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chimera
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|  Posted 21-11-2008 at 21:23
"IF the earth was like the moon and did not spin".
Your unwarranted attack on my detailed study which has undeniable substance, has no mathematical basis. The Earth-Moon Corollary Hypothesis clearly proves that a fixed hemisphere always faces the Sun. All your arguments are futile and go into the rubbish bin of history.
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| Posted 28-11-2008 at 22:11
Yeah; here you are!! Well; "samiska nċjdar" (Lappian shamans) are still living and working in Lappland, Sweden. Therefore shamans are not so exotic for us here. They are working within small human groups - strictly defined teritorially and in terms of kinship. The end result is harmonious functioning of the small "whole", they are entrusted with. And they know everything, what is needed for their task, about their small homelands.
There are some "civilized" half- shamans around, too, who are not "encompassing" a specific community and territory but are dealing with personal problems of people around. And their results are such as their bond to the land. Losing scriptures is of a little consequence to the SHAMANIC KNOWLEDGE. Even disruption of the line of masters doesn`t matter. These are the invisible genii loci, who are choosing out a new apprentice and are leading him along the paths of gnosis. Shamanic masters are good in arranging traps, obstacles, competitions, etc. - to speed up the progress of a pupil and to reform his psyche. But the crucial for the latter is developing his own connection to the spirits of nature.
If you read Rigveda several times, you`d find some characteristic faults and repetitions. It seems that to stay on a safe ground, writers had registered all inherited disparate traditions they could get together. There`s no such thing like one classic approved tradition. Some shamans use to account jokingly for this in the following way: - "Each one of us was occupying a different place around the Center, when the Cosmos was about to emerge." In this way they are boasting to be those primaeval, original ones...
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| Posted 29-11-2008 at 01:01
The RigVeda was composed by members of a megalith community who each posted their opinions and argued with dowsers.
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vlad
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| Posted 29-11-2008 at 12:35
OK, chimera. Maybe Rig-Veda would do for some but reading it doesn`t solve any real problems out there. In your outback, there are some white people, who know how to cooperate with Aboriginal initiates when placing settlements in a landscape, dividing them into lots and placing houses in them. After new people have moved in, such an Aboriginal guy executes "harmonization" of the whole new home to the old "Self" of the land. So far from your own yard.
In Island, road builders consult with local wise guys the course of a future road and necessity of removing some "special" stones aside. Yes... in Island, NOT IRELAND. Is it not a shame; Ireland has the richest "megalithic" lore in the world but it seems that nobody from local decidents ever tried to take a look at it. And if even most competent scientists dare to publish books, where the title goes "The Superstitions of..." instead "The Traditions of..." - the picture is complete. During last centuries, Irish minds have been reformed to hate their own heritage!?
Now, if some people with such minds are asking questions, serving cut-and-clear answers is not possible. To understand answers, you should first do some basic homework studying your own ancient lore. Some fieldwork would help too but not based on rolling stones here and there, cursing your heavy allotment. Try to feel your own personal psychic connection to those stones and when you do, you`ll get your individual answer.
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BERNARDQUATERMASS
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|  Posted 29-11-2008 at 13:05
Vlad writes...........
"" During last centuries, Irish minds have been reformed to hate their own heritage. ""
I think you'll find that the Irish were forced, at bayonet point, to abandon their heritage. Much like the Scottish Highlanders.
Thankfully there is a growing awakening these days. Witness the furore over the road building at Tara.
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| Posted 29-11-2008 at 13:21
But what about "Stockholm syndrome"; captured people begin to love or at least admire the mighty foreigners and hate their own feeble folk. Most of people would perhaps have got used to those ways of feeling, after some time.
BTW The construction of a road across Tara area continues, despite your hopes. And the Hill of Allen (Sidh Almhuin) - original home of Fionn MacCumhaill and his Fianna, is still exploited for gravel for more such roads. See the action group under -
http://www.hillofallen.ie/campaign.htm
Now this is what I call an Irish self-destruction instinct. This was the "new Fianna", who set Ireland free last century but those noble minds are already dead. Well; why not building a new highway directly through Kings`Hills of Old Uppsala, Sweden or the Hill of the legendary king Lech with its cathedral in Gniezno, Poland. Strangely; in those countries it`s out of the question.
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| Posted 29-11-2008 at 14:14
But the ancient myths and legends live on.
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| Posted 29-11-2008 at 16:40
It`s the possibility of a direct bodily and psychic contact with the "mythical reality" of a place, which is going to be lost. Have you ever read Mircea Eliade`s "The Myth of Eternal Return"!? What if Finn MacCumhaill or King Arthur actually return and demand to walk around old beloved Sidh Almhuin or Camelot!?
In the meantime, we could walk there, to take part in their potential existence once in a while!? At the Hill of Allen, the place called Finn`s Chair hangs nowadays up in the thin air. We are now supposed to apply first for admittance at the owner`s office and then hire a crane to lift us those 30-50 metres up, just to have a possibility of meditating at this unique place, which has been lost for Irishmen and the rest of humanity.
If you viewed some films from protest actions at Tara, you`d get confirmation that such proper people like you don`t take part in it. It sometimes looked like once those crowds of defenceless druids placing themselves in the way of Roman legions to warn a sacred place of theirs. And you would want that those poor emotionally confused people were fighting to save this place intact for you!?
Myths and traditions are about places and their psychic aura, with which some of us would like to coalesce that of ours, now and then. If a place is called Finn`s or Arthur`s Seat, it means that you can be like him for a short while, when sitting there. No myths read in a book can supply such a psychic experience.
I`m not sure , if the collective "Self" of Ireland will thrive if it`s left at the mercy of gravel traders, bulldozer drivers and ignorant planners. But druids are gone and there`s nobody left to care about the spiritual common good!?
