consider that pyramids can best be judged from the ground not the air .
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| Posted 13-11-2008 at 10:51  
Where lakes had plentiful fish and ducks, Aboriginals built stone huts and smoked fish for trade. um. put fish in smoking ovens.
They had micro-flint sickles and harvested grass which they stooked to dry before winnowing. They built stone tanks in which they sat with burning grass, so the smoke attracted raptor birds to seek prey, which were seized when they alighted on the tank "roof". So stone work was known, and sea traffic joined various local cultures from the islands.
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Andy B

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| Posted 13-11-2008 at 13:22  
Copine, the best way to add pictures is to add the sites to our database first, then we can plot them on the map and people can look them up on Flash Earth etc. This is what we exist to do
http://www.megalithic.co.uk/submitsite.php
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