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I`m not sure , if the collective "Self" of Ireland will prosper if it`s left at the mercy of gravel traders, bulldozer drivers and ignorant planners.
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And the not so ignorant ones too Vlad. Like the christian church builders for example.
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| Posted 29-11-2008 at 19:41
How much lost knowledge rediscovery is coincidence.
I make no pretence at having any powers...but I have "scared" a good few people with seeming,for want of a better word,insight.
An example...at a barbecue in the summertime(a rare good weather night)...a guest lost her wedding ring...another guest asked if she could dowse for it,with no luck..but sitting nursing a beer and surveying the garden...I walked up and found the ring(by recalling where the lady had been playing with her young daughter).No special powers just years of reading Enid Blyton and Conan-Doyle....I mentally reconstructed the movements of the lady and went to the most likely spot...of course everyone was highly impressed....the "dowser" said I had a latent talent,to which I countered,"Yes...for working out the bleeding obvious!"
A lot of charlatans have preyed on the beliefs of people by doing just that over the years and claiming a gift.Perhaps some ancients too put 2 and 2 together and come up with 4 after a mighty flourish making it look like 5 just to be granted a special status...again only a theory!!!
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| Posted 29-11-2008 at 20:18
If You had never been taught numbers , or how to count, would you utilise your hands for counting?
If Yes, what would you percieve when looking at your hands?
Remember You have no knowledge of numbers or any such ideas.
What would you instincetively do and why?
If No, what other method may you employ to keep count of time, or how many children You had?
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On 2008-11-29 19:41, AlbertResonox wrote:
I make no pretence at having any powers...but I have "scared" a good few people with seeming,for want of a better word,insight.
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LOL Me too Albert! When I'm in the mood, (usually up the pub with a couple of puffs inside me and feeling a tad mischievous ) I tell folk about the 'Cold shiver', what it means to have one.
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| Posted 29-11-2008 at 21:31
Mikecroley,
"With a couple of puffs inside me"
I am surprised you can talk?
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On 2008-11-29 20:18, cropredy wrote:
If You had never been taught numbers , or how to count, would you utilise your hands for counting?
If Yes, what would you percieve when looking at your hands?
Remember You have no knowledge of numbers or any such ideas.
What would you instincetively do and why?
If No, what other method may you employ to keep count of time, or how many children You had?
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If that reply was aimed at me Kevin....I've no idea what it means...instinctively,intuitionally or from a psychic viewpoint...
Mike C...I did understand your reply..without the double entendre that Kevin delighted in(strangely enough for a man who eschews the written word)...I don't partake of anything stronger than alcohol myself...but I do avoid the parlour tricks in pubs...too many possibilities(for error as well as correct "insights")and too many people who could take umbrage....it limits the chances of a smack in the chops.
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... Consider your average Neolithic tribe. The shaman....
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Was there a shaman before anthropologists invented the term? It is never a self-referential occupation in another culture (Hi, I'm the shaman.), albeit it has become a self-reverential neo-moderism (Hi, I'm a shaman).
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| Posted 30-11-2008 at 03:11
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Defined as ..... "acts as a medium between the visible world and an invisible spirit world and who practices magic or sorcery for purposes of healing, divination, and control over natural events."
On that basis, they're everywhere..... churches, fairgrounds, forums....
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| Posted 30-11-2008 at 08:28
Archaeo; suppose that at the "beginning", everyone basically could do all this, what chyknel quoted as coming into a definition of a shaman. But after some time it came out that some were better at divination and others at composing incantations. Still others preferred to stay away from those INTUITIVE TECHNIQUES and began to pay for such services in case of a need.
Calling an intuitive practitioner with a peculiar name is IMO not so important. You can describe an Andean ayahuasca specialist with the name "SHAMAN", why not. From being a term used exclusively among Siberian people, it`s been transformed into a general description of similar intuitive specialists working all over the Earth. But when describing them one by one, we still use local names.
First problem, which outsiders encounter, when trying to understand shamanism - it`s that it has little to do with reasoning. Some old books can facilitate a feeling-in into the specifics of an intuition process. One of them is Tao te-ching of Lao-tsy. I`ve paid attention to this FLOWING with the STREAM as a general style of behaviour. You can pick from it something else, which turns out as useful for you. Did we reasoned, when doing our choices!? I suppose not. We simply assessed intuitively what a piece of information from this book could further build up our selves at a current stage.
And if you have problems with charlatans, it`s your own fault. The beginning of the problem is your flight from your self. Just do the intuitive work yourself and you`ll have no need to engage specialists, who allienate you from You.
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| Posted 30-11-2008 at 09:18
Ancient sites must be preserved. But for spiritual power, other places may speak more clearly to many people:
Jia Ren: World Heritage Site - Hiroshima Peace Memorial
http://jiaren777.blogspot.com/2006/06/world-heritage-site-hiroshima-peace.html - 30k - Cached - Similar pages
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On 2008-11-29 22:45, AlbertResonox wrote:
..but I do avoid the parlour tricks in pubs...too many possibilities(for error as well as correct "insights")and too many people who could take umbrage....it limits the chances of a smack in the chops.
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It appears your fears far out weigh your magical abilities Albert!
"I've learnt over the years, that the Spirit world puts people on my path who carry insights for me, and I for them".
That's usually my opening line Albert, and I've not gone home with a bloody nose yet.
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| Posted 30-11-2008 at 18:11
According to "The Mind in the Cave" by D Lewis-Williams (I've finally found a copy), shaman is a term derived from the Tungus language of central Asia and some researchers think it should be restricted in use to it's communities of origin.
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